MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Look Worcej heres where I’m at

I am pretty consistently scumread and thusly killed for my playstyle, regardless if people know its normal for me or not

And I greatly dislike it because I feel like I have tried my damndest to prevent it by changing stuff in my play. However I’ve found its just not fun to do so, as it takes too much energy and just isnt fun

So obviously I’m going to be against killing people for playstyle. I’d be a hypocrite if I did not

This does feel like giving yourself an excuse to not catch any scum this game.

That is not what I said

Worcej wants to kill ghug/vecna/damo *purely* on how they act in general

I will find someone based on doing something out of character, and in general scummy

Such as Ghug throwing shade this game rather than making actual reads

[Vecna]

I tend to feel a town consensus is most often aligned towards shared bad direction. Especially early game the consensus tends to just be wrong for the sake of its own petulance. Individuals who pride themselves as game solvers tend to earn their voice as time rolls on which usually helps replace the bad mob mentality with one of confidence.

So killing within a pool of players who will eventually be confident seems worse than just letting the mob kill someone random.

My list of players would not probably include ghug as I think he is better at showing independent reasons why he is town in spite of his reads usually being wrong / reversed.

For example ghug will on occasion have a scum in his top tier town and have many weak and bad town among his desired kill choices. He gets killed by mafia teams who think he could be a PR mostly - not mafia teams scared of his abilities.

When he is mafia; you basically need him to die early or he will just win.

As mafia, I would actually be scared of ghug if town-chaqa is in the game as well and they both didnt wagon eachother on d1.

I still cant explain the things that weird duo has done by somehow sticking their tongues in eachothers brain

[brainbomb]

Circling back to the initial reason of why ghug, damo or vecna in your list worcej; is it that you fear them as scum good players or you think the risk / reward is more lucrative for killing one of them because theyre all great townplayers?

I dont usually have damo higher on a list of town player than say ; Bunny for example

[BunnyGo]

Well I certainly hope not, I’ve been trying to work on my towngame and getting D1ed is not it

Why do you think we’re nervous town?

Also could you say “I am town”?

i am not and have never been a member of the communist party

everytime you got D1ed, i cried. Everytime you didn't you were mafia tho, so... its really a toss up with you. I am on team let will play the game, and thus I shall be scum theorized with you until the end of time. alas

reading through the posts of people who haven't town claimed yet, and this stands out to me. it feels like Spirit is purposely evading the lie detector test.

##vote SpiritoftheRadio

I'll probably move my vote when they claim town, i just want to get some pressure on them to ensure that they do

Take some scum points

[Vecna]

To give another example: pirates seems like top town so far and his posts have been great. But as time goes on, inevitably at some point someone will say he seems off or he isnt doing as well as he was early and then he’ll just get eliminated randomly some late phase blitz

sounds about right

[brainbomb]

Im getting close to a full brainbomb game solve. Just need to see how bozo posts and this games gonna be basically done.

[Vecna]

I will make good on my pledge to be less frustrating; as this was an issue in the past. Therefore im going to just focus most of my energy on asking people why they feel certain ways and jump to basically no conclusions at all. So I expect ill just get eliminated for not being aggressive.

I will be doing the same

youre actually frustrating at times?

I doubt anyone has that idea about you. unless i missed some recent events

[BunnyGo]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

I feel like I have never seen ghug make a post like this.

Are ghug and worcej scum together?

I doubt it.

But have some town points.

[ND]

Look Worcej heres where I’m at

I am pretty consistently scumread and thusly killed for my playstyle, regardless if people know its normal for me or not

And I greatly dislike it because I feel like I have tried my damndest to prevent it by changing stuff in my play. However I’ve found its just not fun to do so, as it takes too much energy and just isnt fun

So obviously I’m going to be against killing people for playstyle. I’d be a hypocrite if I did not

This does feel like giving yourself an excuse to not catch any scum this game.

That is not what I said

Worcej wants to kill ghug/vecna/damo *purely* on how they act in general

I will find someone based on doing something out of character, and in general scummy

Such as Ghug throwing shade this game rather than making actual reads

When have you ever seen Ghug make a read or reason something? That's like waiting for a cow to fly over the moon?

#Make Web Dip Mafia Great Again

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Anyways lets move on, I dont feel like bringing this up anymore

@Bunny, what is your read on Spirit? I’ve notced you defending him once or twice, so I assume town

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Im getting close to a full brainbomb game solve. Just need to see how bozo posts and this games gonna be basically done.

What are your reads on Bunny and Spirit?

[ND]

Im getting close to a full brainbomb game solve. Just need to see how bozo posts and this games gonna be basically done.

Funny.

#Make Web Dip Mafia Great Again

[ghug]

So, we know worcej and brain are misguided town.

How do we know that from brain?

[Vecna]

I find "kill the scummy player" results in making very uninformed votes on D1 and just leads to a random kill within 5 minutes of phase change.

just get better at it and realize that people trying hard to act towny and being fake as fuck is what you should focus on instead.

I dont get why youre making this case though.

You never get involved day1.

This great concern for the common good feels like we should sniff you a bit more

[BunnyGo]

Welp rereading I see that food didnt even post in those pages and the posts I was thinking of were all by spirit not food. So, guess ill remember better next time

An unusual error for brain. But a towny one.

[ghug]

I suppose that I will accept the answer to my single query. I suppose that I will add some spaces next time around. I suppose that I will at some point give a few 'thoughts' or ahem 'vibes' although I suppose I already have to a limited extent.

Are you going to make a verifiable alignment statement? If not, why not?

Following the lead of his idol.

[ND]

I don't know how you people think you can make a read on anyone when some people haven't posted, interacted, voted and it hasn't even been 24 hours lol.

Crazy.

#Make WeB dip Mafia great Again

[worcej]

Worcej I’m not saying that we shouldn’t strive to do better

Why even play mafia if you are putting winning ahead of having fun? Idgaf if I lose or win, as long as I have fun

If you want to kill me for that, then go ahead lol you’re barking up the wrong tree

”fun” is a shit metric to try to prioritize because what is fun for you may not be fun for others. For the sake of this, please define what “fun” is for you.

In all seriousness though- When you signed up for this game, you’re signing a “contract” to play to your win condition. So I explicitly expect you to do that and not prioritize “fun”.

Look Worcej I think theres a disconnect

I do not play against my win condition

I am not accusing you of this, just notably telling you my expectation as another player is that you do this and have fun while doing it.

But I disagree that the thing that needs to change is killing people who disagree with consensus

I’m a little confused as to what you are saying

You think it is impossible to have fun primarily, while also trying to win?

You're clearly missing my point - I don't find disagreeing with consensus to be an issue, what I find to be the problem is that they will actively fight consensus in later stages of the game (again, my opinion here).

I do not think it's impossible to have fun primarily while trying to win, but again fun is very subjective.

Like right now, I'm having a fucking ball. Here's why:

1. It's entertaining as hell to argue killing ghug, damo, and Vecna on D1 over our normal shitshow of last second votes.
2. I find it incredibly fun to watch you actively fight against my proposal while not bringing anything relevant to the table on how to be better as town.
3. I find it fun to watch Vecna completely avoid commentary on my posts/opinion.
4. It's fun to watch BB try to be different but fall into similar tendencies (note: they aren't bad tendencies).
5. I am intrigued by what Bunny is planning right now, because we all know he has some sort of gimmick going on.

This is fun as hell for me. How about you Will? You having as much fun as me?

[Vecna]

Do you think the three players I named deserve to be kept past D1 just because they have their own opinions?

not just opinions, but experience and a strong ability to read others, as you yourself have said.

What do you prioritize in looking for when choosing a D1 kill?

Note: scum is a shit answer here.

DELTA

[brainbomb]

I will buy the entire mafia team copies of civ 7 founders edition to kill ND for us N1