M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

HONK

I was given a LOT of items.

Surpringly so!

I'll explain in the morning.

My theory is that Vecna is 3P and gave his hoard to Jamie, knowing he would be potatoed and that Jamie could be framed.

I then saw Vecna had contrived to get on Jamie’s wagon.

Bingo.

Bingpot!

[bozotheclown]

HONK

I was given a LOT of items.

Surpringly so!

I'll explain in the morning.

My theory is that Vecna is 3P and gave his hoard to Jamie, knowing he would be potatoed and that Jamie could be framed.

I then saw Vecna had contrived to get on Jamie’s wagon.

Bingo.

This is what I am concerned about also, that Vecna gave away all of his items, but his 3P needed items to Jamie. Vecna could have given the RB item to kgray and the commute item to Jamie.

Please no more hammering Jamie.

Also, we need to find out how exactly how damo got the gun.

[bozotheclown]

##GM Note:

I had issued a few minor addendums to the EoD PMs from yesterday, but missed that one player was not informed of an item they received at EoD. The player has now been (retroactively) informed of this.

##CALL GM:

Is this referring to D5 EOD?

[bozotheclown]

Giving away items happens after the DK, so Maniac could not have given the gun to Vecna D5. If someone else gave him the gun D5, he would not have had a chance to give it away before it was scattered.

[bozotheclown]

HONK

I was given a LOT of items.

Surpringly so!

I'll explain in the morning.

My theory is that Vecna is 3P and gave his hoard to Jamie, knowing he would be potatoed and that Jamie could be framed.

I then saw Vecna had contrived to get on Jamie’s wagon.

Bingo.

I thought this might be what had happened after Jamie posted this at the beginning of N5:

Chaqa found an actual girlfriend?

You suddenly decided you wanna be sober for the rest of the year?

Brittain no longer wants to have anything to do with its formal colonies?

I am trying to work out whether to announce what has happened. I think it would be better for me to wait until the end of the phase.

I will say this: Please do NOT use the Hot Salsa on me tonight. Doing so could lead to a 3P victory. I've warned you. If you don't listen to this warning and the 3P wins, I will laugh.

I considered using the Hot Salsa on Jamie to scatter the items, but Vecna was one of the 5 players not on Maniac wagon.

[Chaqa]

##GM Note:

I had issued a few minor addendums to the EoD PMs from yesterday, but missed that one player was not informed of an item they received at EoD. The player has now been (retroactively) informed of this.

##CALL GM:

Is this referring to D5 EOD?

Yes.

[damo666]

Also, No-way are we allowing Vecna on this wagon?

Probably best jic Jamie has 5 and it gives 3p Vecna a shot at victory.

[damo666]

So assuming bozo confirms, Vecna is clear.

That’s awkward for ol’ foodcoats. Good thing Jamie looks sus.

I’ll confirm that I got pinto beans at the last EOD.

So Jamie has 4/6 max.

[damo666]

So assuming bozo confirms, Vecna is clear.

That’s awkward for ol’ foodcoats. Good thing Jamie looks sus.

I’ll confirm that I got pinto beans at the last EOD.

So Jamie has 4/6 max.

Forget this . I forgot about Black Beans.

[damo666]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

[Vecna]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

Walk me through this, because with the ammount of scrutiny I keep receiving over bullshit reasons;

How could any of these people not be 3P starting with the gun that shot ghug to get their items?

I know they all have done something to make people feel otherwise, but if you target me with these nonsense accusations, everyone should be put under the loop to completely rule them out.

[bozotheclown]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

[bozotheclown]

Between what Jamie said at the beginning of N5 and N5 EON, it seems clear what is going on. I used the Hot Salsa on Vecna N5 despite suspecting he had given away his items to make sure we could safely DK him D6.

[Vecna]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

Why do you only apply this logic to me?

You havent done anything at all to try and rule out any of the other people. None of your mechanical wizardry to solve the puzzle.

The last 3 days have been you saying "if this is what happened, Vecna is the largest threat".

It is NOT what happened.

You are allowing fear of me somehow pulling the largest master-heist in history to cloud every bit of common sense id expect you to have.

[Vecna]

I bet in the scenario youre now afraid of, I probably couldve just won last night with the salsa in my possession.

[Vecna]

in fact, its almost like youre instructing jamiet what to claim here to make me look bad

[bozotheclown]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

Why do you only apply this logic to me?

You havent done anything at all to try and rule out any of the other people. None of your mechanical wizardry to solve the puzzle.

The last 3 days have been you saying "if this is what happened, Vecna is the largest threat".

It is NOT what happened.

You are allowing fear of me somehow pulling the largest master-heist in history to cloud every bit of common sense id expect you to have.

No other 3P possibility would expect to have the Hot Salsa used against them N5 and therefore would have no reason to give away their 3P need items to Jamie with the intention of getting them back D6.

Then there is this:

The way I see the current gamestate:

Jamiet is either the last scum or 3P. He's been hiding behind itemclaims all game long, and its prevented us from killing him twice now. I honestly dont really care what he has to say, since its not going to be in our best interest, but his.

In the absolute worst case scenario, 3P has 5/6 items (I think this is possible by now, right?) but is still chasing after the doc item. Worst case scenario, Jamiet doesnt flip 3P, but then the actual 3P still has to take like a 1/7 gamble on who has the item he's guessing for. Killing jamiet can never result in the 3P getting all his items. It can result in us either eliminating mafia and their NK/rb, or we just win outright by nabbing the 3P.

Lets just get this over with

##vote jamiet

id actually think itd hilarious to have jamiet wake up to find himself already hammered.

[damo666]

We'll see what Jamie has to say but provisionally we should do this:

Snowy, rdr, Macca and me vote Jamie.

Everyone else self vote.

This does not work, because if Vecna is 3P, he could jump on Jamie's wagon at EOD to either win or presumably have a chance to win N6. Trying to hammer does not work either, as Vecna could jump in and provide the last hammer vote. Vecna is the only one who had a reason to give a lot item to Jamie as 3P.

Vecna currently has no items, so no one will pick up anything by being on his wagon.

##VOTE Vecna

I'm willing to take that risk because
1) I dontbthink he is 3p anyway and
2) if he is and exposes himself by jumping on a Jame wagon (or you or kgray or HamB) the probability is he guesses wrong and we simply dk tomorrow

[bozotheclown]

I bet in the scenario youre now afraid of, I probably couldve just won last night with the salsa in my possession.

If that was true, I think you would have won last night. Maybe you still needed the DV and another item, and was hoping Jamie was still holding onto the DV.

[damo666]

Survival is more important to 3p right now rather than item collection. Remember this.

I wish Jamie would wake up.