MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[foodcoats]

Care to share with the class?

Well, no, because it involves a guess as to who the TRB is.

Can you explain putting Mr X as town Rber? Or would it be obvious who Mr X is?

I can answer this a different way. I think it's very likely Jamie was scumRB'd because Jamie had a lower level of activity than his normal meta D1. I noticed it but didn't say anything; other people noticed it and spoke up. I think it's very reasonable scum might PR-read Jamie for "lurking" and RB him.

I have no reason to think Jamie is or is not a PR; I think his posts actually suggest he is paying close attention to the game and just posting less than usual, possibly because of life or an attempt to change meta. But I know there's a vein of thought that PRs try to look scummy/keep a low profile, and as such, I think Jamie's activity is something scum might notice, and therefore, more likely Jamie was the one scumRB'd.

All that, is in addition to my guess at the TRB.

[Kakarroto]

I'd rather it not be a vanity wagon. Want to join me?

Ha! Well, I don't think it will get there in 3.5 hours with the state of the wagons. We'll see.

(... and there's still just enough doubt in my mind that if I could only DK one of them, it would be celaph over bona. And damo over bona, as well.)

Well I'm going to stick to townreading celaph. I don't see the problem with his reads, especially compared to the ones darg posted that town!celaph made. The people on his wagon generally look a lot better than those on Rivera's wagon, but that's about it.

I think Rivera seems normal and I agree (with you?) that the votes on him are poorly explained.

Damo is probably scum. I didn't think Maniac is, but Flum's point about his wagon disappearing and ghug still scumreading him is something.

After his responses, I'm leaning towards him not being mafia, but looking who is with me on the wagon (when do you see ghug, brain and chaqa agreeing and while they are probably all 3 town?), it might be my reads aren't too good, missing something, and I personally right now don't see any better option, I'll stay here for the moment, I'm in good company at least. I change if I actually get a better read for mafia on someone else.

I agree, he's not as town as last game, but after the start he looks better, must've been a rough day. I'm not putting him up in my town group, but he's definitely improved.

I don't have a bad feeling off of damo, but I haven't looked at him throughly, should do next. Maniac I kinda liked his posts after I voted him, but it could all be a ploy, and Flum's comment to see him in D3 kinda ticked me off the wrong way ... why is Flum so sure Maniac isn't going to be nk'ed (I mean, other than cop, inno scan, so many votes on maniac ... alright, maybe that theory is wrong)

[foodcoats]

So actually my TRB read is largely irrelevant. But I'll get back to it eventually. I'm probably incredibly wrong. My TRB is probably scum lol.

[Kakarroto]

I really don't want to kill Maniac today either. I want him to have one more day too. I can explain more d3.

hm, maybe I misinterpreted it while I was writing, didn't have it open

[yavuzovic]

46 pages... nice.
What is the case on celaph?

[ghug]

One more

Celaph calls vecna towny. that is their only instance of calling anyone towny.

Celaph use of the term scum:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... =scum&g=66


if you read, he never actually calls anyone scum. he never directly says anyone is scum. the only time he uses the word is in generalities about past games.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... cummy&g=66

if you look up times where celaph calls something or someone scummy there are two instances of him using the expeession to scummy to be scum
then his reads list today

and a post about damo being scummy

in sum celaph has called 0 players scum until today

Link bad ghug angry

[brainbomb]

46 pages... nice.
What is the case on celaph?

oh my fucking lord

I just cant anymore

[ghug]

Reasons for no gunshot

Vecna was RBd => Jamie lying scum
Gun not yet fired (most probable reason)
Vecna made something else?
Vecna failed to invent/give - can be ignored.

I hard claim no item.

I'm wondering why either of you would bother fakeclaiming roleblock if you'd known you'd actually RBed Vecna.

I claimed first so if Jamie is scum and they RBd Vecna Jamie would know I was RBd by town and if that were to come to light his claim looks like he was RBd by scum and thus gets towncred.

I'm not saying I think this is what happened but it's possible.

If there's no item, though, it casts doubt on those roleblocked.

It makes me slightly more inclined to believe you're both town, though obviously the town RB could have hit scum.

[ghug]

@bona
Please refrain from this kind of comment:
The only other explanation is if you are autistic in some way, and I say that with no mean spiritedness or crudeness intended. I will adjust to your statements appropriately if you are on the spectrum.

Thanks

I didn't make that comment you jerk

Maybe Dargo is acoustic

Dutiful
Amazing
Reptilian
Ghug-loving
Olfactory
Riveting
Yam
Gooey
Etruscan
Loopy

[ghug]

What's wrong with links in posts? I like it, it helps find the relevant post more easily.

@Bona - I was the one who said that about Darg and the setup, not worcej.

It's a pain on mobile.

[ghug]

Celaph was obviously scum to you when you were scum? What?

I think Maniac's unobjectionability is excellent evidence on its own that he's scum.

Yeah Bona already called me on that, I should have specified pre-EoD2-buddying.

How sure are you about Maniac?

Somewhat? I feel good about it but I'm always wrong early.

[ghug]

Bona is scumreading me even though everyone else pretty much obvtowns me. This is what I have done as scum with strong townies like Espresso Patronum and bozotheclown, because you know you have to get strongtown DK’d eventually.

I dislike obvtown as a verb.

But you obvtown me.

No, I townread you. You're a level below obvtown, which is a noun.

[ghug]

Wish Flum hadn't upped and walked away.

Still want to know why they'd vote damo but would rather give them another day/night for "shenanigans" or whatever it was they said. I'd like to know what possible use allowing more roleblocking BS against town HAVE for town.

And still landing on Rivera, with...any justification?

Anyone else sit in the FLum camp with those ideas?

Hi I'm back.
I don't think scum would roleblock Vecna or their own partner. So I think one of Jamiet or Damo is town is very likely town. If scum are roleblocking a PR read, it could be interesting to see if either of these 2 are roleblocked again tomorrow. Both are behaving more elusive than I'm used to, but it could mean they are a PR and it makes sense if one is town, they got roleblocked last night because scum have noticed a difference too.

Flum changed his phrasing while typing a post. Scum confirmed.

[ghug]

I'd rather it not be a vanity wagon. Want to join me?

Ha! Well, I don't think it will get there in 3.5 hours with the state of the wagons. We'll see.

(... and there's still just enough doubt in my mind that if I could only DK one of them, it would be celaph over bona. And damo over bona, as well.)

Well I'm going to stick to townreading celaph. I don't see the problem with his reads, especially compared to the ones darg posted that town!celaph made. The people on his wagon generally look a lot better than those on Rivera's wagon, but that's about it.

I think Rivera seems normal and I agree (with you?) that the votes on him are poorly explained.

Damo is probably scum. I didn't think Maniac is, but Flum's point about his wagon disappearing and ghug still scumreading him is something.

Kgray trusts me, big red flag.

[yavuzovic]

A few things:

I started to think again about Maniac's vote yesterday and it was indeed very scummy. But would a mafia member risk being exposed? It's so scummy that it feels something a scum wouldn't do. A wagon that large makes me worry. I can go with rivera. I know it's still early and things can change. Let's try rivera as well.

I don't know if dargo is actually cop or a town who periodically claims to confuse scum but it's even better to keep this uncertain. I'm sure that scum is very confused at the moment.

I talked to HR about a replacement. Pardon my absence but I probably got some popular virus. I will stay in the game until HR replaces me though.

Feel better? Tell us if you are scum before you leave

Yes
I'm not scum, if you ever kill my spot, use the votes not a gun so you get some interesting statistics.

[Kakarroto]

I really don't want to kill Maniac today either. I want him to have one more day too. I can explain more d3.

Thoughts on celaph?

VCA from day 1 with no context looks really really good for Celaph yesterday. I think he'd have more defenders if he was scum.

I'm a bit confused here. Do you mean game D1? But celaph only got voted by bona and (shortly) foods (who voted bona afterwards) in the first part.

probably it's the first half of D2 then. That was however when people believed "vote for who you want to get shot" and cel only got to 3 votes 2 hours and 20 minutes before 'perceived EoD' or 'ToS'

he only picked up steam afterwards from the vote count on D2, even lost one vote then getting back to three by dargo. Then getting to 4, he lost votes and suddenly maniac was leading at 24 hours, which was the time the shot was about to happen (at least in some minds). And Maniac has been lead until 11 hours, then the ties happened.

so no, I don't get the impression with "looks really really good for Celaph", it more looks like he was defended and maniac was put on the block. I'm not saying that is true, but it was bona who put maniac to 3 (from cel to make a tie with cel), then Jamiet (4), then Chaqa (5). Damo putting him to 6 at 22 hours to go doesn't count for the 'shot' since that was after my reveal.

so if anything, celaph was defended by bona, jamiet and chaqa (don't know why, just with the vote count)

[Kakarroto]

Link bad ghug angry

ghug smash

[ghug]

Link bad ghug angry

ghug smash

Is that a proposition?

[dargorygel]

I didn't make that comment you jerk

Maybe Dargo is acoustic

Dutiful
Amazing
Reptilian
Ghug-loving
Olfactory
Riveting
Yam
Gooey
Etruscan
Loopy

TWO of those words are not accurate, as an audible acrostic. Which is what I assume you were displaying.

[Kakarroto]

Link bad ghug angry

ghug smash

Is that a proposition?

well, I haven't thought of it this way, but now that you've said it ... *blush