M1010 Mini-Mafia

[damo666]

In other news - my work network finally got smart and blocked peterbot as games. If they block webdip I will need to become significantly better at reading the game via mobile...

are you not wfh?

[damo666]

In other news - my work network finally got smart and blocked peterbot as games. If they block webdip I will need to become significantly better at reading the game via mobile...

Ouch....
I use my phone most of the time tbh

I find it's much easier on laptop and only use phone when needs must

[worcej]

In other news - my work network finally got smart and blocked peterbot as games. If they block webdip I will need to become significantly better at reading the game via mobile...

are you not wfh?

I am an essential employee according to the US Government. I was WFH last week due to my mother’s possible diagnosis, but I was isolated for 14 days and did not show symptoms so now I am back to work.

[bozotheclown]

It is possible brainbomb is scum, but I would be surprised. I do not see what he would be trying to accomplish D1 EOD if Jamie was his partner.

What do you mean? When he was claiming Vengeful with a target on Jamie? Wouldn't that be just part of their show (if that's what it was)? Claiming PR could be giving Jamie an excuse not to vote for him.

Why bother doing that at EOD when it was looking like a very likely town lynch? Why did Jamie need an excuse not to vote for brainbomb when he could have just stayed on bo_sox?

[xorxes]

@worcej, can you remind me why you think bozo is scum?

I did a quick read to look for Jamie-bozo interactions, and there are few but most of them adversarial. Do you think this is fake, for example:

Jamie: read change at EOD to get BunnyGo lynched over bo_sox, could have been bussing Foxcastle

Bozo, I'm slightly exasperated here. I answered all of your questions earlier this phase, as honestly and in as much detail as my memory of D1 would enable me to do. Which, as you must have noticed, was actually quite a lot of detail. It seemed my answers had satisfied you, just a few pages ago. Yet your read on me does not appear to have changed one bit. If you think my answers are unconvincing or inconsistent, or if there is anything I did not address, then please let me know. Otherwise I fear your continued scumread on me must contain more than a little confirmation bias, and I am beginning to understand how Bo_Sox felt while you wrongly tunnelled him to death.

Scum can cooperatively answer questions as well. I do not know if I buy your read change of bo_sox 10 minutes before EOD.

Can you do an update on why you think he is scum? I'm not trying to set you up or anything, I'm not 100% sure about bozo, but I don't think there's anything terribly scummy about him either.

[bozotheclown]

Hopefully my teammates do better the rest of the game than I did. Good luck you two.

This post right here made me go 'oh shit... my gut was fucking off...'

Then the results come out, and I feel incredibly validated.

That is valid and you can lord over us all if he does flip town. But at this point it would be a terribly idea to mob someone else.

You ready? Let me set the table.

*pulls out some silverware and a plate, places a bunch of shit on it*
I.
TOLD.
YOU.
ALL!

Eat that plate and will you fools actually look at scummy bozo and rdr now?!

[xorxes]

But beyond her, it seems to me that xorxes may have different baseline expectations for each individual person. I am pointing that out as being convenient because he could move them at will with little recourse.

I most definitely have different expectations for each person. I think most/all of us do. I expect brainbomb to be the top poster of the game, for example. When he isn't, something is strange. I'm not all that surprized if rivera is the lowest poster. So my expectations for rivera and brainbomb are pretty much opposite in that regard. I expect you to read the thread because even when you are several pages behind you almost make it a point to let us know that you are reading everything. So when you don't, that's noticeable.

I only did not do that because people expressed it is annoying when I did. So which is it?

You should read the thread in full. You don't need to comment on everything as you read, but I'm not one of those who mind terribly unless it is pointless comments or very outdated.

But it's two separate things. One thing is to read everything so you know what's going on. A separate thing is commenting on everything.

[brainbomb]

##Vote damo

Its odd how hes disappeared all day after achoring on me

[brainbomb]

jamie and damo wouldve dedicated time to bussinh each other. hard to say that damo knew jamie would actually flip

[bozotheclown]

Going to bed, in case I don’t live - look at rdr and bozo. I have been preaching this from the moon and back, maybe someone might listen.

Damo seems off as well. I didn’t like the comment that bo was pushing for a mislynch. I feel like I am seeing more words in his posts than I am used to.

Not sure on Brain - I think he falls into frustrated town but if he is scum, we really all suck for giving him a pass this long after his weird claims.

Jamie / xorxes / Fox are my towncore atm. Emc and sarah need to do more, cannot really place them well and their contributions are lackluster.

worcej's reads of rdrivera and Jamie were proven wrong, yet he is still sure I am scum, even though he never says why.

[xorxes]

It is possible brainbomb is scum, but I would be surprised. I do not see what he would be trying to accomplish D1 EOD if Jamie was his partner.

What do you mean? When he was claiming Vengeful with a target on Jamie? Wouldn't that be just part of their show (if that's what it was)? Claiming PR could be giving Jamie an excuse not to vote for him.

Why bother doing that at EOD when it was looking like a very likely town lynch? Why did Jamie need an excuse not to vote for brainbomb when he could have just stayed on bo_sox?

I don't know. You and rivera thought he was very obviously trying to set bo_sox up for the next day. That never seemed extremely convincing to me, but maybe that was the reason. But Jamie and brain had been fighting a lot, so if Jamie was going to change he needed a reason for it to be to someone other than a teammate.

But that's all speculation. I don't think it makes brainbomb look worse. I'm not sure how it makes him look better either.

[bozotheclown]

Incorrect - I caught what rdr said but didn't want to illicit needless attention by moving or asking more about it. I kept my vote with time to spare to make a change. He decided to explicitly comment after his hidden claim.

I knew what you were getting at when you said 'Are you caught up?' and I responded.

Do you mean this:

The case for damo - him getting votes and being a wagon.
I think that there is a good possibility that a lot of the posts today are theater. The key component of this is pairing involving yourself, bozo, rdr, Jamie, and Brain.

I'm not sure you know even now where his hidden claim was.

In any case, it is not very relevant anymore. The point here is that you and Fox voting together for Jamie means absolutely nothing about either of your alignments or whether or not you can be teammates.

This was what I saw that tipped me off:

You're right. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reasons, because it's more about tone. I will try to come up with something better.

I may still go back to brain, but I'm not so sure anymore as I was before, given how laid back Fox and worcej have been with their votes.

Yes, Fox is really possible. Worcej I give the benefit of being the target of Brain fake claim.

Also, do you think I played right? I was expecting to have another night, but it was clear it won't happen.

This is what worcej said tipped him off about rdrivera's soft claim, but after that he was still scum reading rdrivera:

Do you still scumread me? Because we need to vote together and it's not on Brainbomb.

I question your motives and find you behaving differently than in the past. I have always thought you have to vary your game up because you have a tendency to draw scum so seeing something that isn't on brand for you raises my suspicions heavily.

I think Jamie's defense to being the wagon comes off as town based on the amount of frustration.

I don't know what to say about brain. Misquoting intentionally to make a case on someone else doesn't strike me as town behavior, but it is also too stupid to do as scum. But he is by far the scummiest individual in the game currently.

The damo thing is hard for me because I am trying my hardest to not instant tunnel him like I usually do.

My scum team theory is currently rdr, bozo, brain but I also wouldn't be shocked if it was a rdr, bozo, xorxes setup at this point. Kill analysis would lead me to believing that these groups are in play because the remaining players can easily be scummed to death via theater.

[bozotheclown]

I messed up the quotes.

You see Xorxes when I do an ISO on someone and change or update my read on them, as you have seen me do many times, you'll notice that I have the courtesy to quote or summarise the parts which stand out to me, page numbers and all.

What you are doing is saying "Oh, I have done an ISO on Jamie and I have completely reversed my opinion. Yes, he's scum, no doubt," leaving me nothing I can respond to.

Classic dirty tactics right there.

You're right. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reasons, because it's more about tone. I will try to come up with something better.

I may still go back to brain, but I'm not so sure anymore as I was before, given how laid back Fox and worcej have been with their votes.

Yes, Fox is really possible. Worcej I give the benefit of being the target of Brain fake claim.

Also, do you think I played right? I was expecting to have another night, but it was clear it won't happen.

This is what worcej said tipped him off about rdrivera's soft claim, but after that he was still scum reading rdrivera:

I question your motives and find you behaving differently than in the past. I have always thought you have to vary your game up because you have a tendency to draw scum so seeing something that isn't on brand for you raises my suspicions heavily.

I think Jamie's defense to being the wagon comes off as town based on the amount of frustration.

I don't know what to say about brain. Misquoting intentionally to make a case on someone else doesn't strike me as town behavior, but it is also too stupid to do as scum. But he is by far the scummiest individual in the game currently.

The damo thing is hard for me because I am trying my hardest to not instant tunnel him like I usually do.

My scum team theory is currently rdr, bozo, brain but I also wouldn't be shocked if it was a rdr, bozo, xorxes setup at this point. Kill analysis would lead me to believing that these groups are in play because the remaining players can easily be scummed to death via theater.

[xorxes]

Yes, I think worcej was changing his story around about when he saw the claim and how he reacted to it.

[worcej]

@worcej, can you remind me why you think bozo is scum?

I did a quick read to look for Jamie-bozo interactions, and there are few but most of them adversarial. Do you think this is fake, for example:

Bozo, I'm slightly exasperated here. I answered all of your questions earlier this phase, as honestly and in as much detail as my memory of D1 would enable me to do. Which, as you must have noticed, was actually quite a lot of detail. It seemed my answers had satisfied you, just a few pages ago. Yet your read on me does not appear to have changed one bit. If you think my answers are unconvincing or inconsistent, or if there is anything I did not address, then please let me know. Otherwise I fear your continued scumread on me must contain more than a little confirmation bias, and I am beginning to understand how Bo_Sox felt while you wrongly tunnelled him to death.

Scum can cooperatively answer questions as well. I do not know if I buy your read change of bo_sox 10 minutes before EOD.

Can you do an update on why you think he is scum? I'm not trying to set you up or anything, I'm not 100% sure about bozo, but I don't think there's anything terribly scummy about him either.

In an effort to explain it all more clearly utilizing my own posts...

First:

She has not had any pressure other than people asking her to explain her vote, as far as I can tell. What pressure are you seeing?

Thank u for worrying but I am a-okay as a person lol

@Sarah - "pressure" is a short term for the amount of people following up with you and asking repetitive questions. If that hurt you as a person, then get ready for me to ruin your soul if I start scumming you later.

@xorxes - Do you not think it's weird that bozo was focused on her in an effort to build a case on Bo? That was my takeaway from the exchange.

Maybe I was alone, but my takeaway from bozo on D1 as he picked at Sarah was making a connection to Bo due to the vote timing. He fleshed out more details as it went on, but it felt contrived and artificial at the time.

Second:

My inclination is to stick to voting for people who are being different from an established behavior - which means this excludes kgray and Sarah. I think both are town at this point anyways, so meh.

This drives me to rdr, bozo, emc, and damo as a grouping. Of which, bozo and rdr strike me as the most potential scum. I don't think any traction is going to develope for rdr, because I literally brought it up earlier and got maybe one response from the question, so I'll go with bozo. Reasoning should be obvious if you're reading what I am posting.

##vote bozo

Sorry, it's not obvious to me. To clarify: you think bozo is different because he didn't do a survey, and scummy because he built his case on bo based on what Sarah did? What do you think about bozo voting for Fox?

In order:

1. Yes, the lack of a dumb survey is abnormal from bozo. Additionally, his focus on a new player is not normal to me - 19 of his 54 posts are directed at her by my count. I'd expect more of this from an established player because he could get someone to crack, but it just seems too contrived/forced. To then transition it to saying Bo needs to be flipped to confirm her is a weird stretch. As you may know, I hate the team pairs logic, especially this early in the game, and it is weak reasoning to push a lynch.
2. I think bozo is voting with little reason and is being opportunistic, which strikes me as being easy to do as scum. Scum don't want to stick their ass out so that it gets burned - they are cautious.

All of the above still apply, even with the D2 lynch of bo.

Third:

Why do you town bozo?

Because his pushes have made sense to me. I will reread him to make sure I'm not being bamboozled. Without using the word "cautious", why do you scumread him?

I don't think he's trying to hunt. He is focused on Bo.

But what happens if bozo is wrong? I see Fox as his next push because he is setting the stage up for that with his comments about kgray's reads. FWIW - I currently town-read Bo based on his responses to the pressure and divisiveness towards the scum reads he is getting. I've seen it before and thought he was scum and was wrong.

Still also true - he focused on Bo and is (finally) today living up to a push on Fox. He includes me too, but has been consistently looking at both of us for some time.

Fourth:

Sorry, I see the issue - auto correct screwed me. Dismissive is what I wanted.

bo_sox was not dismissive D1, that is new to D2.

Yes. Did you not notice how my quoted posts were from D2?

At the time, I took this as him trying to shade my reads with the conversation with you. I took it as an attempt to discredit my points and he did it with a mistake.

Fifth:

Here is my list from top scum read to top town read:

worcej: too confident bo_sox was town, bad reasons for his votes on me

Foxcastle: I do not like his scum claim, refused to answer my questions D2

Jamie: read change at EOD to get BunnyGo lynched over bo_sox, could have been bussing Foxcastle

xorxes: I do not agree with his characterization of D1 EOD, I would not expect him to want BunnyGo to risk a shot

brainbomb: fake PR claim when at risk of getting lynched, could have been bussing Foxcastle

SK24: too little information to read, but being overly cautious could point to scum

rdrivera: looks OK, but could be lurking as scum

damo: reaction to bo_sox seems town

emc: his comments seem to be from a town perspective


Some scum teams that seem possible to me:

worcej/Foxcastle/Jamie
worcej/xorxes/brainbomb
worcej/xorxes/SK24
worcej/Jamie/brainbomb
xorxes/Jamie/brainbomb
Foxcastle/Jamie/brainbomb

So now I am scum because I was right about someone being town and am upset that your ego once again got in the way of trying to listen to me? I look forward to this bullshit.

Simply put, an OMGUS from someone I am not used to seeing one. Kinda a meh reason after the effort I felt he was beginning to plant.

Sixth:

Are we talking about the same last game? I was scum last game, and I was arguing against lynching you when you almost got lynched, which was not until D5. I also never thought it was likely you were scum. So, my question was, why do you think you looked bad? You never claimed you were scum or refused to answer questions.

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

How did he forget who he scanned so quickly? This game is not that old. He knew Fox was town on D5 when he 'defended' him. This falls into one of those little lies to discredit Fox in this game to help push the scum narrative.

[xorxes]

People should be here for EOD, or at least tell us if they won't be able to.

Where is everybody?

[bozotheclown]

What do you mean? When he was claiming Vengeful with a target on Jamie? Wouldn't that be just part of their show (if that's what it was)? Claiming PR could be giving Jamie an excuse not to vote for him.

Why bother doing that at EOD when it was looking like a very likely town lynch? Why did Jamie need an excuse not to vote for brainbomb when he could have just stayed on bo_sox?

I don't know. You and rivera thought he was very obviously trying to set bo_sox up for the next day. That never seemed extremely convincing to me, but maybe that was the reason. But Jamie and brain had been fighting a lot, so if Jamie was going to change he needed a reason for it to be to someone other than a teammate.

But that's all speculation. I don't think it makes brainbomb look worse. I'm not sure how it makes him look better either.

brainbomb would not have known Jamie was about to get BunnyGo lynched over bo_sox.

Jamie had voted for brainbomb, BunnyGo, and Foxcastle D1 before bo_sox. I think Jamie was bussing Foxcastle, brainbomb seems less liekly.

[bozotheclown]

likely

[worcej]

I messed up the quotes.

You're right. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reasons, because it's more about tone. I will try to come up with something better.

I may still go back to brain, but I'm not so sure anymore as I was before, given how laid back Fox and worcej have been with their votes.

Yes, Fox is really possible. Worcej I give the benefit of being the target of Brain fake claim.

Also, do you think I played right? I was expecting to have another night, but it was clear it won't happen.

This is what worcej said tipped him off about rdrivera's soft claim, but after that he was still scum reading rdrivera:

I question your motives and find you behaving differently than in the past. I have always thought you have to vary your game up because you have a tendency to draw scum so seeing something that isn't on brand for you raises my suspicions heavily.

I think Jamie's defense to being the wagon comes off as town based on the amount of frustration.

I don't know what to say about brain. Misquoting intentionally to make a case on someone else doesn't strike me as town behavior, but it is also too stupid to do as scum. But he is by far the scummiest individual in the game currently.

The damo thing is hard for me because I am trying my hardest to not instant tunnel him like I usually do.

My scum team theory is currently rdr, bozo, brain but I also wouldn't be shocked if it was a rdr, bozo, xorxes setup at this point. Kill analysis would lead me to believing that these groups are in play because the remaining players can easily be scummed to death via theater.

Another fucking lie. I did not say that I was tipped off by rdr by his question there.

[Foxcastle]

I do sometimes wonder if Worcej has buddied me.

Explicitly avoiding a fight with me, echoing me on being scumread, saying Rdrivera knew I was town when that wouldn't have been the case...