M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote bozo

Is there any particular reason why you're automatically voting as a pair with Fluminator for the fourth EoD* in a row?

*includes gunshot

[ghug]

Ghug I wasn't in that game so I didn't really read much but some of what I did read I remember thinking that if I didn't know she was scum I'd never be able to guess. That means nothing, obviously. I don't know why you've asked this question so much. Didn't she answer you herself?

I get paranoid about my townreads when we miskill 5 people in a row.

[ghug]

What are your reads right now, Durg?

[Donny Dude]

##vote bozo

Is there any particular reason why you're automatically voting as a pair with Fluminator for the fourth EoD* in a row?

*includes gunshot

I had not realized that, so no.

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote bozo

Is there any particular reason why you're automatically voting as a pair with Fluminator for the fourth EoD* in a row?

*includes gunshot

I had not realized that, so no.

What is your read on Fluminator? What do you think about the fact he briefly voted you before changing to Bozo?

[Hellenic Riot]

Also, I greatly enjoy how emc completely forgot about this game immediately. I miss teacon.

[ghug]

Also, I greatly enjoy how emc completely forgot about this game immediately. I miss teacon.

This may be the first time anyone's ever wished that someone would only lurk as hard as teacon.

[Hellenic Riot]

Also, I greatly enjoy how emc completely forgot about this game immediately. I miss teacon.

This may be the first time anyone's ever wished that someone would only lurk as hard as teacon.

I think teacon has read more of the thread than emc has...

[Donny Dude]

Is there any particular reason why you're automatically voting as a pair with Fluminator for the fourth EoD* in a row?

*includes gunshot

I had not realized that, so no.

What is your read on Fluminator? What do you think about the fact he briefly voted you before changing to Bozo?

I town read flum. It seems like a quick vote that made him change his mind.

[ghug]

I had not realized that, so no.

What is your read on Fluminator? What do you think about the fact he briefly voted you before changing to Bozo?

I town read flum. It seems like a quick vote that made him change his mind.

What made him change his mind?

[Hellenic Riot]

I had not realized that, so no.

What is your read on Fluminator? What do you think about the fact he briefly voted you before changing to Bozo?

I town read flum. It seems like a quick vote that made him change his mind.

What made him change his mind? You think he's not scumreading you anymore because he changed to Bozo?

[Donny Dude]

What is your read on Fluminator? What do you think about the fact he briefly voted you before changing to Bozo?

I town read flum. It seems like a quick vote that made him change his mind.

What made him change his mind? You think he's not scumreading you anymore because he changed to Bozo?

I don't know what made flum change his mind.
No, Flum probably still is.

[Donny Dude]

I town read flum. It seems like a quick vote that made him change his mind.

What made him change his mind? You think he's not scumreading you anymore because he changed to Bozo?

I don't know what made flum change his mind.
No, Flum probably still is.

Flum what made you change from myself to Bozo?

[seth24c]

I also think it's very likely that the Moscow wagon had at most one scum on it yesterday and was potentially scum-free, which makes the flash wagon bad news.

If you feel this is the case why do you think people who are considered stronger players such as, HR, Flum, kgray and yourself say still around even after being townread pretty much for the whole game? Why was worcej the night kill?

I don't think your general premise here is wrong, summit was probably bussed. I scumread bozo and emosc42, who both got towncred from summit's death. I have three scumreads for four slots, so there's probably at least one more in my nulls and light townreads.

The only death I really find weird, though, is worcej. The first three nights they killed PRs. Tom was a widely-townread member of the Moscow wagon too. I''m hesitant to read too much into one odd death, especially with many factors of the setup potentially influencing kills.

Why didn't you include bozo or Durga in that list of players?

They aren’t as heavily townread from what I have seen so wouldn’t necessarily be first targeted for the night kill. And even when the hit power roles it was people who were not necessarily townread even before that. RDR was off of the summit wagon and he was the night kill first night. That in itself should tell us something.

[seth24c]

If you feel this is the case why do you think people who are considered stronger players such as, HR, Flum, kgray and yourself say still around even after being townread pretty much for the whole game? Why was worcej the night kill?

I don't think your general premise here is wrong, summit was probably bussed. I scumread bozo and emosc42, who both got towncred from summit's death. I have three scumreads for four slots, so there's probably at least one more in my nulls and light townreads.

The only death I really find weird, though, is worcej. The first three nights they killed PRs. Tom was a widely-townread member of the Moscow wagon too. I''m hesitant to read too much into one odd death, especially with many factors of the setup potentially influencing kills.

Why didn't you include bozo or Durga in that list of players?

You have to point out that Seth doesn't think I'm a strong player?

This was not a slight I promise. I just haven’t seen the same townreads for you or bozo that I had for the other players, thus making you two less of a nightkill target in this game.

[seth24c]

See my previous post.

Do you think it is strange that scum hasn’t started flipping any of the highly townread people on the summit wagon? Why do you think that is?

They did NK Tom after the PRs, so N5 was the first night they would have made that decision, or possibly N1 with rdrivera as well. I think there are a few possibilities. If Fluminator and/or ghug were bussing summit, they could be keeping the others around for cover. Or, I could be wrong about other summit bussers, and they are keeping the others around for cover. It could be just that they thought worcej was a PR. Or maybe they anticipated your question would be asked and are tying to encourage DKs in the summit voters.

I think at least part of why worcej was the NK was that they knew he was not jailed. Fluminator, Durga, and emc (Moscow) were the summit voters who posted N5, do you think any of them could be scum?

But they didn’t know that they would hit prs the first night (rdr) at least and still killed off wagon. Tom, chaqa, and bunny make sense as they were clears or near clear but both worcej and RDR being off the summit wagon paints a pretty strong picture in my opinion.

[seth24c]

See my previous post.

Do you think it is strange that scum hasn’t started flipping any of the highly townread people on the summit wagon? Why do you think that is?

They did NK Tom after the PRs, so N5 was the first night they would have made that decision, or possibly N1 with rdrivera as well. I think there are a few possibilities. If Fluminator and/or ghug were bussing summit, they could be keeping the others around for cover. Or, I could be wrong about other summit bussers, and they are keeping the others around for cover. It could be just that they thought worcej was a PR. Or maybe they anticipated your question would be asked and are tying to encourage DKs in the summit voters.

I think at least part of why worcej was the NK was that they knew he was not jailed. Fluminator, Durga, and emc (Moscow) were the summit voters who posted N5, do you think any of them could be scum?

For the second part i do think it is pretty probable that out of flum, Durga and emc there is at least one scum. My first guess right now would be flum but it is really a toss up.

[Hellenic Riot]

Was Tom near-clear? How so?

[seth24c]

Was Tom near-clear? How so?

Probably just not good phrasing on my part. I was referring to the fact that he was already widely townread to the point that he was given the gun and most people thought he was town.

[kgray]

Can you requote your maniac case? It's hard on phone to find stuff

In addition to his D1/N1 potential traitor signaling and him not voting for summit D1, this is the bulk of it:

##vote Maniac

His thought progression this game makes ZERO sense, especially when you look at it in context of his D4 voting.

Here are his Vecna reads:

D2 Maniac townread Vecna for the timing of his summit vote and said it would take convincing for him to vote for Vecna. His "scumread" of Vecna came on D4 from what he apparently thought was a scumslip by Vecna in this exchange:



although Maniac never explained why he thought Vecna scumslipped. He then voted for damo before Tom's gunshot EOD but said he'd switch to Vecna if that became a thing - again, with the only explanation of him changing from townreading Vecna to voting him being a "scumslip" that didn't happen.

He later includes Vecna in a list of people with sketchy D1 voting and a claim that Vecna wasn't bussing, even though he'd already townread Vecna *because* of his D1 voting. Just compare this post with this post.

Now, let's look at Maniac's read of flash:

In his EoD1 readslist, all he says about flash is that there's "not enough info." D2 he votes flash "for reasons." Begining of D4 he votes flash here because he thinks flash might be scum, and ends up back on flash's wagon with 14 minutes left.

BUT: At 6 minutes left, he changes from flash to Vecna, which puts Vecna in the lead, and then he rallies (or tries to rally) people to get on Vecna last-minute. There's literally no explanation of why he thought Vecna was scum OR why he thought flash is town.

Oh, and as soon as Vecna flips town he's suddenly okay with voting flash again.

I'd be more suspicious of Maniac voting flash, then almost instantly flipping his vote onto Vecna because he thought the flash voters were sketchy if it wasn't Town vs. Town

You went out of your way to point out that scum would rather have town!Vecna daykilled over town!flash, so this backtrack seems pretty disingenuous to me.