M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

You don't think his certainty N1 that you are the cop might be because he knows you are not mafia?

I think his certainty I am Cop comes from him using common sense.

Why should anyone be certain when it is an obvious thing for any mafia about to get DKed to do?

From my perspective my crumb was basically unchallengeable.

[kgray]

Some other hints at my Flum inno, as I tried to piece them in when I could:

Hey Chaqa, how do you feel about Flum so far?

He's been pretty unremarkable so far.

Unremarkable is a synonym for boring aka vanilla

Here's where I'm at. Justifications are present if there are any.

Town
Fluminator - troll!Flum is town!Flum
--snipped--

Full town read with little explanation, since I didn't need to think about it.

What’s the reason for all the Flum votes?

Me trying to (stealthily) begin pushing pressure off Flum

Stating that Flum is listed as town in that readslist being evidence that you were crumbing an inno on him is a huuuuge stretch. For reference, here are the other townreads you listed, most without any better explainations:

Town
BesharamSabi - good vibes, not seeing any obvious mistakes I feel a new player that rolled scum would make
damo666 - Town damo doing things I don't understand
Fluminator - troll!Flum is town!Flum
jasnah - Miller gg ez
kgray - Kgray actually is pretty easy for me to read when she's scum, mostly because I've been her teammate a bunch. I see town!Kgray here
President Eden - I'm town, so he must also be town, since we're the same person
TheFlyingBoat - I follow his posts and logic pretty well. One of my weaker townreads for sure

[Chaqa]

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To whatever extent these are convincing, worcej would not know about them at the start of N1.

Oh yeah, wasn't specific to worcej, it's just the first I've been on a computer for like two days and finally could grab them

[kgray]

Hi all, I'm still playing this game. I had a lot going on and needed to be alone. I'm going to try to catch up in here and on discord. In the meantime can yall give me a summary or what I missed? Please and thank you.

Also I'm sorry I was not talking and I realize that might make me sus. I truly was not in a great mental space (still very much not but that's a different story). I will understand if you made a wagon for me.

Welcome back. I think I will leave it to someone else to give you a summary since I am currently the lead wagon.

I'm sorry to hear that. What made everyone make you into a wagon? What have I missed?

Why is there about a hundred pages for day 2? How am I going to read all of this ugh.

Honestly, don't read all of it. If you want to know what people said about certain things (eg, the bozo wagon) you can search in the bot.

[Chaqa]

Some other hints at my Flum inno, as I tried to piece them in when I could:

He's been pretty unremarkable so far.

Unremarkable is a synonym for boring aka vanilla

Here's where I'm at. Justifications are present if there are any.

Town
Fluminator - troll!Flum is town!Flum
--snipped--

Full town read with little explanation, since I didn't need to think about it.

What’s the reason for all the Flum votes?

Me trying to (stealthily) begin pushing pressure off Flum

Question for you: Would scum!chaq make a play to decide to ready a cop claim from the start?

I'm incredibly lazy, so probably not.

[bozotheclown]

There were 13 minutes between EOD and worcej’s post. He made a brief comment saying he was around a minute before the deadline. I do not think there is abt evidence supporting the assumption that he wrote that post during the day phase.

And I feel like a broken record, but indignation and self-righteousness are not scum indicative, especially from worcej. I think the post points toward him wanting credit for being right, not towncred.

I am not suggesting he wrote it during D1, but in the 21 minutes between Chaqa claiming cop and the start of D2, he apparently did not consider the possibility that Chaqa could be scum fake claiming cop to avoid the DK or force a cop CC.

Also, he was only right if Chaqa was the real cop, so again that indicated he did not consider the alternative.

So if you feel Worcej is mafia, what do you make of the damo kill?

Because that also means they knew he wasnt the cop, if youre right in your assesment that he slipped allignment knowledge on Chaqa.

I don't know, but there are more than 1 mafia, and even worcej seemed to believe Chaqa N1 retraction was possibly true:

Anyone getting upset with me for fake claiming that was not upset with jasnah is a hypocrite.

No matter what DemonRHK says, my role is Mayor

Thank god I am not a hypocrite.

Why would you risk a CC intentionally just to save your own life like that?

It is also interesting that worcej seemed to think Chaqa fake claiming as town was a reasonable possibility.

[BesharamSabi]

What do you mean "on discord"?

Glad you're doing better.

Since everyone and their moms knows what happened on Saturday, I had received dozens of dms from people, including come in this game, that I needed to respond to. I put that tidbit in here so they knew I was not ignoring them and was going to respond.

Not a lot to catch you up on in the game.

I'd strongly recommend playing a more normal one with information before deciding if you enjoy this or not.

Some people think they know things. Only the scum team and PRs really do. Everyone else (which is most of us), are just bullshitting ourselves and others that we have any ability to tell what's happening, and some personalities are clashing.

Ahh OK I saw like over a hundred pages and seemed like a lot did happen. Can you explain what caused the different lead wagons? I trust your analysis.

[bozotheclown]

I think his certainty I am Cop comes from him using common sense.

Why should anyone be certain when it is an obvious thing for any mafia about to get DKed to do?

From my perspective my crumb was basically unchallengeable.

It is easy to fake crumbs like that.

[BesharamSabi]

Welcome back. I think I will leave it to someone else to give you a summary since I am currently the lead wagon.

I'm sorry to hear that. What made everyone make you into a wagon? What have I missed?

Why is there about a hundred pages for day 2? How am I going to read all of this ugh.

Honestly, don't read all of it. If you want to know what people said about certain things (eg, the bozo wagon) you can search in the bot.

Going to try doing that. I did check and see people were sus of me for my radio silence which is unfortunate but entirely understandable.

[Doom427]

I think his certainty I am Cop comes from him using common sense.

Why should anyone be certain when it is an obvious thing for any mafia about to get DKed to do?

From my perspective my crumb was basically unchallengeable.

Ok, what is this argument? It's hardly unchallengeable. Mafia!Chaqa could just look at posts on the seventh page and boom, a crumb, and that was the only thing you mentioned crumbing before EoD.

[Doom427]

Welcome back. I think I will leave it to someone else to give you a summary since I am currently the lead wagon.

I'm sorry to hear that. What made everyone make you into a wagon? What have I missed?

Why is there about a hundred pages for day 2? How am I going to read all of this ugh.

Honestly, don't read all of it. If you want to know what people said about certain things (eg, the bozo wagon) you can search in the bot.

Also, what is bot? How to reach it?
WebDip searching tools are not helping me rn

[kgray]

With all this discussion about how much time worcej had to process and second guess Chaqa's cop claim, I'm surprised bozo isn't considering how much time Chaqa had to reflect on allegedly outing himself.

If Chaqa is the cop and knows claiming makes him either a NK target or negates the usefulness of is role, why didn't he immediately retract the claim at the start of the day? He had the same 20 minutes worcej did to react, and he only retracted the claim after 30.

I think someone in scumchat pointed out that he needed to retract it.

[kgray]

I'm sorry to hear that. What made everyone make you into a wagon? What have I missed?

Why is there about a hundred pages for day 2? How am I going to read all of this ugh.

Honestly, don't read all of it. If you want to know what people said about certain things (eg, the bozo wagon) you can search in the bot.

Also, what is bot? How to reach it?
WebDip searching tools are not helping me rn

Oh, the webDip search is terrible haha

Bot is here: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/front_page

[Vecna]

glad to still have you with us sabi

[Chaqa]

Why should anyone be certain when it is an obvious thing for any mafia about to get DKed to do?

From my perspective my crumb was basically unchallengeable.

It is easy to fake crumbs like that.

Perhaps, but I'm not the kind of player to take a chance that I might pick someone who isn't a VT. How would I as scum know Flum was VT?

It only makes sense if he was my teammate. As Eden said before, there's very few people I would trust to make a play like that with, and Flum isn't one of them.

[kgray]

With all this discussion about how much time worcej had to process and second guess Chaqa's cop claim, I'm surprised bozo isn't considering how much time Chaqa had to reflect on allegedly outing himself.

If Chaqa is the cop and knows claiming makes him either a NK target or negates the usefulness of is role, why didn't he immediately retract the claim at the start of the night? He had the same 20 minutes worcej did to react, and he only retracted the claim after 30.

I think someone in scumchat pointed out that he needed to retract it.

[Chaqa]

Why should anyone be certain when it is an obvious thing for any mafia about to get DKed to do?

From my perspective my crumb was basically unchallengeable.

Ok, what is this argument? It's hardly unchallengeable. Mafia!Chaqa could just look at posts on the seventh page and boom, a crumb, and that was the only thing you mentioned crumbing before EoD.

I honestly didn't think I needed any more. I haven't been back on my computer since Day 1

[Chaqa]

With all this discussion about how much time worcej had to process and second guess Chaqa's cop claim, I'm surprised bozo isn't considering how much time Chaqa had to reflect on allegedly outing himself.

If Chaqa is the cop and knows claiming makes him either a NK target or negates the usefulness of is role, why didn't he immediately retract the claim at the start of the day? He had the same 20 minutes worcej did to react, and he only retracted the claim after 30.

I think someone in scumchat pointed out that he needed to retract it.

Umm... I did retract in like the first few minutes I was on:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=n1-&g=70

[BunnyGo]

Since everyone and their moms knows what happened on Saturday, I had received dozens of dms from people, including come in this game, that I needed to respond to. I put that tidbit in here so they knew I was not ignoring them and was going to respond.

Not a lot to catch you up on in the game.

I'd strongly recommend playing a more normal one with information before deciding if you enjoy this or not.

Some people think they know things. Only the scum team and PRs really do. Everyone else (which is most of us), are just bullshitting ourselves and others that we have any ability to tell what's happening, and some personalities are clashing.

Ahh OK I saw like over a hundred pages and seemed like a lot did happen. Can you explain what caused the different lead wagons? I trust your analysis.

Bozo is less engaged at the start of game than he often is. This has lead some people to tunnel on him (correctly or not) and start to think they see other issues.

Snowy people claim is less awesome than he has been in the past. No comment from me as I've never played with nor met snowy before.

Worcej may have been too credulous with the Chaqa claim for some.

I think that's the summary of the entry to viewing them with side eye. Might have missed something in which case I'm sure kgray will correct me.

[Bonatogether]

Yeah, but your case isn't good either.

How about rdr? Care to do a dive on him with me?

It's significantly better than 'my hackles are raised over a player I haven't played with in months'

Oh? Say more about that? Do you think that the answer to this game lies in catching the "nitpicking" words? That the player that cannot construct a case with no-flips is the scummier one? What methodologies to you think are "strong" in hunting?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'nitpicking' words?

There are still many ways to scumhunt in this situation. People are overstating the difference in that regard. Absolutely no self-driven effort and scumhunting until asked is still scummy under any circumstances.

I'm not sure. I'm going off of meta analysis here. VCA will be somewhat diminished in its usefulness, but it is still useable, to an extent. Nk analysis deserves some thought, even if it does get down into wifom