MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Regarding mass claim I would support a vanilla/non vanilla mass claim.

I hard claim non vanilla lol.

I think if we're doing this, we should just mass claim entirely.

No, there are more downsides to a massclaim than a vanilla massclaim.

How do you figure? Scum can much more easily hide in a vanilla massclaim (there will be numerous claimants of both options), and it gives both scumteams more information than it gives the town, as they'll know everyone claiming non-vanilla that isn't themselves is PR or the other scumteam, and the town won't get the same amount of narrowing information.

[BobMcBob]

If Macca is an alien, why didn't they just pick somebody else and actually probe that person? Why pretend it was Macca?

On the off chance that people believed HR was jailer because of it I would assume. Otherwise it would be even less believable. I think it's unlikely though.

I don't follow this. Why would people be less likely to believe HR was jailer if Macca claimed a roleblock vs. if someone else did?

Also does anyone really believe Macca would be the person they'd choose to do the acting?

Oh yeah, misinterpreted that. I was thinking RB someone and still get Macca to claim RB, which is just next-level stupid. The only reason they might pretend Macca did it is because they knew it would be able to buy them more time in the day. Still very unlikely.

[BobMcBob]

I think if we're doing this, we should just mass claim entirely.

No, there are more downsides to a massclaim than a vanilla massclaim.

How do you figure? Scum can much more easily hide in a vanilla massclaim (there will be numerous claimants of both options), and it gives both scumteams more information than it gives the town, as they'll know everyone claiming non-vanilla that isn't themselves is PR or the other scumteam, and the town won't get the same amount of narrowing information.

I don't really support a vanilla massclaim either (although I'm not strongly opposed to it). Scum can still hide among a straight massclaim, and it gives them much, much more information about who to hit with the NK and what roles are in play that they need to deal with. Hence more downsides.

[BobMcBob]

im over here bustin my ass to find quotes and string together an idea of what kills came from where and I cant even get a dialogue about it but we can talk about yeast and proper baking theory

Brain it makes no sense. I'm sorry.

donny and bona being aliens with HR based on the content or that the aliens used a nk?

How are these points so easily dismissed. its like you lack any radar at all

Because they're... extremely unlikely? Donny and Bona are both aliens based on the fact that they sent one similar message that could be tinfoiled into being alien indicative under set circumstances and very poorly thought out team behaviour grouping? Aliens used their one NK which is extremely valuable in the late game on N1 for the sole purpose of getting rid of someone who was doing nothing but making lists? It's like you lack any logic at all.

[ghug]

Brain it makes no sense. I'm sorry.

donny and bona being aliens with HR based on the content or that the aliens used a nk?

How are these points so easily dismissed. its like you lack any radar at all

Because they're... extremely unlikely? Donny and Bona are both aliens based on the fact that they sent one similar message that could be tinfoiled into being alien indicative under set circumstances and very poorly thought out team behaviour grouping? Aliens used their one NK which is extremely valuable in the late game on N1 for the sole purpose of getting rid of someone who was doing nothing but making lists? It's like you lack any logic at all.

And he still hasn't explained where the attempted damo kill came from.

[celaph]

Fuck it. I think the odds I win are pretty much at 0 anyways after HR did his thing so I may as well have some fun. Please don't end me.

I hard claim being a member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Alternative humans). I am campaigning strongly to support the right to live freely and openly for all alternative humans. I am here to share the message that alternative humans are a peaceful lot and that we mean you no harm. We have feelings and are conscious just like you. Please treat us accordingly.

I would also like to highlight the amount of anti-alternative human sentiment that has cropped up this game in particular. The use of anti-alternative human slurs (particularly a**en) has seen a sharp increase this game. Please educate yourselves and avoid the use of such harmful and derogatory language. Additionally, a number of prominent public figures have openly made death threats against alternative-humans and advocated genocide. Such measures are obviously an over reaction and are quite damaging when it comes to our public image as we start to come out. I would encourage a more friendly, welcoming, and peaceful tone.

While there are some trouble makers among us alternative humans, we do our best to handle misconduct internally and are working hard and fast to clean up. Upon finding out that one of our own was mishandling state secrets and changing crucial information, we made sure to quickly and expediently alert the proper authorities and remove him. The lack of town press regarding how well we handled the case is frankly saddening, but not unexpected. The fact that accusations of criminal behavior continued despite our proper handling of the matter highlights how people are using these recent calls for law and order to unfairly target us. Indeed, if one properly looks at the data, you humans have been responsible for far more deaths in recent days.

If any of you all have any questions about the lives of us alternative humans, or even if you just want to have the chance to meet one of us, please come talk with me and ask me anything. I promise I won’t be offended by any uneducated remarks.

Before I begin the ama, there are two points that I should make. The first is that Macca is member of a nefarious organization responsible for the deaths of many innocent townies. I strongly encourage you to be more accepting of us alternative humans and focus on handling the problems among yourselves first. A good first step is ##vote mecca ##end. Please know that voting me will not stop the bloodshed you’re seeing. Secondly, while she was not in there long, cagey ray fits very nicely in my pockets and I encourage others to see if she fits in yours. If she is proving stubborn, try complementing her when she least expects it, that usually does the trick.

[celaph]

Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a town.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.

You seem to be suggesting that I named kgray to create chaos and possibly try to get someone miskilled. If that's the case, then why am I naming the most easily pocketed person in the game? Unless you think that paranoia around scum kgray is strong enough to get her killed over such a thing, I think I create more chaos by naming literally anyone else.

Fixed this for you, celaph

The classic pocket them so they think I'm town while Jamie writes my flip.

[celaph]

Yes, I said that I would defend them until I die.

They have both been acting really differently than I would expect from either of them. I prefer the latter to the fomer, but they're more meh wagons. Vecna is only here because of his inactivity and Maniac is yoyoing in my reads list between normal Maniac scummyness and weirdly insight Maniac that I suspect knows too much.

Where do you think Maniac implies that he knows too much?

It's the part where he is a name that is not mine and therefore a good kill.

[celaph]

Lol why has nobody pointed out that celaph claimed a role with an exact mafia equivalent?

[celaph]

This is hard to believe. Having to choose a discard you would carefully read the 2 roles. How would you not know you couldn't self target.

Celaph is as guilty as sin.

##end

Didn't he claim to discard goon? I don't know, seems plausible he just wanted town PR over goon and wouldn't had to have read it that closely...

If Celaph flips town I will start to suspect Kgray for this incredible amount of defense on him.

Nah, kgray is very much town.

[celaph]

Sorry but I was forced delete game 64 from the bot. The bot seems to not able to handle deleted messages in the game thread very well at all. It was creating lots of empty pages. While looking for the bug and the fix which may take a day or two, game 64 has to be taken off the bot.

Hey Peter, thanks for the constant maintenance! The bot is a treasure. I think the problem is that the posts got renumbered on the forum when bo deleted the spam. I'd wager a small pizza that the bot would do fine if you just recreated the game.

Now it seems to be up and running again. (http://mafia.peterlund.se)

Yes in principle the solution was to delete all info about m64 and then reinitialize it and reread the whole game thread.

Since this procedure never have beeen attempted before since no game messages have been deleted before, it took some time and some attempts to clean and reset it enough to get it up and running again. There is a lot of data about each game stored in the RAM database (that speeds up searches and response times) that needs to be removed aswell.

If deleting messages happens again, I would like to know on what page the first deletion was made. Then rereading would be faster and simplified. But please try to avoid it since it currently needs my intervention to fix it. There is no procedure for this implemented in the bot code.

I strongly recommend we vote someone who didn't +1 this good man. Only scum could be so heartless.

[celaph]

Did celaph really just claim and then fuck off?

It was 2am in the morning. How long do you want me to stay awake?

[celaph]

Which is atypical, given his performances the last two games.

What is atypical about it Bona?

Celaph isn't a high-volume poster, but it's out of character for him to simply disappear after claiming a strong PR having a 9 vote lead on the next largest wagon.

Ah, yes. Me sleeping is scum indicative.

[celaph]

Which is atypical, given his performances the last two games.

What is atypical about it Bona?

Celaph isn't a high-volume poster, but it's out of character for him to simply disappear after claiming a strong PR having a 9 vote lead on the next largest wagon.

I really hope I get VT next game so I can laugh knowing that all this non-sense will be proved wrong. I am curious if you can keep your read streak up though. Your ego gonna be huge.

[celaph]

Do you scumread brainbomb then?

I'm not interested in instigating a wagon on brainbomb at the moment, I'm confident I can 1v1 him in ease come kilo should the need arise

I've got no idea if you're scum or not, but I like you.

[celaph]

You never called it lylo in the thread though.

Because..we never had reason to talk about it? Wow you really go out on a limb here. If you want to accuse me please do by all means, in the daylight, we'll 1v1 it out like men and/or women.

I played years ago on Epic Mafia, not a secret I wrote about it like back in D1 people became curious of my background in mafia as if it's going to help them play better, these were the terms used.

Also, not quantum mechanics to read past mafia threads. Constantly you guys are shitting on people for not reading and then when someone reads you get your panties in a twist? How do I know what a VCA is? How do I know what EOD and EON are? I don't know maybe because I bothered reading a few pages of mafia and its illustrious history before running my mouth..

Good thing mafia isn't quantum mechanics, I don't trust y'all to do the math well.

[celaph]

Fuck it. I think the odds I win are pretty much at 0 anyways after HR did his thing so I may as well have some fun. Please don't end me.

On the topic of HR's thing, why is he outing himself to save me when I'm nearly conf!scum after Damo scan + my shit D1?

[celaph]

Fuck it. I think the odds I win are pretty much at 0 anyways after HR did his thing so I may as well have some fun. Please don't end me.

On the topic of HR's thing, why is he outing himself to save me when I'm nearly conf!scum after Damo scan + my shit D1?

No hard feelings btw HR. Just giving you a hard time.

[BunnyGo]

##unend. I was wrong. This got interesting after all.

[ghug]

Sexy.

Five questions:
- What's my alignment?
- What's your role?
- Who'd y'all roleblock last night?
- What was the general sentiment towards HR in the QT after he tied the vote?
- Did someone on your team discard the town governor?