MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

for the record, I would have probably killed worecj last night if i were scum too, since if I were scum I would be reading more closely and saw he didnt scum bozo as much as I thought and food said I was town right before night ended, so... he would have been a bad bet since he claimed he used his self save 2 nights ago so it was good to go again. Idk, I just dont see how you can even think its me seriously. It would require the dumbest decision making possible, and while I havent been that on the ball during this game, I am capable of reading the thread as scum and choose my best options and not send kills only at people who town read me going into the end game

This isn't what I was posting though - I clearly posted posts that showed bozo was being "protected" by scum.

I think you chose me over ND because I looked so obviously like I'd kill bozo.

[worcej]

Well, either food ties it or town loses. Fun, I'd prefer the game to end even if I lose rather than endure another night/day. Worecj, if you're town you're a fool. If you're scum, good game i suppose

If you're town, BB did one hell of a fucking job setting you up during the early game.

D&W went super hard into you to town you for no benefit for scum.

AND BOZO HAS BEEN TARGETTING ONLY PEOPLE WHO TOWN READ ME WORECJ, REASSESS THE GAME!!!

I mean... everyone but me has town read you...

[SpiritoftheRadio]

for the record, I would have probably killed worecj last night if i were scum too, since if I were scum I would be reading more closely and saw he didnt scum bozo as much as I thought and food said I was town right before night ended, so... he would have been a bad bet since he claimed he used his self save 2 nights ago so it was good to go again. Idk, I just dont see how you can even think its me seriously. It would require the dumbest decision making possible, and while I havent been that on the ball during this game, I am capable of reading the thread as scum and choose my best options and not send kills only at people who town read me going into the end game

This isn't what I was posting though - I clearly posted posts that showed bozo was being "protected" by scum.

I think you chose me over ND because I looked so obviously like I'd kill bozo.

not as much as ND. Look, I have fun playing, and if you kill me I at least get to laugh at you in the god thread because you're throwing the game as town, I consider this a win-win. If you want to win the game though, it really isnt me, if you look at any other piece of reasoning, you'll see it

[bozotheclown]

Well, either food ties it or town loses. Fun, I'd prefer the game to end even if I lose rather than endure another night/day. Worecj, if you're town you're a fool. If you're scum, good game i suppose

If you're town, BB did one hell of a fucking job setting you up during the early game.

D&W went super hard into you to town you for no benefit for scum.

AND BOZO HAS BEEN TARGETTING ONLY PEOPLE WHO TOWN READ ME WORECJ, REASSESS THE GAME!!!

What do you mean by targeting?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

If you're town, BB did one hell of a fucking job setting you up during the early game.

D&W went super hard into you to town you for no benefit for scum.

AND BOZO HAS BEEN TARGETTING ONLY PEOPLE WHO TOWN READ ME WORECJ, REASSESS THE GAME!!!

I mean... everyone but me has town read you...

because its obvious (also bozo is a person too, even if he's scum)

[worcej]

One problem with the “efficiency committee” idea worcej is advancing is it is just about ND over me, not Vecna, because we don’t know what scum knew. Vecna’s story had holes and it did not add up. I still think he was trying to get town to go along, to piss off scum, to get them to throw the game to him.

Let me go read some High Lord Vecna…

I actually already commented on the Vecna thing too:

So, without rediving and pulling all the quotes back up, I am fairly confident that spirit is the last scum.

The one thing not said yet: I don't think there is a world where bozo lets ghug get killed over Vecna on N5. The risk would be such a huge argument and BB would cave to bozo's non-stop logic.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

If you're town, BB did one hell of a fucking job setting you up during the early game.

D&W went super hard into you to town you for no benefit for scum.

AND BOZO HAS BEEN TARGETTING ONLY PEOPLE WHO TOWN READ ME WORECJ, REASSESS THE GAME!!!

What do you mean by targeting?

you didnt get the kill on food pal. I'm talking night kills, the last few at least.

[worcej]

The bozo/BB scum team does not strike me as willing to gamble on Vecna not outing them to the world.

scum!bozo would know that the 3p was very anti-scum and a liability they needed to deal with.

[foodcoats]

Are you saying we should not vote for people who were on Dip's wagon?

hi ik it's random to drop The Wall (balatro reference) after lurking for um a damn good while, but I've been vaguely following along with nothing to do cus my brain is totally fried rn but I've decided to iso dip specifically looking for interactions with this subset of people (this following post was prompted by the above discussion bit):

1. dip-N/A
2. Demon-dip had relatively consistent scumread on demon throughout EVERYTHING, and yet it seems mainly pushed them as a lurker candidate. idt demon is scum here, it just doesn't look like a proper bus.
3. bozo-post 513 is weird, idk what that means for first interaction. votes for lurking, and yet in the 1191 'reads list' seems to put them pretty high up, above null line on town side. And a few posts later (1262) immediately calls them out for lurking and being scummy. Lots of weird things going on here, likely deserves its own read through
4. food-not much tbh... a town read D2 is basically it, calls out food wagon for having "shitty reasons". Buddying? or scum partner? unclear rn. the 'forgot' on the readlist leans away from the latter though.
5. mimi-almost no interaction of substance, and yet kept close to the top of town during readlist (just outside proper town tier, and highest above null line). purpose unclear, but if maf this might be the place to hide (could be vec or bozo cus similar placement).
6. ND-dip votes ND very close to EOD1 (17 mins out), for 'info', and ties ND into the lead with 4. called out by bunny later, claims to want discussion and meaningful votes, probably just trying to weasel out a self preservation vote imo. changes his tune D2 and outright scumreads ND. it feels a bit opportunistic imo, idt it's a bus.


idk who I'm gonna vote for rn, maybe after reading bozo I get more...

this is his only post saying a lot day 3, then he votes mimi which if he had scanned, would have to have come back negative for blood if I'm not mistaken. I'm not seeing an obvious tell on a scan here, MAYBE a negative on demon? I dont think his accusation of ND is quite enough to signal to me he scanned him and got blood. Interested what others think

It’s really hard for me to see this kind of enthusiasm over possible crumbs as scummy.

I think it must be bozo or worcej.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I need to piss and get off this. Idk what you want worcej, I dont think youre scum, but i cant even believe how youre real right now

[foodcoats]

One problem with the “efficiency committee” idea worcej is advancing is it is just about ND over me, not Vecna, because we don’t know what scum knew. Vecna’s story had holes and it did not add up. I still think he was trying to get town to go along, to piss off scum, to get them to throw the game to him.

Let me go read some High Lord Vecna…

I actually already commented on the Vecna thing too:

So, without rediving and pulling all the quotes back up, I am fairly confident that spirit is the last scum.

The one thing not said yet: I don't think there is a world where bozo lets ghug get killed over Vecna on N5. The risk would be such a huge argument and BB would cave to bozo's non-stop logic.

But this assumes scum knew Vecna was 3P, right?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

The bozo/BB scum team does not strike me as willing to gamble on Vecna not outing them to the world.

scum!bozo would know that the 3p was very anti-scum and a liability they needed to deal with.

anyone with a brain would know that (see what I did there?). I dont think it tells you much. Scum had a plan, i am interested to read what it was. I would not have gone along with that, because its obviously dumb. As scum partners with BB before, I have advocated for my thoughts on kills a lot, Im not some little sheep mafia. I do dumb things sometimes but I do go my own way.

[foodcoats]

The bozo/BB scum team does not strike me as willing to gamble on Vecna not outing them to the world.

scum!bozo would know that the 3p was very anti-scum and a liability they needed to deal with.

I’m confused. This was the whole thing I was railing about. How did scum know 3P was Vecna? I read all the mechanics and I do not think they knew mechanically it was him. Have you seen a way it is possible?

[worcej]

One problem with the “efficiency committee” idea worcej is advancing is it is just about ND over me, not Vecna, because we don’t know what scum knew. Vecna’s story had holes and it did not add up. I still think he was trying to get town to go along, to piss off scum, to get them to throw the game to him.

Let me go read some High Lord Vecna…

I actually already commented on the Vecna thing too:

So, without rediving and pulling all the quotes back up, I am fairly confident that spirit is the last scum.

The one thing not said yet: I don't think there is a world where bozo lets ghug get killed over Vecna on N5. The risk would be such a huge argument and BB would cave to bozo's non-stop logic.

But this assumes scum knew Vecna was 3P, right?

I think BB was telling the truth that they knew since Vecna called him out and discussed if actions were redirected.

[bozotheclown]

AND BOZO HAS BEEN TARGETTING ONLY PEOPLE WHO TOWN READ ME WORECJ, REASSESS THE GAME!!!

What do you mean by targeting?

you didnt get the kill on food pal. I'm talking night kills, the last few at least.

I think you are still misrepresenting what ND said. Besides, everyone left was scum reading me, so it is easy for you to say I was targeting players who scum read me more than you.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

What do you mean by targeting?

you didnt get the kill on food pal. I'm talking night kills, the last few at least.

I think you are still misrepresenting what ND said. Besides, everyone left was scum reading me, so it is easy for you to say I was targeting players who scum read me more than you.

here's the thing, I know its the truth, because I know youre scum homie.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

What do you mean by targeting?

you didnt get the kill on food pal. I'm talking night kills, the last few at least.

I think you are still misrepresenting what ND said. Besides, everyone left was scum reading me, so it is easy for you to say I was targeting players who scum read me more than you.

I quoted ND in my reply, which you left off for some reason, read it again

It's a good question @food.

I don't have a case on Bozo or Spirit. It's more of a gut read on the situation and process of elimination. I am reasonably certain that it's not Worcej. He would have had to play against his wincon basically the entire game and almost got wagoned on D1 for really nothing. I don't think that's likely for a scum worcej to do. It's not him.

It's pretty clear that scum team were following a strategy of systematically hunting PR's or the 3P. Shots in the dark at people like Bunny/Damo kind of confirm that and they did hit town PR. Brain is obsessed with finding PR's. We got him to slip up. My gut tells me that Bozo would be a good pair to Brain in this instance based on the mafia kills. Not saying Spirit isn't capable of being strategic like this, but I know Bozo is.

I'll keep thinking about it and may go back through and do some kind of final analysis but my other analytical posts were really dogshit and my theory of the game was disproved twice. Hence my hesitance.

Here's another one

it's almost certainly bozo who is paired with brain.

[worcej]

The bozo/BB scum team does not strike me as willing to gamble on Vecna not outing them to the world.

scum!bozo would know that the 3p was very anti-scum and a liability they needed to deal with.

I’m confused. This was the whole thing I was railing about. How did scum know 3P was Vecna? I read all the mechanics and I do not think they knew mechanically it was him. Have you seen a way it is possible?

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.

I'm not voting for a draw - at this point it's fairly clear that the person that was going to be offered up was BB.

I kinda want to start hunting your partner, and I'm more inclined to go back to Spirit based off posts from you and Dip...

If you had done any homework at all, reread vecna. His interactions with me even yesterday showed he knew my alignment. He even knew that id been roleblocked and knew my emotion start of day was because my action failed n3

I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Worecj and bozo, if you are both somehow scum, just own up to it, the vote can be tied until you kill food and then you kill me and its over. I dont wanna keep scrapping with you, shit gets me all negative

[foodcoats]

I actually already commented on the Vecna thing too:

But this assumes scum knew Vecna was 3P, right?

I think BB was telling the truth that they knew since Vecna called him out and discussed if actions were redirected.

I think you are misunderstanding something. Go read brain’s D5 iso. I do not see him anywhere fully agreeing Vecna was 3P. And on N6 he actually explains why he did not believe Vecna’s claim.