MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Ezio]

HB doesn't even have the range to claim this at your direct instruction to create distance between teammates. He's town.

Sure. I don't know how HB plays particularly well. I guess I was supposed to yell all this at him earlier today when he told me he knew I was faking it. I hoped by hopping off his wagon he'd get a hint. I Guess he didn't, and I was supposed to start my arguments earlier.
My bad. Sorry team. I'll play better next time.

As I said in my post just *after* yours, I guess I was supposed to explain all this to hamilton earlier. I misguessed how he was going to think and fucked it all up.
Whoops. Fuck me. I'm clearly terrible at this game and everything related to it.
Guess I cost town this one.

[Ezio]

If celaph flips town, I expect HR to flip scum.
If that happens, Demon, RDR, and Kgray all are super town for voting to avoid the town vs town tie.

If celaph flips scum, those three look super good as well for not voting me to preserve their scum buddy.
In short, the three of them are pobably town.

[Ezio]

When you add Demon, RDR to the towncore I've built of
Me, kgray, bona, HB, we've got 6 townclears.

12 ppl left. If we use eliminition purely, we'll get to f6 before shit hits the fan. We only need 2 more confirmed scum to eliminate. Using all our PR's, that seems quite likely tbh.

[kgray]

@bunny go
https://gyazo.com/8d4644171803291b41f4b9bc0d90c7c9
Didn't you say you had no mafia losses on this forum and were therefore a perfect scum player who would call out kgray perfectly? Why does it look like you have 2 losses and 1 win? Am I misreading something?

I have no mafia losses, nor have I been daykilled as scum

[kgray]

What makes you think that?

Hi Donny! Can you make some posts that are substantial, not parroting and not asking shallow questions? Thanks!

I did not like ghug's post at all as it could be used by scum ghug to earn credit if hr is town by claiming a vague feeling.

Anyone who actually townreads HR should be the next daykill if he somehow flips town because it clearly shows they have too much info on their hands.

[kgray]

Do you actually believe this was unliikely to benefit town in any way? What of every other world where it works fucking great.
What way does it ever hurt town worse than it has in this fucking game?

Point me to at least three people on the player list who, if doctor, wouldn't CC. We are living in by far the most likely world here, and I don't see how you could miss that.

Kgray, Ghug, Maniac at the very least.
Think of it this way. What's the upside for town doc to CC? If they get killed they flip and reveal my bullshit. If they don't they still have cover for their plays.

Am I being buddied again? First I’m the only person being reasonable, and now I’m first in your list of people who would play the doc the “right” way?

[kgray]

Point me to at least three people on the player list who, if doctor, wouldn't CC. We are living in by far the most likely world here, and I don't see how you could miss that.

Kgray, Ghug, Maniac at the very least.
Think of it this way. What's the upside for town doc to CC? If they get killed they flip and reveal my bullshit. If they don't they still have cover for their plays.

Am I being buddied again? First I’m the only person being reasonable, and now I’m first in your list of people who would play the doc the “right” way?

@ghug am I being buddied?

[Ezio]

@bunny go
https://gyazo.com/8d4644171803291b41f4b9bc0d90c7c9
Didn't you say you had no mafia losses on this forum and were therefore a perfect scum player who would call out kgray perfectly? Why does it look like you have 2 losses and 1 win? Am I misreading something?

I have no mafia losses, nor have I been daykilled as scum

I thought I was directing this to bunnygo not you. I thought bunny was giving me shit for townreading maniac for going after you, saying that he has gone after you as scum twice. I then gave him shit for being bad at scum, which he argued with by saying he has never lost as scum on the site.

Did I misunderstanding who was arguing with about which points?

[Ezio]

Point me to at least three people on the player list who, if doctor, wouldn't CC. We are living in by far the most likely world here, and I don't see how you could miss that.

Kgray, Ghug, Maniac at the very least.
Think of it this way. What's the upside for town doc to CC? If they get killed they flip and reveal my bullshit. If they don't they still have cover for their plays.

Am I being buddied again? First I’m the only person being reasonable, and now I’m first in your list of people who would play the doc the “right” way?

Is it buddying to recognize good players?

[kgray]

Shit maybe HB is actually scum and I just gave him the perfect cover ever.

Fuck me.

Nah

[kgray]

Point me to at least three people on the player list who, if doctor, wouldn't CC. We are living in by far the most likely world here, and I don't see how you could miss that.

Kgray, Ghug, Maniac at the very least.
Think of it this way. What's the upside for town doc to CC? If they get killed they flip and reveal my bullshit. If they don't they still have cover for their plays.

Yep - this checks out. In fact when HB asked me if he should expose a fake discard claimer, I advised him to consider if the fake claim could be town motivate (page 188).

@HB - do you see how Ezio’s fake discard claim could be townie in hindsight

Also I always thought the generally rule is don’t CC until you have to. People will bait a CC. Why give up you role too early?

Oof I haaaaate this post

[Ezio]

Once again, ghug can confirm like 95% of my games in the past were figuring out the identity of the best players on the site. I tried to figure out Xorxes first and foremost every game. He usually made it easy.
When he was town, I sheeped the shit outta him and made my game very easy. I didn't let dumbass town kill him for no reason.

[Ezio]

Kgray, Ghug, Maniac at the very least.
Think of it this way. What's the upside for town doc to CC? If they get killed they flip and reveal my bullshit. If they don't they still have cover for their plays.

Yep - this checks out. In fact when HB asked me if he should expose a fake discard claimer, I advised him to consider if the fake claim could be town motivate (page 188).

@HB - do you see how Ezio’s fake discard claim could be townie in hindsight

Also I always thought the generally rule is don’t CC until you have to. People will bait a CC. Why give up you role too early?

Oof I haaaaate this post

Can you say where I fucked up? What mistake did I make here? How did this all go so horribly wrong b/c of me?

[Ezio]

Yep - this checks out. In fact when HB asked me if he should expose a fake discard claimer, I advised him to consider if the fake claim could be town motivate (page 188).

@HB - do you see how Ezio’s fake discard claim could be townie in hindsight

Also I always thought the generally rule is don’t CC until you have to. People will bait a CC. Why give up you role too early?

Oof I haaaaate this post

Can you say where I fucked up? What mistake did I make here? How did this all go so horribly wrong b/c of me?

Even when I correctly ID players who I would expect to play the way I describe, it seems to go poorly. WTF is wrong?

[kgray]

@bunny go
https://gyazo.com/8d4644171803291b41f4b9bc0d90c7c9
Didn't you say you had no mafia losses on this forum and were therefore a perfect scum player who would call out kgray perfectly? Why does it look like you have 2 losses and 1 win? Am I misreading something?

I have no mafia losses, nor have I been daykilled as scum

I thought I was directing this to bunnygo not you. I thought bunny was giving me shit for townreading maniac for going after you, saying that he has gone after you as scum twice. I then gave him shit for being bad at scum, which he argued with by saying he has never lost as scum on the site.

Did I misunderstanding who was arguing with about which points?

No you’re right, and I knew what you meant, I was just bragging lmao

[Donny Dude]

Once again, ghug can confirm like 95% of my games in the past were figuring out the identity of the best players on the site. I tried to figure out Xorxes first and foremost every game. He usually made it easy.
When he was town, I sheeped the shit outta him and made my game very easy. I didn't let dumbass town kill him for no reason.

Why is it you go to ghug for advice on past games of yours?
I feel like this you saying look at meta = town when you have not played in awhile.

[kgray]

Once again, ghug can confirm like 95% of my games in the past were figuring out the identity of the best players on the site. I tried to figure out Xorxes first and foremost every game. He usually made it easy.
When he was town, I sheeped the shit outta him and made my game very easy. I didn't let dumbass town kill him for no reason.

I mean I will probably never be able to touch xorxes’ solving ability so you shouldn’t just sheep me. Except on HR, and on my townreads.

[Ezio]

Once again, ghug can confirm like 95% of my games in the past were figuring out the identity of the best players on the site. I tried to figure out Xorxes first and foremost every game. He usually made it easy.
When he was town, I sheeped the shit outta him and made my game very easy. I didn't let dumbass town kill him for no reason.

Why is it you go to ghug for advice on past games of yours?
I feel like this you saying look at meta = town when you have not played in awhile.

I go to ghug b/c frankly he's one of the only players from the old times who I trust undrstands me well. We have pretty good reads on each other, usually. As he described, I got him to flip his read on me at f3 in a game years ago by basically not posting the entire phase.
There's def a part of the argument is meta, but the significantly bigger deal is how good my play is in every world other than this specific one.

[kgray]

Oof I haaaaate this post

Can you say where I fucked up? What mistake did I make here? How did this all go so horribly wrong b/c of me?

Even when I correctly ID players who I would expect to play the way I describe, it seems to go poorly. WTF is wrong?

Why are you freaking out about this? I hated Maniac’s post.

[brainbomb]

Hi Donny! Can you make some posts that are substantial, not parroting and not asking shallow questions? Thanks!

I did not like ghug's post at all as it could be used by scum ghug to earn credit if hr is town by claiming a vague feeling.

Anyone who actually townreads HR should be the next daykill if he somehow flips town because it clearly shows they have too much info on their hands.

there are scenarios where he is. and he just isnt into this game and wants to troll