Mafia 57 Matrix

[Tom Bombadil]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we use the anti-viral on Bunny, don't we have an extra daykill?

8-5-1 currently, yeah?

Kill Bunny - 7-5 KILO guaranteed.

But if we anti-viral Bunny (I think this goes off before the shot)
Let's say we miss on today's daykill - 7-5-1
Then tomorrow it's a 6-5 KILO

I'd rather have two shots at getting scum than one, if you ask me.

Well hey.

I agree with this.

the anti-virus needs majorty vote from the ship. Bunny obviously would not vote for it - so you'd be counting having a town majority on the ship, because otherwise if we flip wrong today the game is over. (I think)

[Jamiet99uk]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we use the anti-viral on Bunny, don't we have an extra daykill?

8-5-1 currently, yeah?

Kill Bunny - 7-5 KILO guaranteed.

But if we anti-viral Bunny (I think this goes off before the shot)
Let's say we miss on today's daykill - 7-5-1
Then tomorrow it's a 6-5 KILO

I'd rather have two shots at getting scum than one, if you ask me.

If there's two mafia on the boat, or one and they've lost someone besides damo they can vote with Bunny and make the antiviral not happen. Nanook seems to believe that there's a credible enough risk of that that we shouldn't do it.

Then Nanook should tell us who he thinks the Ship-based scum are.

You seem strangely opposed to town having full information, Ghug.

[Hellenic Riot]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we use the anti-viral on Bunny, don't we have an extra daykill?

8-5-1 currently, yeah?

Kill Bunny - 7-5 KILO guaranteed.

But if we anti-viral Bunny (I think this goes off before the shot)
Let's say we miss on today's daykill - 7-5-1
Then tomorrow it's a 6-5 KILO

I'd rather have two shots at getting scum than one, if you ask me.

This is reliant on two things:

A) That there aren't enough scum on the Neb to block the antivirus from succeeding (which if there's 4 people on it like Nanook implied and one is the virus, means only 1 of them has to be scum)

And

B) That even if the Antivirus succeeds, the Turncoat never gets redpilled - because the bonus NK that the scum would get then takes us back down to MILO.

I explained this in the Math post.

[Tom Bombadil]

ALso, Jamie - on first glance the compelling part of your case is HR's interaction with TFB which I will reread.

A lot of the rest of relies directly on emc being scum, which I don't buy. I also think HR's disgust at the emc D1 wagon seen as emc was getting voted for out of game reasons HR was likely unware of.

[ghug]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we use the anti-viral on Bunny, don't we have an extra daykill?

8-5-1 currently, yeah?

Kill Bunny - 7-5 KILO guaranteed.

But if we anti-viral Bunny (I think this goes off before the shot)
Let's say we miss on today's daykill - 7-5-1
Then tomorrow it's a 6-5 KILO

I'd rather have two shots at getting scum than one, if you ask me.

If there's two mafia on the boat, or one and they've lost someone besides damo they can vote with Bunny and make the antiviral not happen. Nanook seems to believe that there's a credible enough risk of that that we shouldn't do it.

Then Nanook should tell us who he thinks the Ship-based scum are.

You seem strangely opposed to town having full information, Ghug.

I'm strongly opposed to scum having full information before they need it, though now that Trinity is formally outed, maybe we should just get everything on the table.

[Tom Bombadil]

So do we think goldie is town for suggesting this anti-virus? That was my initial impression.

THough he could be scum, and know they have folks on the ship and got greedy.

I tend to believe the former rather than the later.

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't think we should out who else is on the ship unless Nanook is certain they're scum.

Nanook will surely be killed tonight, but if the other people on the ship are outed and they are town, then the scum will just kill them one by one and increase their odds of being able to take over the ship.

[goldfinger0303]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we use the anti-viral on Bunny, don't we have an extra daykill?

8-5-1 currently, yeah?

Kill Bunny - 7-5 KILO guaranteed.

But if we anti-viral Bunny (I think this goes off before the shot)
Let's say we miss on today's daykill - 7-5-1
Then tomorrow it's a 6-5 KILO

I'd rather have two shots at getting scum than one, if you ask me.

If there's two mafia on the boat, or one and they've lost someone besides damo they can vote with Bunny and make the antiviral not happen. Nanook seems to believe that there's a credible enough risk of that that we shouldn't do it.

I'll have to re-read, but why do we think that there's scum on the ship? Let alone two scum on the ship?

[ghug]

I don't think we should out who else is on the ship unless Nanook is certain they're scum.

Nanook will surely be killed tonight, but if the other people on the ship are outed and they are town, then the scum will just kill them one by one and increase their odds of being able to take over the ship.

The ship goes away when Bunny wins.

[ghug]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we use the anti-viral on Bunny, don't we have an extra daykill?

8-5-1 currently, yeah?

Kill Bunny - 7-5 KILO guaranteed.

But if we anti-viral Bunny (I think this goes off before the shot)
Let's say we miss on today's daykill - 7-5-1
Then tomorrow it's a 6-5 KILO

I'd rather have two shots at getting scum than one, if you ask me.

If there's two mafia on the boat, or one and they've lost someone besides damo they can vote with Bunny and make the antiviral not happen. Nanook seems to believe that there's a credible enough risk of that that we shouldn't do it.

I'll have to re-read, but why do we think that there's scum on the ship? Let alone two scum on the ship?

They've roleblocked Trinity twice and found the virus, so it seems pretty likely.

If Nanook were inclined, he could tell us whether new members of the ship knew which person was which role.

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't think we should out who else is on the ship unless Nanook is certain they're scum.

Nanook will surely be killed tonight, but if the other people on the ship are outed and they are town, then the scum will just kill them one by one and increase their odds of being able to take over the ship.

The ship goes away when Bunny wins.

Good point. It's possible that we end up taking the risk and eliminating someone other than Bunny today though - A lot of people have yet to chime in there. If we kill outside of him we absolutely should not be outing who is on the ship.

[ghug]

Tom, what do you make of the fact that emc has been viewing this forum about as much as me and HR since EoN but still hasn't said anything?

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't think we should out who else is on the ship unless Nanook is certain they're scum.

Nanook will surely be killed tonight, but if the other people on the ship are outed and they are town, then the scum will just kill them one by one and increase their odds of being able to take over the ship.

If there is one scum on the ship, then presumably scum know everyone who is on the ship.

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't think we should out who else is on the ship unless Nanook is certain they're scum.

Nanook will surely be killed tonight, but if the other people on the ship are outed and they are town, then the scum will just kill them one by one and increase their odds of being able to take over the ship.

If there is one scum on the ship, then presumably scum know everyone who is on the ship.

Yes, but if there isn't, then giving them that information is stupid.

[ghug]

I don't think we should out who else is on the ship unless Nanook is certain they're scum.

Nanook will surely be killed tonight, but if the other people on the ship are outed and they are town, then the scum will just kill them one by one and increase their odds of being able to take over the ship.

The ship goes away when Bunny wins.

Good point. It's possible that we end up taking the risk and eliminating someone other than Bunny today though - A lot of people have yet to chime in there. If we kill outside of him we absolutely should not be outing who is on the ship.

Fair

[Nanook]

New people were explicitly not told which of me/bunny were virus/trinity


Jamie playing so anti-town I kinda want to yolo it tbh


Anyone bitching about “nanook you played so badly,” a) shut the fuck up I’m not the one pushing flash wagon after flash wagon onto town, b) shut the fuck up I’m doing my best here, I don’t have good reads in large part cause you’re all strangers to me, and c) shut the fuck up cause it’s wildly unproductive to bitch about “Nanook’s so stupid that guy’s so dumb we’re losing the game because of him”

I’m doing what I can so back the fuck off, it’s fucking irritating to hear this shit when day after day you lot keep killing town. Yeah I’ve played poorly, so has basically everyone here that’s town, now put on a stiff upper lip and get over it.

[BunnyGo]

New people were explicitly not told which of me/bunny were virus/trinity


Jamie playing so anti-town I kinda want to yolo it tbh


Anyone bitching about “nanook you played so badly,” a) shut the fuck up I’m not the one pushing flash wagon after flash wagon onto town, b) shut the fuck up I’m doing my best here, I don’t have good reads in large part cause you’re all strangers to me, and c) shut the fuck up cause it’s wildly unproductive to bitch about “Nanook’s so stupid that guy’s so dumb we’re losing the game because of him”

I’m doing what I can so back the fuck off, it’s fucking irritating to hear this shit when day after day you lot keep killing town. Yeah I’ve played poorly, so has basically everyone here that’s town, now put on a stiff upper lip and get over it.

+10

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh I'm sorry yes people shouting about how clever they are and how stupid everyone else is, and how we shouldn't speak or ask questions, that's so pro-town.

Right.

[Jamiet99uk]

Nanook literally spent the first Night phase telling everyone else what morons they were, and nothing else.

Go
Fuck
Yourself.

[Tom Bombadil]

And who said mafia isn’t fun