M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[lfischl]

I don't think we want this, really don't like this. Depending on our behaviour, mafia would have a much easier time to predict who's the dog and I think it's hard to not let that influence the scan your reads.

Like if you suspected someone before and now suddenly don't with that name reveal you've just helped mafia.

Also it's just a coincidence you scanned ghug who was the target of the mafia action, I presume? Naah, I don't like this, not one bit.

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

There are 3 mafia, they couldn't all say they checked ghug, and there is risk in accidently claiming a check on the dog without knowing they are the dog. There is little risk of revealing the identity of the dog to the mafia, since the dog can safely claim a fake check, and the dog power is not significant enough to be overly worried about giving away their identity.

Assuming the mafia did not check the dog, they had the choice of claiming a check on ghug, claiming a check on someone who may or not may not be the dog, claiming they did not check anyone, or refusing to answer. If they did check the dog, only one would want to give the real dog as their check.

So, the useful results are:
1. the reaction to the survey
2. the potential for the mafia to fake a check on the real dog without knowing the identity of the dog

Were there any duplicate results?

[bozotheclown]

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

There are 3 mafia, they couldn't all say they checked ghug, and there is risk in accidently claiming a check on the dog without knowing they are the dog. There is little risk of revealing the identity of the dog to the mafia, since the dog can safely claim a fake check, and the dog power is not significant enough to be overly worried about giving away their identity.

Assuming the mafia did not check the dog, they had the choice of claiming a check on ghug, claiming a check on someone who may or not may not be the dog, claiming they did not check anyone, or refusing to answer. If they did check the dog, only one would want to give the real dog as their check.

So, the useful results are:
1. the reaction to the survey
2. the potential for the mafia to fake a check on the real dog without knowing the identity of the dog

Were there any duplicate results?

No, which is somewhat interesting.

[bozotheclown]

my only instinct rn is that Bona is town

@Heart, why do you townread Bona?

he was generating a lot of conversation which i'm starting to pick up as generally a town trait. also i feel like a scum wouldn't want to draw so much attention to themselves early on but maybe i'm wrong there

I think that depends on the player, Bonatogether has demonstrated the ability to be very active as mafia.

[lfischl]

There are 3 mafia, they couldn't all say they checked ghug, and there is risk in accidently claiming a check on the dog without knowing they are the dog. There is little risk of revealing the identity of the dog to the mafia, since the dog can safely claim a fake check, and the dog power is not significant enough to be overly worried about giving away their identity.

Assuming the mafia did not check the dog, they had the choice of claiming a check on ghug, claiming a check on someone who may or not may not be the dog, claiming they did not check anyone, or refusing to answer. If they did check the dog, only one would want to give the real dog as their check.

So, the useful results are:
1. the reaction to the survey
2. the potential for the mafia to fake a check on the real dog without knowing the identity of the dog

Were there any duplicate results?

No, which is somewhat interesting.

I mean one thing to consider is that while the mafia is definitely lying, what's the likelihood that at least 1 sheep lied

[bozotheclown]

Were there any duplicate results?

No, which is somewhat interesting.

I mean one thing to consider is that while the mafia is definitely lying, what's the likelihood that at least 1 sheep lied

It is possible, although not particularly helpful.

[heartthrob24909]

Were there any duplicate results?

No, which is somewhat interesting.

I mean one thing to consider is that while the mafia is definitely lying, what's the likelihood that at least 1 sheep lied

sheep could lie to protect ID of sheepdog if they find it maybe. but idk what would motivate me to do that. still working on wrapping my head around what we find out from this survey. but i liked the point someone made earlier about using everyone's reactions to the survey itself as evidence to go off of

[bozotheclown]

Considering the majority of players have participated in the dog survey, I think it is suspicious for Kakarroto and rdrivera to refuse to participate based on an objection to the survey. I also don't like how Kakarroto seemed to be setting me up for votes without voting for me, and doing so by suspecting my own answer to the survey despite supposedly not seeing any value in it.

##VOTE Kakarroto

[Bonatogether]

bozo givith cringe reasoning

are not the scum more likely to lie (with literally no blowback possibility) versus singling themselves out by refusing to answer

[bozotheclown]

bozo givith cringe reasoning

are not the scum more likely to lie (with literally no blowback possibility) versus singling themselves out by refusing to answer

Maybe, or they could just claim they did not check anyone.

[Bonatogether]

was a mistake and probably could have read him better but i think it was solid regardless

Can you say more about your read on Bunny? It seems like you were at odds with him early and then increased your anti-bunny rhetoric when I shared my suspicion.

well i just found his line of reasoning real funny, and he refused to give and explain a post that he actually found scummy after he proclaimed he found every post of mine on the first 5 pages scummy. also the 'it's weird that bona would guess bungo did the gm call' feels a lot like how i've been set up to die over stupid shit before. once i starting building a wagon on him, he ended eod with 'oh, bona and i just never understand each other'

[Bonatogether]

bona - I'm leaning town for bona, though in his mafia game he found day after day people to shove/push for like here bunny. For D1, it looks enough town for me to be fine with it, but if that continues day after day with other people, be very prepared.

I feel like you townread Bona and then only gave reasons to scumread him. Why the townread?

cause i'm just cool like that

[Bonatogether]

Didn't pet anyone because when I first read it I thought it was a one time ability.

dubious, celaph always knows the rules

[Bonatogether]

bona - I'm leaning town for bona, though in his mafia game he found day after day people to shove/push for like here bunny. For D1, it looks enough town for me to be fine with it, but if that continues day after day with other people, be very prepared.

I feel like you townread Bona and then only gave reasons to scumread him. Why the townread?

Going to bed soon, current thoughts:

Kak: Probably town. I thought his read and changing thoughts around ghug were quite perceptive and mirrored mine. Also, I feel like his EoN thoughts had a healthy amount of fear that I was copying him.

ayo?

[Bonatogether]

I'm probably most sus of lfischl, chaqa, and damo right now. Bona, worcej, and rdr sitting at null.

je ne comprend pas

[Bonatogether]

Didn't pet anyone because when I first read it I thought it was a one time ability.

im tempted to scumread you lol

wow past me was samrt

[Bonatogether]

On the topic of heart, he answered Bozo's petting question with inherent trust that Bozo had a decent reason for asking and that he could safely answer and figure out the reason later. That feels way more newb town than newb scum to me.

Secondly,

It's certainly possible that Heart's a great actor and playing up how little he knows. But if he's mafia, then presumably he just spent 24 hours in a discord with two other players explaining their reasoning on who to kill. I do not believe that anyone spends time seriously contemplating their best kill and decides its ghug because he got votes.

Heart is town.

agree with this reasoning

Same, but I’m not a fan of completely letting someone off the hook early on for it. Can’t learn the game that way.

it's ok, someone will tinfoil him sooner or later

[Bonatogether]

Why would you support a Chaqa wagon?

Also, is this message abobe the message that you were referring to here:

Does chaqa have a history of just buddying people?

He’s done it in the past as scum, but chaqa is not someone who is consistent with his game.

i see you and your +1 @chaqa

[Bonatogether]

I don't think we want this, really don't like this. Depending on our behaviour, mafia would have a much easier time to predict who's the dog and I think it's hard to not let that influence the scan your reads.

Like if you suspected someone before and now suddenly don't with that name reveal you've just helped mafia.

Also it's just a coincidence you scanned ghug who was the target of the mafia action, I presume? Naah, I don't like this, not one bit.

Town points for Kak. Scum points for Bozo

This is one of the most useless surveys I have ever seen as it gets no usefull results (scum can easily fake a pat o a dead player like Ghug for example or there are other ways to avoid giving any info to town that I won't tell) and it will give info to scum because some morobs will disclose the result and make the pool smaller.

Bozo ain't a bad player, so ##vote Bozo

There are 3 mafia, they couldn't all say they checked ghug, and there is risk in accidently claiming a check on the dog without knowing they are the dog. There is little risk of revealing the identity of the dog to the mafia, since the dog can safely claim a fake check, and the dog power is not significant enough to be overly worried about giving away their identity.

Assuming the mafia did not check the dog, they had the choice of claiming a check on ghug, claiming a check on someone who may or not may not be the dog, claiming they did not check anyone, or refusing to answer. If they did check the dog, only one would want to give the real dog as their check.

So, the useful results are:
1. the reaction to the survey
2. the potential for the mafia to fake a check on the real dog without knowing the identity of the dog

2. is nothing. no one should be saying their result, so literally the only thing you've done is ask people to pr hunt in the thread

[Bonatogether]

@Heart, why do you townread Bona?

he was generating a lot of conversation which i'm starting to pick up as generally a town trait. also i feel like a scum wouldn't want to draw so much attention to themselves early on but maybe i'm wrong there

I think that depends on the player, Bonatogether has demonstrated the ability to be very active as mafia.

[Bonatogether]

No, which is somewhat interesting.

I mean one thing to consider is that while the mafia is definitely lying, what's the likelihood that at least 1 sheep lied

It is possible, although not particularly helpful.

sheep lying is the best result because it means we're not putting pr hunt thoughts in the thread likes actual sheeple