M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

What do you mean by safer?

Case 1:

Mad is town in KiLo. Mad makes a vote, then leaves it in. The rest of us MUST sheep her as town must vote together in KiLo.

This is a terrible way to play.

Case 2:

Mad is scum. Her voting record and posts are not a bad bet for this. In which case...it's the right vote.


Case 1, we need to vote her NOW for safety.

Case 2, we need to vote her now for scummy.

Either way, it's the safe hedge.

I have 0 belief sweet is town; I'd stake the game on it. But in case I'm wrong, he'll be useful in KiLo. Mad is lose-lose keeping her around.

Yeah, okay let's policy vote Mad when we are probably in LYLO right now.

Yes...we cannot win with her, so we must hope she's against us. It's the only possible path.

[BunnyGo]

Fine.

##unvote.

Since I'm considering scum powers...

[aarodactyl]

I’ve been saying bunny as scum since D2 but no one has pulled the trigger with me so I’ve stepped back to try to analyze the game and go on wagons I think are smart. I one again yesterday said that we should go for yoyo or a more talkative player to get more intel and instead ended on dousing. I don’t think much of what I have said has influenced anyone so I’m trying to make what I think is the right vote each round given the options people are giving

Yoyo got killed because they had the highest vote count. We didn’t kill dousing instead. I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say here

[President Eden]

bona my son please solve the game now

[sweetandcool]

wait, you fakeclaimed twice this game?

Yes. Yes he fucking did.

Yes...he fake claimed WHEN HE KNEW the following:

food COULD NOT BE TOWN if his PR claim was correct.

Yet he didn't vote food.

sweet is 100% scum. There is no doubt.

That's straight up wrong. We have three PRs plus Food is is probably Town. That leaves one PR unaccounted for.

Bunny is scumslipping by betraying the fact he KNOWS a PR is the tadpole.

[sweetandcool]

The only thing that will “unravel” if you flip me is your farcical self-image as a competent mafia player.

Eden is actually pretty nice. He's willing to resort to insults because he is scum. Because he respects the game and wants to give us the greatest challenge possible when he is Mafia. So he is happy to use emotional trickery.

Town Eden would not insult me here.

I’m reading through this squabble right now. To be perfectly honest, it’s reading as TvT. But it’s also gotten way too heated.

You’ve said something that I’ve said in past games and I always regret doing it. Which is to say “they’re scum because they wouldn’t actually be mean if they were being authentic”. I think I’ve said the variant of “you wouldn’t be this bad at the game/math if you weren’t scum”. Anyways, it’s basically a personal attack and not helping anyone.

I think you should consider the situation where eden is not scum and see who you think is scum as a result. And then maybe see if there’s overlap with the Eden = scum situation. I’m not saying he’s town (though I think he is) but I do think you’re tunneling a bit too much.

Nice try.

I respect Eden and Bunny greatly. But I know both of their scumgames and they are nakedly scumming up the thread right now.

Somehow nobody sees this. But I've seen Eden do this in M79. The man could get caught red-handed and Town won't vote him despite him being so obvious.

[BunnyGo]

Yes. Yes he fucking did.

Yes...he fake claimed WHEN HE KNEW the following:

food COULD NOT BE TOWN if his PR claim was correct.

Yet he didn't vote food.

sweet is 100% scum. There is no doubt.

That's straight up wrong. We have three PRs plus Food is is probably Town. That leaves one PR unaccounted for.

Bunny is scumslipping by betraying the fact he KNOWS a PR is the tadpole.

I'm ASSUMING the necro is a town!PR too

[worcej]

I don’t really care to fight sweet’s insufferable bullshit.

Anyone fairly reading my posts N5 can conclude that I was skeptical of Will’s lame posting around EOD but that I was not whipping anyone up to kill him. I listed him second in my initial POE stab after sweet because my POE was essentially sweet + a handful of nulls at that point. I kept working and thinking about the game and never really demoted Will from my second guess… but no one can realistically say I was pushing people to kill Will.

Anyone fairly reading the Battle Master situation would realize how batshit ridiculous it is to assert that the mafia would spend their power to make lfischl of all people a clear. Bro was cruising for a modkill right afterward and it’s only by my terrible decision to sub that he wasn’t. This is obviously a post hoc invention sweet needs to justify his push and not an objective view of the evidence.

sweet is either scum or moronic town, but either way I will credit his work ethic. He’s going to outwork me on this. He might even get me killed. I do not care. Do what you will.

Serious question: you feel very defeatist here, is it due to lack of time?

worcej, join me...voting Just is the wrong time today.

I’m not towning sweet as hard as I was earier in the game because of his fake claim shit and the tunnel on eden, but I feel more compelled that will was too ready for that meme.

Both are legit wagons to me for recent actions.

##vote sweet

I am still not opposed to a Monarch policy either. If we’re at lylo due to weird vote mechanics than we fucked up by waiting too long to process her…

[sweetandcool]

I think Eden is our best vote because it literally solves the game in a way nobody else has put forth.

We are seeing a lot of isolated cases, I've found a complete solve that makes total sense and is partially verified by Bunny's and Eden's behavior today.

In light of Bunny's scumslips I will ##VOTE Bunny.

Surely the actual Town players can see this and make this vote??

[worcej]

Eden is actually pretty nice. He's willing to resort to insults because he is scum. Because he respects the game and wants to give us the greatest challenge possible when he is Mafia. So he is happy to use emotional trickery.

Town Eden would not insult me here.

I’m reading through this squabble right now. To be perfectly honest, it’s reading as TvT. But it’s also gotten way too heated.

You’ve said something that I’ve said in past games and I always regret doing it. Which is to say “they’re scum because they wouldn’t actually be mean if they were being authentic”. I think I’ve said the variant of “you wouldn’t be this bad at the game/math if you weren’t scum”. Anyways, it’s basically a personal attack and not helping anyone.

I think you should consider the situation where eden is not scum and see who you think is scum as a result. And then maybe see if there’s overlap with the Eden = scum situation. I’m not saying he’s town (though I think he is) but I do think you’re tunneling a bit too much.

Nice try.

I respect Eden and Bunny greatly. But I know both of their scumgames and they are nakedly scumming up the thread right now.

Somehow nobody sees this. But I've seen Eden do this in M79. The man could get caught red-handed and Town won't vote him despite him being so obvious.

I’ve seen Eden do this style with Chaqa and it was from town!Eden

[sweetandcool]

Yes...he fake claimed WHEN HE KNEW the following:

food COULD NOT BE TOWN if his PR claim was correct.

Yet he didn't vote food.

sweet is 100% scum. There is no doubt.

That's straight up wrong. We have three PRs plus Food is is probably Town. That leaves one PR unaccounted for.

Bunny is scumslipping by betraying the fact he KNOWS a PR is the tadpole.

I'm ASSUMING the necro is a town!PR too

I'm assuming the opposite. I really have never thought Necro is Town because that makes no sense to me.

[aarodactyl]

wait, you fakeclaimed twice this game?

Yes. Yes he fucking did.

Yes...he fake claimed WHEN HE KNEW the following:

food COULD NOT BE TOWN if his PR claim was correct.

Yet he didn't vote food.

sweet is 100% scum. There is no doubt.

Ok maybe I’m the one bad at math. We only have 3 confirmed town PRs right? Everything else is just speculation

[BunnyGo]

Serious question: you feel very defeatist here, is it due to lack of time?

worcej, join me...voting Just is the wrong time today.

I’m not towning sweet as hard as I was earier in the game because of his fake claim shit and the tunnel on eden, but I feel more compelled that will was too ready for that meme.

Both are legit wagons to me for recent actions.

##vote sweet

I am still not opposed to a Monarch policy either. If we’re at lylo due to weird vote mechanics than we fucked up by waiting too long to process her…

I'd rather a monach policy in case we're somehow wrong and misreading new baby daddy!sweet.

##vote TheMad

[BunnyGo]

That's straight up wrong. We have three PRs plus Food is is probably Town. That leaves one PR unaccounted for.

Bunny is scumslipping by betraying the fact he KNOWS a PR is the tadpole.

I'm ASSUMING the necro is a town!PR too

I'm assuming the opposite. I really have never thought Necro is Town because that makes no sense to me.

Fine...then that's the difference.

But @aaro: the 5th was sweet's multiple claims from his (and our) POV.

[Col7by]

I’ve been saying bunny as scum since D2 but no one has pulled the trigger with me so I’ve stepped back to try to analyze the game and go on wagons I think are smart. I one again yesterday said that we should go for yoyo or a more talkative player to get more intel and instead ended on dousing. I don’t think much of what I have said has influenced anyone so I’m trying to make what I think is the right vote each round given the options people are giving

Yoyo got killed because they had the highest vote count. We didn’t kill dousing instead. I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say here

I was fine yoyo got killed by PR by the dousing day vote was bad

[BunnyGo]

I’ve been saying bunny as scum since D2 but no one has pulled the trigger with me so I’ve stepped back to try to analyze the game and go on wagons I think are smart. I one again yesterday said that we should go for yoyo or a more talkative player to get more intel and instead ended on dousing. I don’t think much of what I have said has influenced anyone so I’m trying to make what I think is the right vote each round given the options people are giving

Yoyo got killed because they had the highest vote count. We didn’t kill dousing instead. I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say here

I was fine yoyo got killed by PR by the dousing day vote was bad

100% agree. Both were bad.

Join me on TheMad if you don't want to vote sweet. It's our only safe bet.

[Col7by]

I think Eden is our best vote because it literally solves the game in a way nobody else has put forth.

We are seeing a lot of isolated cases, I've found a complete solve that makes total sense and is partially verified by Bunny's and Eden's behavior today.

In light of Bunny's scumslips I will ##VOTE Bunny.

Surely the actual Town players can see this and make this vote??

I’ve been attempting this vote for like 3 days I fear we won’t have the numbers

[sweetandcool]

Serious question: you feel very defeatist here, is it due to lack of time?

worcej, join me...voting Just is the wrong time today.

I’m not towning sweet as hard as I was earier in the game because of his fake claim shit and the tunnel on eden, but I feel more compelled that will was too ready for that meme.

Both are legit wagons to me for recent actions.

##vote sweet

I am still not opposed to a Monarch policy either. If we’re at lylo due to weird vote mechanics than we fucked up by waiting too long to process her…

Did you read my actual case for why Eden is Mafia? You don't find it strange that Aaro and Colby, both on lfischl (Eden) right before the duel are both alive?

You don't think Bunny is scumslipping right now?

I need you to solve this worcej, every Town player needs to be correct today, this is how we are going to lose.

[aarodactyl]

bona my son please solve the game now

Oh thank goodness. I didn’t see a reference to him being your son this game so far so I was worried you disowned him.

[Col7by]

Yoyo got killed because they had the highest vote count. We didn’t kill dousing instead. I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say here

I was fine yoyo got killed by PR by the dousing day vote was bad

100% agree. Both were bad.

Join me on TheMad if you don't want to vote sweet. It's our only safe bet.

I can’t see a world where TheMad makes sense what info do we get either way