M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Just, as of D4 the only reasoning you've given about scum!Vecna is that "he is not acting townie and yet somehow is still alive."

Is there anything else about Vecna you scumread?

[worcej]

##VOTE WORCEJ

Catching up from the start of the day - last night I have my kids for a couple weeks.

Glad to see your committed to the death tunnel Fox. Thanks for your stellar contribution…

[Bonatogether]

i think at a certain point we need to accept that food shouldn't be a dk, but he cannot be in lylo

[worcej]

##vote yoyo

My first thought is to question if there is a PR role that wants to kill itself. I only see things that list being protected from an “attack” and I don’t consider a vote to be an attack.

[worcej]

No real basis for it except “vibes” but I didn’t love the reactions of Bunny, Bona, or worcej during the duel. All town reads of mine.

What don’t you like about mine? I have been clear that I thought he was scum trying to survive in the last ditch efforts of a phase.

[worcej]

Mmm bona scummy he wana get flav

I mean, I guess this is effective play. If your townplay is full of bullshit like this, it makes your scum game easy to replicate.

Can you make some reasoned thoughts please? The most coherent posters are dead, unfortunately. That means the rest of us have to actually pick up the slack that Ghug/Kak etc. left.
These phases are fast too, so we actually don't have years.

My reads have been completely off this game, so I'm trying to have other people look at the things/players that *I* find odd and see if they react similarly. If people do, *maybe* we're onto something.

Woah - don’t talk so meanly about Vecna/Eden/Sweet/food/aaro(when he actually posts)

[worcej]

Mostly that his posts focus nearly entirely on mechs and out of game stuff. If this AI? I dunno. But it’s not towny solvy aaro.

So about as strong as any of the cases you just criticized.

No. It regards his lack of in game posts of substance. He's made one or two since.

Ok...this is as caught up as I am. I've seen the Jamie flip, but nothing else.

Tonight starts the 49-50 hour holiday of Shavuot. The holiday commemorating when the jews were given the torah.

As part of the modern holiday, it is customary to stay up all night studying, learning, and teaching.

I didn't find any study groups to go to. But my plan (after my wife is asleep) is to stay up as late as I can reviewing the key votes, comments, and movements for days 1/2/3/4 including brand new coloring (sorry Jamie) and insights.

I hope we all find this a meaningful holiday study session.

TIL more about Bunny

[worcej]

A gm error was made
Nothing about integrity of game is in question.
Jamie was moved to god chat FYI and its my fualt

K?

[worcej]

Had a nice day trip to the coast. Pleasantly surprised to see there is not much to catch up on. I'll read and then properly give the graveyard messages a look since earlier that was incredibly rushed.

We’re in the apathy stage that requires us to pick up some levels of energy ourselves

[foodcoats]

i think at a certain point we need to accept that food shouldn't be a dk, but he cannot be in lylo

Who do you think is better in LYLO, me or MadMonarch?

[foodcoats]

No real basis for it except “vibes” but I didn’t love the reactions of Bunny, Bona, or worcej during the duel. All town reads of mine.

What don’t you like about mine? I have been clear that I thought he was scum trying to survive in the last ditch efforts of a phase.

Yeah, I really don't know, I just re-read that whole scenario to see what felt right and what felt wrong. Granted, a lot of people think I look scummy for that duel, so just "vibing" isn't worth much. This is more a reminder for me to not completely overlook you, Bunny and Bona (who I largely townread).

[worcej]

Jesus how many post game threads can one man get an invite too

This is why I leave those servers lol

[foodcoats]

why did you vote the towny instead of the scum?

Fair point, I voted for diplomacy D2. He activated the ability himself and was able to eliminate scum, though the BM killed him anyway.

Sweet is mafia. It’s pretty much proven.

Yoyo, you have been self-voting for more than half of D5.

Last night, you were adamant sweet was scum. Why are you not voting for sweet?

[foodcoats]

Jesus how many post game threads can one man get an invite too

This is why I leave those servers lol

I could do a write-up on how to properly use role-based security on Discord. Just saying, my Discord server was perfect.

[worcej]

##VOTE Flum

Dousing put Flum up 6-4 with only a few minutes to go. Not sure he is the scumbo here actually, unless he is total wild man.

He's not wild. But it's possible Daychat could influence behavior.

This is an important note that some my be underestimating

[foodcoats]

i think at a certain point we need to accept that food shouldn't be a dk, but he cannot be in lylo

Who do you think is better in LYLO, me or MadMonarch?

That said, the fact that Bona said this kinda suggests he is not thinking from a scum perspective. Or does it, since he is suggesting I must be killed at some point? The thing is, he is completely wrong, because I am no more or less likely to be town than anyone else, unless you truly find some scum agenda among my channeling. So the fact that it is mechanically wrong is ticking me as town.

[foodcoats]

Dousing put Flum up 6-4 with only a few minutes to go. Not sure he is the scumbo here actually, unless he is total wild man.

He's not wild. But it's possible Daychat could influence behavior.

This is an important note that some my be underestimating

Oh, that is a good call.

[worcej]

Today might be the day to kill MM. If MM is town she is going to lose us at the game at SOME point so we have to get rid of her to have any chance of winning. She has conveniently vote-parked on a known town (from my POV anyway) every day, although this is statistically not scum-indicative (except that statistically Yoyo should be scum she has randomly parked on if she is town… statistically, or if wearing tinfoil could be an intentional end-on-a-bus move).

Killing MM does not feel great but I feel it has to be done. Or at least we have to decide, do we carry MM forever and just cross fingers she is town?

Thoughts?

I am not in a great spot to do miskill math (slacking on my cell) - how many shots do we have left to spend?

I have been concerned about Monarch being a liability for a few days and even adjusted my reads to account for this.

[foodcoats]

Fair point, I voted for diplomacy D2. He activated the ability himself and was able to eliminate scum, though the BM killed him anyway.

Sweet is mafia. It’s pretty much proven.

Yoyo, you have been self-voting for more than half of D5.

Last night, you were adamant sweet was scum. Why are you not voting for sweet?

Actually yoyo, you have been quite adamant for several days that sweet is mafia.

Can you summarize your case against him?

[foodcoats]

Today might be the day to kill MM. If MM is town she is going to lose us at the game at SOME point so we have to get rid of her to have any chance of winning. She has conveniently vote-parked on a known town (from my POV anyway) every day, although this is statistically not scum-indicative (except that statistically Yoyo should be scum she has randomly parked on if she is town… statistically, or if wearing tinfoil could be an intentional end-on-a-bus move).

Killing MM does not feel great but I feel it has to be done. Or at least we have to decide, do we carry MM forever and just cross fingers she is town?

Thoughts?

I am not in a great spot to do miskill math (slacking on my cell) - how many shots do we have left to spend?

I have been concerned about Monarch being a liability for a few days and even adjusted my reads to account for this.

Another tinfoil: yoyo self-voted even though he seriously scumreads sweet because he saw actual cases being made against sweet last night and doesn't want to power than wagon. MM is scum with them and decided to park on yoyo today instead of a town to vary her VCA.