M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'd be pretty surprised if bozo ever got confused about what his team's actions meant. I hard townread bozo again.

I'd like to understand this fully.

(a) Is there some place in the thread where Bozo betrayed some confusion about the mechanics of mafia roles? Or, (b) are you speculating that because it seems like mafia may have been disrupted by some rule confusion -- based on Jamiet's statement expressing frustration -- that Bozo is unlikely to be on the mafia team?

[Fluminator]

Balki!
Why did you still scumread HB after day 2. Was the notes list he posted not convincing to you?

[ghug]

I'd be pretty surprised if bozo ever got confused about what his team's actions meant. I hard townread bozo again.

I'd like to understand this fully.

(a) Is there some place in the thread where Bozo betrayed some confusion about the mechanics of mafia roles? Or, (b) are you speculating that because it seems like mafia may have been disrupted by some rule confusion -- based on Jamiet's statement expressing frustration -- that Bozo is unlikely to be on the mafia team?

b, though I want to be clear that it's Jamie's frustration combined with the strange night actions.

[Fluminator]

Also ghug has posted so much, the bot output limit is broken on his iso rip

[Fluminator]

ghug you missed a question last page

[Fluminator]

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[ghug]

ghug which final reads of Durga's did you hate?

Townie?
Aaro - he's having fun and was v excited when i said i caught two scum, interactions with BUnny were not awkward as they would be if s v s

Vecna - very solvey straight from the get go, feel good about this one. 95% sure he's town

kgray - town just based on how she interacted with teacon, and i think her being ok with getting ND even if she didn't find him scummy is a thing town does more than scum. Scum like to justify their reads, and ND is an easy town read who wrecked havoc in the thread. Bunny also tried to trigger her saying ND wasn't wrong about her so like... Yeah. Pretty certain this one is t o w n. also ppl who were in the game where they were scum together last should do a comparison

Flum - Foxcastle syndrome

Null

celaph - felt townie early on but bunny was the one who asked him the quicktopic q and i don't really see anything outstanding on the reread

Hellenic Riot - I usually ping him as town p fast but haven't felt that way this game. I think the whole emc thing was faaaake. Could be scum. Pressure him more.

ghug - Hard for me to read this one. Isn't setting off my scum vibes as much as he usually does but maybe he's just gotten better at that.

damo - who is damo?

chaqa - who is chaqa?

yoyo - please replace he is worthless but he did ping me as town when he was posting.

Scum:

Balki - Maybe, see my other posts

Maniac - Someone go back and read his weird ass d1 vote on me. If he claims he didn't read the thread that's fucking garbage because he actually engaged a lot in d1. I didn't see him come up with any reads, which is weeeird.

bozotheclown - not exactly the town bozo I know and love. very much unenthusiastic. he's doing the tunnel thing on flum that he did as scum on... I can't even remember who he did it on. v ingenuine imo

Bonatogether - if there is a scum in the newbie batch i think it's likely to be him. Some weird defending from Bunny of bona but could just be him trying to pocket a town newb.

aaro - I disagree but fine
kgray - agree, but she townreads her for wanting ND dead for his being ND, but not me, which is frustrating and entirely a function of her being too paranoid about me
Flum - A+ troll, don't love the townread

celaph - fine
HR - fine
ghug - annoying to null read me at this point
damo - same
Chaqa - same
Yoyo - fine

Balki - disagree but I see her point
Maniac - I'd probably scumread her for this read. It's so lazy.
Bozo - disagree but I see her point
Bona - strongly disagree

[Fluminator]

Balki, last game we played together, we got destroyed by the mafia pretty good. I'm curious if you learned anything from that game and have applied it to your play in these future games.

[ghug]

ghug you missed a question last page

I saw it but Balki's was quicker.

I was gonna finish writing it up and then post it conditionally on your telling me why you asked, but I forgot, so you're obligated to tell me why you asked.

[Fluminator]

ghug which final reads of Durga's did you hate?

Townie?
Aaro - he's having fun and was v excited when i said i caught two scum, interactions with BUnny were not awkward as they would be if s v s

Vecna - very solvey straight from the get go, feel good about this one. 95% sure he's town

kgray - town just based on how she interacted with teacon, and i think her being ok with getting ND even if she didn't find him scummy is a thing town does more than scum. Scum like to justify their reads, and ND is an easy town read who wrecked havoc in the thread. Bunny also tried to trigger her saying ND wasn't wrong about her so like... Yeah. Pretty certain this one is t o w n. also ppl who were in the game where they were scum together last should do a comparison

Flum - Foxcastle syndrome

Null

celaph - felt townie early on but bunny was the one who asked him the quicktopic q and i don't really see anything outstanding on the reread

Hellenic Riot - I usually ping him as town p fast but haven't felt that way this game. I think the whole emc thing was faaaake. Could be scum. Pressure him more.

ghug - Hard for me to read this one. Isn't setting off my scum vibes as much as he usually does but maybe he's just gotten better at that.

damo - who is damo?

chaqa - who is chaqa?

yoyo - please replace he is worthless but he did ping me as town when he was posting.

Scum:

Balki - Maybe, see my other posts

Maniac - Someone go back and read his weird ass d1 vote on me. If he claims he didn't read the thread that's fucking garbage because he actually engaged a lot in d1. I didn't see him come up with any reads, which is weeeird.

bozotheclown - not exactly the town bozo I know and love. very much unenthusiastic. he's doing the tunnel thing on flum that he did as scum on... I can't even remember who he did it on. v ingenuine imo

Bonatogether - if there is a scum in the newbie batch i think it's likely to be him. Some weird defending from Bunny of bona but could just be him trying to pocket a town newb.

aaro - I disagree but fine
kgray - agree, but she townreads her for wanting ND dead for his being ND, but not me, which is frustrating and entirely a function of her being too paranoid about me
Flum - A+ troll, don't love the townread

celaph - fine
HR - fine
ghug - annoying to null read me at this point
damo - same
Chaqa - same
Yoyo - fine

Balki - disagree but I see her point
Maniac - I'd probably scumread her for this read. It's so lazy.
Bozo - disagree but I see her point
Bona - strongly disagree

So you disagree with all her scum reads, and agree with everything else except for her aaro and me townread?
I thought damo was your strongest scumread?
Why do you have so few scumreads?

[Fluminator]

ghug you missed a question last page

I saw it but Balki's was quicker.

I was gonna finish writing it up and then post it conditionally on your telling me why you asked, but I forgot, so you're obligated to tell me why you asked.

I'm trying to understand your reads. They seem to change on a dime and I'm trying to keep up to see if I can find any hints of town logic.

[ghug]

ghug which final reads of Durga's did you hate?

Townie?
Aaro - he's having fun and was v excited when i said i caught two scum, interactions with BUnny were not awkward as they would be if s v s

Vecna - very solvey straight from the get go, feel good about this one. 95% sure he's town

kgray - town just based on how she interacted with teacon, and i think her being ok with getting ND even if she didn't find him scummy is a thing town does more than scum. Scum like to justify their reads, and ND is an easy town read who wrecked havoc in the thread. Bunny also tried to trigger her saying ND wasn't wrong about her so like... Yeah. Pretty certain this one is t o w n. also ppl who were in the game where they were scum together last should do a comparison

Flum - Foxcastle syndrome

Null

celaph - felt townie early on but bunny was the one who asked him the quicktopic q and i don't really see anything outstanding on the reread

Hellenic Riot - I usually ping him as town p fast but haven't felt that way this game. I think the whole emc thing was faaaake. Could be scum. Pressure him more.

ghug - Hard for me to read this one. Isn't setting off my scum vibes as much as he usually does but maybe he's just gotten better at that.

damo - who is damo?

chaqa - who is chaqa?

yoyo - please replace he is worthless but he did ping me as town when he was posting.

Scum:

Balki - Maybe, see my other posts

Maniac - Someone go back and read his weird ass d1 vote on me. If he claims he didn't read the thread that's fucking garbage because he actually engaged a lot in d1. I didn't see him come up with any reads, which is weeeird.

bozotheclown - not exactly the town bozo I know and love. very much unenthusiastic. he's doing the tunnel thing on flum that he did as scum on... I can't even remember who he did it on. v ingenuine imo

Bonatogether - if there is a scum in the newbie batch i think it's likely to be him. Some weird defending from Bunny of bona but could just be him trying to pocket a town newb.

aaro - I disagree but fine
kgray - agree, but she townreads her for wanting ND dead for his being ND, but not me, which is frustrating and entirely a function of her being too paranoid about me
Flum - A+ troll, don't love the townread

celaph - fine
HR - fine
ghug - annoying to null read me at this point
damo - same
Chaqa - same
Yoyo - fine

Balki - disagree but I see her point
Maniac - I'd probably scumread her for this read. It's so lazy.
Bozo - disagree but I see her point
Bona - strongly disagree

So you disagree with all her scum reads, and agree with everything else except for her aaro and me townread?
I thought damo was your strongest scumread?
Why do you have so few scumreads?

The "same"s are the same as her me read. They're all annoyingly lazy null reads at this point. I townread Chaqa and scumread damo.
I kinda suck at scumreads, so I've stopped focusing on them entirely unless it's the result of some specific connection to dead scum. I feel pretty good about damo and celaph being scum by POE at this point.

ghug you missed a question last page

I saw it but Balki's was quicker.

I was gonna finish writing it up and then post it conditionally on your telling me why you asked, but I forgot, so you're obligated to tell me why you asked.

I'm trying to understand your reads. They seem to change on a dime and I'm trying to keep up to see if I can find any hints of town logic.

Since my last read list, I think I'd move you, aaro, and Vecna up a group, and swap bona with Riot. I don't think that's really turning on a dime. Where have my reads changed on a dime?

[ghug]

Hi celaph.

What are your thoughts right now?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki!
Why did you still scumread HB after day 2. Was the notes list he posted not convincing to you?

That was a little lazy, to be frank. But I also felt like Neph had an investigative report that incriminated HB, so I did not really go back and explore the read like I might have.

I read the notes. I don't know. I feel like, town or scum, if you start talking to the thread about how you have notes, you're going to have to have some notes ready to share, when asked. So, I convinced myself into thinking it was null. Since, of course, Neph had that guilty scan or tracker report, or something.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, last game we played together, we got destroyed by the mafia pretty good. I'm curious if you learned anything from that game and have applied it to your play in these future games.

I do remember that game. I'd say I haven't self reflected on my mafia process a ton since that game. But two general takeaways that I can think of:

(1) Vote analysis is not gospel. In that game, there was a very close early vote where we lynched scum, and I convinced myself that it was very unlikely there was a bus, and that dictated most of my action. I'd say that being wrong about that has relaxed my intuition that scum are going to press hard to save a teammate early in the game.

(2) This is hard. Before that game, I recall I had a pretty good streak of figuring stuff out. And so in that game, I really trusted my instincts. After missing some reads in that one, I'd say I'm a bit less sure of myself, and a bit more cautious in forming a fixed opinion. I recognize that it's easy to be wrong in this game.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'd be pretty surprised if bozo ever got confused about what his team's actions meant. I hard townread bozo again.

I'd like to understand this fully.

(a) Is there some place in the thread where Bozo betrayed some confusion about the mechanics of mafia roles? Or, (b) are you speculating that because it seems like mafia may have been disrupted by some rule confusion -- based on Jamiet's statement expressing frustration -- that Bozo is unlikely to be on the mafia team?

b, though I want to be clear that it's Jamie's frustration combined with the strange night actions.

Seems like a stretch to me. It's just -- reading so much into any one mafia team member; where anyone else on the team might have made that decision, or caused that confusion. If Bozo is mafia here, I am not sure that he is dominating the team in the way your read seems to require. I could see Jamiet, as Role Blocker, have some particular view about how the Role Block worked, and develop some frustration when his view turned out wrong. You really think that Bozo being on the team would prevent that from happening? I don't think so.

[celaph]

Hi celaph.

What are your thoughts right now?

At the moment trying to figure out how I feel about your and bona's interactions, you've read him so differently than most people the majority of the game. My gut says that it's TvT which bona look better in my book, but I'm having a really hard time getting a read on you.

[ghug]

I'd like to understand this fully.

(a) Is there some place in the thread where Bozo betrayed some confusion about the mechanics of mafia roles? Or, (b) are you speculating that because it seems like mafia may have been disrupted by some rule confusion -- based on Jamiet's statement expressing frustration -- that Bozo is unlikely to be on the mafia team?

b, though I want to be clear that it's Jamie's frustration combined with the strange night actions.

Seems like a stretch to me. It's just -- reading so much into any one mafia team member; where anyone else on the team might have made that decision, or caused that confusion. If Bozo is mafia here, I am not sure that he is dominating the team in the way your read seems to require. I could see Jamiet, as Role Blocker, have some particular view about how the Role Block worked, and develop some frustration when his view turned out wrong. You really think that Bozo being on the team would prevent that from happening? I don't think so.

I think bozo on the team asks questions of the GM until he's satisfied that he understands what's happening, whether his team has let him decide that or not. I've encountered one GM in my time playing mafia who won't answer mechanical questions, at least when asked repeatedly, and we killed him day 1. I don't think bozo's team gets surprised by how their actions go.

[ghug]

Guys, we're a quarter of the way to a million words. We've topped Moby Dick and we're well on the way to Anna Karenina. Keep it up.

[ghug]

Hi celaph.

What are your thoughts right now?

At the moment trying to figure out how I feel about your and bona's interactions, you've read him so differently than most people the majority of the game. My gut says that it's TvT which bona look better in my book, but I'm having a really hard time getting a read on you.

Why do you think Bona's town?