M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Balki Bartokomous]

You guys should try out this Dousing wagon. It's comfy.

[Fluminator]

I'm doing work until closer to deadline.

Not interested in voting Dip without any case.
Not interested in voted Ghug yet even though he susses me tsk tsk. (I forgot he was a wagon actually)
I find Jamiet a little scummy but I also do feel bad voting him, so consider my vote half on Ifischl.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm doing work until closer to deadline.

Not interested in voting Dip without any case.
Not interested in voted Ghug yet even though he susses me tsk tsk. (I forgot he was a wagon actually)
I find Jamiet a little scummy but I also do feel bad voting him, so consider my vote half on Ifischl.

Any thoughts on Dousing?

[Fluminator]

You guys should try out this Dousing wagon. It's comfy.

I know it's the most annoying question when I'm sure you've said it before, but can you give me the reasons again. Or is it an easy find in your iso lol

[Balki Bartokomous]

You guys should try out this Dousing wagon. It's comfy.

I know it's the most annoying question when I'm sure you've said it before, but can you give me the reasons again. Or is it an easy find in your iso lol

page 143:

Just read Dousing ISO. Eek.

##vote Dousing

I hadn't really focused on Dousing until this point, but in the back of my mind I had him sorted as Town.

Reading his ISO, a few things stand out:

(1) He has this take on Fluminator and the tadpole early on and then much of his day is about that thing. Just feels like he may be using Flum/tadpole as a crutch for engagement rather than showing much curiosity or interest in the rest of the game. Then says without trying to be ironic: "I feel like we’re spending 90% of our energy talking about the tadpole. Is there a chance we’re that the tadpole is a bit of a red herring?"

(2) Keeps telling us that he has been reading lots of pages but keeps his focus very narrow on a handful of subjects.

(3) Makes a long post about the various reasons mafia might have killed Kak without really saying anything at all.

(4) Concludes "Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far" while not townreading Foxcastle, which seems like just the right note to play as a Wolf, whether partnered with Fox or not, as it further discredits me while taking no committed position on any alignment.

I think this is a good flip.

[sweetandcool]

Hmmm, probably four Town on fisch.

I should show respect and make the team play.

##VOTE lfischl

It's not a bad wagon, but I'm unsure what we will learn.

[Bonatogether]

my point is that it makes the whole thing dumb as rocks - if there's a clearly laid out case, voting is taking a position on that case. this d1, people spent more time arguing about if a case existed than about the actual cases. this is posting without positioning, and it's probably difficult to discern anything from it atm. (inb4 someone says 'bona says no rereading! bona says no rereading!' that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that there's an extra layer of shit compared to normal)

I think people did this because the cases on people werent good;
HB cracked under pressure from damo, who never explained his case
lfischl's case was never made(?) atleast not that Im aware of
My case was a flash wagon kept alive from two people who were AFK and didnt have a reason for voting me in the first place
Flum's wagon did have a reasoning behind it...but nothing else really came up so I had to kill it
Dip's wagon didnt gain steam quick enough so we were forced back into the HB & Damo question

All of the wagons were weak D1 and damo being alive right now gives us more questions than answers.

this post just reminded me of something.

lfischl did not attack anyone over getting voted.

As town the slot always lurked a bit, but it would always come out of hiding to attack people voting them with genuine righteous indignation. This has been a consistent characteristic i remember occuring in a number of games.

Anyone have any more recent meta-stuff that jives with or disagrees with ny assesment that this could be a thing?

soft meta accusation, asking for exterior confirmation because unwilling to take a stand

scum!

[Col7by]

I don’t think that dip or Jamie are scum from posts/the framing kak made. More so feel for how conversations are going. I do think bunny has felt wish/washy sighting when someone said that he was saying dip was town then voted for dip when they had a lot of votes. Not sure if meant anything just wanted to point out

[Bonatogether]

Flavius literally got offended by my townread of him. That is not scum behavior.

I'm willing to give pass to people who pushed damo only on day 1, but the people pushing him today are on thin ice.

I have NO recollection of this; what on earth are you talking about? Why would I be OFFENDED that you are thinking Im a townie? This doesnt make any sense and I dont know why you keep making it, show me where it happened or I dont believe you

eagerly digging in to confirm an exterior townread

wee woo wee woo wee woo - the scum police are coming

[Bonatogether]

Meanwhile at Da Harperz Lan Party

Mia: Alright, this is good, were almost to moonrise tower. We just have to go into the Shar temple real quick. This part of the game doesnt take very long right?

lfischl (5) Squigs44 Col7by Jamiet99uk Foxcastle Vecna
FlaviusAetius (5) Bonatogether aarodactyl sweetandcool Balki Bartokomous DiplomacyandWarfare
ghug (3) FlaviusAetius Dousing Ezio
DiplomacyandWarfare (2) DemonRHK* worcej
Ezio (2) Yoyoyozo foodcoats
damo666 (2) lfischl TheMadMonarch
Dousing (1) ghug
BunnyGo (1) JustAGuyNamedWill
Jamiet99uk (1) Fluminator

Unvote (1) BunnyGo


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No one is scheduled to die

fisch wagon is pure cringe

[Bonatogether]

No I think you got it all wrong, the mafia are all not going to be playing the same style of play; they have day chat they can mix it up and go for different routes and heavily coordinate that. I think the best way to find mafia is to see woho would be MOST comfortable playing a lurker, who would be MOST comfortable talking all day, who would be MOST comfortable being a big solver

Can you finish this thought or elaborate on it?

What do you mean see who would be most comfortable doing what? How do you tell the difference between comfortable town and comfortable scum?

No Im just saying that because the mafia are able to have higher coordination this time around from pretty much out of the gate; they probably chose to give people multiple roles to play in this game. Someone will be their "lurker"(I think there's only one), someone will be their skater (minimum talking), someone will be their solver(who will do a lot of analysis), someone will be the person who just talks a lot etc

And the people who will play those roles are the people who are most comfortable playing them. You described one type of mafia and said oh well Im looking at people who are playing that kind of role and I think that is WRONG.

were you the appointed yapper?

[Bonatogether]

Let's vote ghug, even damo thinks ghug is suspciions, those who are voting @Diplomacy ghug would tell us more about Kak's team than Diplomacy dying

Those voting @fischl why this lurker and not Ezio? @foodcoats made a pretty convincing case why Ezio should be the lurker we take down not fischl

Ezio agrees with my ghug read though so I cant attack him now; but you are voting a lurker for no reason; at least foodcoats made a convincing argument

I am because they were a train EOD1 and think that we need to target someone in that

Be better. We weren't magically smarter on D1 than we are now. Why do you feel we "need" to target someone that was a train EoD1?

some would say we're magically dumber on this day, by virtue of playing mafia

[Bonatogether]

I’m still only on page 116 and unlikely to catch-up before EOD.

Can anyone summarize Kay new things? Maybe the ghug wagon?

##vote diplo

We are all having a very robust discussion about our feelings on Bonatogether's alignment. Woud you please share your thoughts on that?

He’s done his “minimal post, minimal words, but at key spots” thing. This is NAI.

Sone things that stood out to me (because they involved me): he tried hard to get me to lay off ghug.

He tried to get people to layoff me while simultaneously giving me fun (by poking it at me).


These are more Town of him, but within his capabilities as scum.

i did not try to get you to not vote ghug

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I have returned as promised!

I'm going to do a lot of analysis. Expect low thread participation tonight and for most of D2.

No bulk analysis was reported. Thread participation was not low... What happened? Why make this post and then just forget about it?

I was going to make a spreadsheet. That didn't work, so I more or less abandoned the idea.

[Bonatogether]

Bona can you do something obvtown or obvscum and save us some time

[DemonRHK]

Out to eat. Ride or die on Fip. Case a on the top of like 108 if you want to bus your teammate flum.

[Bonatogether]

I'm not loving the Jamiet wagon taking off after he left, and I don't feel like those votes are well justified.

scummy post about a towny player

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm not loving the Jamiet wagon taking off after he left, and I don't feel like those votes are well justified.

scummy post about a towny player

scummy post about a town player

[Balki Bartokomous]

I am open to a sweetandcool flashwagon and I think it would be fun.

[lfischl]

RIP Damo, still catching up rn, ##vote dip