M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

I've been town and 3P and nothing like this, haha

Its emc evolution and we still wanna kill him anyway.

what a sad story

How else can we discover what he has evolved into, unless we dissect his corpse?

Breeding is not possible in this harsh environment.

There's a corpse breeding thing here somewhere but I don't want, lol

[worcej]

Vote Count 2.0
e.m.c^42 (5) dargorygel, xorxes, flash2015, Jamiet99uk, TheMarche
BismarckAlive (4) kgray, rdrivera2005, summit_fever, foodcoats*
Nephthys (2) Chaqa, Foxcastle
Vecna (2) damo666, brainbomb
SarahK24 (1) bozotheclown
bozotheclown (1) SarahK24
Foxcastle (1) DemonRHK
Unvote (1) BismarckAlive
Chaqa (1) Nephthys

End-votes (1/20): foodcoats

Non-votes: e.m.c^42, Vecna

Currently EMC is set to be lynched. There are ~4 hours until EOD.

[Jamiet99uk]

Its emc evolution and we still wanna kill him anyway.

what a sad story

How else can we discover what he has evolved into, unless we dissect his corpse?

Breeding is not possible in this harsh environment.

There's a corpse breeding thing here somewhere but I don't want, lol

Mortuaries, dead of night
My body starts to rise
In my mind the horror lives
To feel death deep inside...

[e.m.c^42]

How else can we discover what he has evolved into, unless we dissect his corpse?

Breeding is not possible in this harsh environment.

There's a corpse breeding thing here somewhere but I don't want, lol

Mortuaries, dead of night
My body starts to rise
In my mind the horror lives
To feel death deep inside...

Oh, Jamie

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh EMC, did you just +1 my post?

[e.m.c^42]

Oh EMC, did you just +1 my post?

Oh I forgot, oops

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh EMC, did you just +1 my post?

Oh I forgot, oops

Well I was already voting for you.

You have spent a lot of time answering questions which I quite understand. Could you remind us who your own top three scumreads are. Who are you likely to vote for?

[Vecna]

##VOTE emc

I don't think the mystery is helping town in any way. Even if he was town tracker as he now claims, it is pointless to try to keep the specifics of how that came to be a secret.

Chaqa is also very much a suspect, but it makes more sense to find out what emc is first.

Does it though?

I presume its based on the karma milling chaqa and emc are doing like xorxes posited then

Oh, at this point I'm just +1'ing to keep track of where I'm at as far as reading the thread. I really think there's only two possibilities:

EMC is scum-aligned (Secretary? or w/e Donny was) after Donny's death
OR
EMC is town-aligned Tracker after Donny's death

I don't think he is a 3P variant of whatever Donny was, but I guess it's possible.

Well this is a decent post. But why would scum claim any relation to the dead person whatsoever? Seems pretty suicidal because suspicion is gonna mount through the roof? Would EMC as scum really have that much bravado and self confidence? I strongly doubt it because he's usually pretty meek as non-town.

Conditional Scum Universal Backup needed karma to gain powers in M41

huh

Still, quite different roles since theres no medieval age

##Vote Vecna

He said he would be busy today. It doesn't mean it was not an excuse, but I don't think this vote will do anything in terms of pressure at least until tomorrow.

What type of lame needling is this? Am I really gonna have to provide empirical proof whenever I saw I have some RL reason for being away? For 1 day? Maybe posts some pictures of our awesome balloon quarantine hideout? Id sure make you jealous!

This really is pretty sad though

Kgrey lost some points on that late counterwagon, but it's in the air since we don't know who the fuck Donny was.

Neph said something like this too, and it makes no sense to me. Do you really think I was trying to save my scum teammate Donny by putting the second wagon at 4 votes when Donny was at 12 and there were only 5 minutes to go? How in the world would that work?

Kgray is actually right here, that was a really terrible post from RHK

Neph said something like this too, and it makes no sense to me. Do you really think I was trying to save my scum teammate Donny by putting the second wagon at 4 votes when Donny was at 12 and there were only 5 minutes to go? How in the world would that work?

What were you doing, then? Deliberately plonking your vote on a wagon you didn't think was viable?

This strikes me as unlike Jamie. Kgray (and others', including me) reasoning for being on the Sarah wagon at EoD was well explained and discussed. Jamiet seems to be not paying attention?

Liking this chaqa post as well.

Finally catch up after exercising a bit.

I am not sure about lynching emc, I tend to believe the Tracker claim as it's a more or less provable role. But it's weird to consider we have a player without any alignment on D1 that change for the first lynch. I don't remember to ever have seen it. Will wait emc to explain it first before jumping on his wagon.

My top scumreads at this point are Bismarck, Nephtys and Dargo. Jamiet entered my list of people to watch and so do summit.

Food is town and Brain is town. Kgray is a solid townread and so do Vecna and TheMarche. I am townreading Xorxes and Chaga too. The others I am not so sure. Bozo and Demon need to be looked

Rdrivera also pretty decenty town

I'm offended that y'all think I'd be foolish enough to lie in this particular fashion as scum.

What was your wincon EMC? As 3p?

[Vecna]

Essentially, in all things that matter I am now Donny.

Even though I had a townread on you.....options, options

As a scum universal backup.....this would be a terrible claim to chaqa

As an actual 3rd party backup, if you just now got converted to scum, you'd obviously also just claim that he was town.

If you still are a 3rd party backup, you could also just claim this to signal to scum that youre working with them by not outting donny's true faction

[bozotheclown]

I have received additional information that is not available to the playerbase at large. After reviewing the information several times, I strongly conclude that emc is likely town - at least 66/33. Previously, I had claimed Donny was 51/49 scum; this sort of small-detail-becomes-mislynch is not at all unusual here (I fondly remember town mislynching Vaporwave for telling you we [scum] roleblocked him). In addition, I note that xorxes' continued inquisition against emc is based on incredibly poor thinking, which is out of character for xorxes, and xorxes is likely scum who has realized emc is tracker and wants to drive the mislynch. This makes me even more confident emc is town tracker; emc is probably scum only as often as an elf discovers a secret door merely by passing within 10 feet of it, or 1-in-6.

I will not reveal any additional details about this information unless it becomes strictly necessary - although I can say that it does not allow me to know an alignment or role with perfect certainty. Nonetheless, I believe it is valuable to keep the details of this hidden from scum, as the relevant ability is not one-shot. However, I believe that, for today, it would be very wise not to lynch emc. My assessment could still be wrong, even though I have great confidence the odds are in emc's favour as town.

Furthermore, irrespective of this secret information, it is absolutely astonishing the level of illogic that xorxes used last night to condemn emc. I actually got so frustrated that I self-voted and closed the game. xorxes is normally the model of careful consideration, but in this issue he has absolutely no explanation for why scum!emc would claim this complicated story at all, to Chaqa in the alleged QT or here in the main thread. scum!emc would just say... "I'm town. Don't want to reveal my role yet." Instead, emc has a story of holding a 3P role that is very unfamiliar to the playerbase here, that does something odd that doesn't even really look like a 3P role in some views. And xorxes is like the Native Americans who can't see Columbus's ships! He just cannot believe it... and therefore it must have been invented and be fake! And emc be scum! xorxes is not even able to grapple with this notion of motivation which is so, so important when understanding why scum do things. I believe it is because emc's story is pretty wild and hard to understand... and scum!xorxes wants to use that to kill the tracker.

I strongly urge town not to force me to reveal more information. Get a different wagon going. Do not lynch emc to determine if we were wrong about Donny!!! I have information about emc that very strongly points to emc now being town tracker.

I may be wrong but I would not be putting together even this admittedly hazy explanation unless I was confident that this is the right move for town. I will say again there's an outside chance I could be wrong, but it is marginal and it would be foolish, completely foolish, to go ahead with what is very very likely a mislynch.

This is the only new information I have seen since I was last online. I am not sure what to make of it, but I already did not want to lynch emc.

[Vecna]

Man, I should've just lied to Chaqa and made this a lot easier.

I believe EMC, actually

[e.m.c^42]

If you still are a 3rd party backup, you could also just claim this to signal to scum that youre working with them by not outting donny's true faction

Why would I, I'd get the scumchat if that was the case.

[e.m.c^42]

If you still are a 3rd party backup, you could also just claim this to signal to scum that youre working with them by not outting donny's true faction

Why would I, I'd get the scumchat if that was the case.

All of you do realise this right?

[e.m.c^42]

Oh EMC, did you just +1 my post?

Oh I forgot, oops

Well I was already voting for you.

You have spent a lot of time answering questions which I quite understand. Could you remind us who your own top three scumreads are. Who are you likely to vote for?

Sure, let me collate n quote. I had a bunch of individual statements but I don't think anyone bothered interacting lol

[bozotheclown]

Of my scum suspects list (BismarckAlive, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, SarahK24, and Vecna), I am less inclined to want to lynch BismarckAlive or Vecna based on their more recent posts. The other 5 have a total of 1 vote, which is my vote.

[xorxes]

If you still are a 3rd party backup, you could also just claim this to signal to scum that youre working with them by not outting donny's true faction

Why would I, I'd get the scumchat if that was the case.

You know this, or are you assuming?

[Vecna]

Do we want to discuss again massclaim? Perhaps it isn't that bad for town if there are lots of town powerful roles. If we know what we have perhaps we can co-ordinate better on how to verify each other.

Why do you want to massclaim now that scum have had a chance to coordinate their stories? You don't think we have enough info to lynch someone today?

If there was a secretary they could have already co-ordinated their stories even if we mass claimed the first day.

Given that we didn't get any info from the lynch and we didn't get much info from the EON, I worry that we don't have enough info to make a good decision on who to lynch. And I believe if we do a massclaim there may be other people that can verify emc's story. Or if there are other people that have a role that could help verify emc's story, would you suggest they say something?

Finally flash says something.....and its this. If he's so worried about being able to make good decisions at EoD, why is he playing like this? Its not like he was around at eod. Really not liking his slot.

Why would you have done that as town? As town your goal is not to survive at all costs or make things easier for yourself.

Because it would've flowed a lot smoother, provided the same amount of information, and maximized my chances of surviving to late/endgame.

I overestimated and underestimated some things about Chaqa lol.

Again, why would you be trying to maximize your chances of surviving to late/endgame if you were town, at the cost of hiding very relevant information to town (Donny's alignment).

Did you miss the part he's now supposedly a tracker, Xorxes? Pretty neat to hide that, dontcha think?

was he unreachable, could you not find him, did it simply say action failed

Is this trying to break a rule without breaking a rule?

I don't think so. A lot of other people have already said their actions failed.

DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEIR ACTION FAILED? BEFORE THIS? I DONT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL

If scum dont have daychat this might be someone signalling the correct answer

[Jamiet99uk]

If you still are a 3rd party backup, you could also just claim this to signal to scum that youre working with them by not outting donny's true faction

Why would I, I'd get the scumchat if that was the case.

All of you do realise this right?

No, he's suggesting a scenario in which you get the powers of Scum Donny, but remain a Third Party instead of becoming part of the Scumteam. (In that scenario you would not have Scum QT access).

Then, in the context of that scenario, he's suggesting you signalling to Scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEIR ACTION FAILED? BEFORE THIS? I DONT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL

If scum dont have daychat this might be someone signalling the correct answer

Yes. I had already quite heavily implied, by the time Brain said that, that I had a failed night action.

[Jamiet99uk]

DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEIR ACTION FAILED? BEFORE THIS? I DONT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL

If scum dont have daychat this might be someone signalling the correct answer

Yes. I had already quite heavily implied, by the time Brain said that, that I had a failed night action.

Read page 96 to see me quite clearly confirming I had a night action that re-directed onto Foodcoats and then failed.