MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[FlaviusAetius]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

ahhhh, there it is, the classic 'scumslip'
FOLKS HERE IS THE GRAND ARGUMENT ON DEMON;
scumslip, lurking andddddd META! WOOO! This is incredibly weak, incredibly silly, and just absolutely random, no one cared about Demon, and all these things were true, but when emc resrufaces with him, everyone all of a sudden wants to go after the easy peasy Demon lynch!

I disproved the bozo argument btw and as emc pointed out, bozo is doing the exact same thing!!

[FlaviusAetius]

If Tom is not Sherlock, the real one should stay quiet. That may be obvious but...

No if Tom is not Sherlock the real one should claim RIGHT NOW, we would have two in the row lynches, and a whole bunch of new information. Plus we are going to have to have a big debate about who the real one is, its really really important they claim now, especially since they could DIE tomorrow night!

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM SHERLOCK

CLAIM SHERLOCK IF YOUR THE REAL SHERLOCK, THIS IS RIDICULOUS TO NOT GO AFTER TOM IF HE'S THE FAKE SHERLOCK

[FlaviusAetius]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

I do this with every mafia game ever, stop using meta to determine people and look what I actually say, maybe then you'll see the things Im pushing actually make sense
#lynch chaqa
#lynch yavu
^^^^^^^after purple^^^^^^^^

Yeah meta,
I agree
WHAT!

What is your actual case on Chaqa, if the one on me is actually becuase I asked for Vanilla PMs

its not, you obviously havent been paying attention, and I gave my case on chaqa multiple times, when I catch up, I'll give my full cases on chaqa and you in consolidated posts

[FlaviusAetius]

I feel today's lynch should be among RHK, Kitsune, Flavius, Bionic, Bozo.

That's a large group but they're also people with questionable town status and were not among the Bob voters Day 1. I did exclude Cmdr just because I'm not too concerned about the noob that also fits this category, and I personally find him reasonably towny.

I would doubly throw shade on those who were NOT part of the Frostwind wagon. This would be Bionic, Kit, and Flavius. Bionic and Kit also look bad for not voting for rivera.

So I'll put my preference at:
Kit/Bionic > Flavius/RHK > Bozo

I am feeling better about EMC lately, but Dargo is still nebulously out there as not town. Perhaps a Jack candidate (though my pet theory is Jack is Vecna or xorxes).

case on Bob was ridiculous(I wanted to lynch emc)
case on frostwind was just as ridiculous, sad I couldnt convince the lynches off of them, especially frost since he was town
ALSO you were the one who said to go to Vapor, so we did my god

[FlaviusAetius]

I do this with every mafia game ever, stop using meta to determine people and look what I actually say, maybe then you'll see the things Im pushing actually make sense
#lynch chaqa
#lynch yavu
^^^^^^^after purple^^^^^^^^

Lol... so Flavius just quoted a post he HASNT GOTTEN TO YET, but is still catching up in His method?

Guess what... he slipped, because he's actually caught up and pretending.

Incorrect, I do this too. There is a part "TOPIC REVİEW" under mesage writing part. Once a person notices that they are mentioned, of couse they want to read and reply to the new message mentioning them, before finishing up the actual thread.

bump

[FlaviusAetius]

For now then, ##Vote Kitsune

Kitsune is lurking, we need to get him to talk more, before we start placing votes down on him, agree though he needs to be looked into

[FlaviusAetius]

But yavu... When you do that, do you pretend you have not read farther ahead,? Do you act like it's new, as you read along? That is what chaqa us saying

I just respond with the information I have, think of it like I am in the past on age 120, responding to something in the future, on page 140, but having not read anything in between. if your wrong about what you say in the response, you just catch up, and have that in your mind, but yea

[FlaviusAetius]

This game depends on scum hitting scum and jack hitting mafia. As I said before this, Jack isnt really going to worry about female characters as thats such a shot in the dark, theres no reason to hunt, if he even gets its by mere luck, and theres no reason why we should worry about mere luck until said luck starts actually getting lucky. He's going to go for mafia or towny people whichever he thinks is nessecesary at the time, we are completely fine

How do you know so much about what Jack's strategy is?

Well if he's not doing what I said then he's just a silly person, there is literally no reason to hunt females, its common sense

[FlaviusAetius]

Holy fuck I'm gonna have to reword everything to be more aggressive so Flav can understand lmao

If you sprinkle it with capital letters and exclamation points all the better.

now thats just rude, you guys need to be nicer, I am just responding how I see things, if you have a problem with it, I dont care, its how I do things, and its objectively the best method in playing mafia, if you arent doing this, I'd love to know why getting full context on everything allows you to place down your actual views, instead of manufactured ones lol

[FlaviusAetius]

Back to ##VOTE DemonRHK

nope go back to ##vote chaqa
you are the one that convinced me he was scum, why arent you sticking with your guns? whats this sudden obsession with demon have to do? it makes no sense, and BTW Tom this obsession over Demon had literally nothing to do with you doing the purple thing

If you read my night posts you will find how I concluded by process of elimination that the most likley last Moriarty was either Bionic or Demon. Then bozo found that very interesting post where Demon scumreads only rivera and Bob pretty much out of the blue, but never takes any action on those reads.

Demon's reaction today has been "grill me, ask me questions". His only concern seems to be his own safety, and does not seem much interested in finding scum. I don't think he has said anything about the massclaim idea, for example.

I'm not 100% sure on Chaqa yet, but it looks less likely that he is on team Moriarty as it first appeared.

Ill go back and reread it then, but it seems pretty clear Chaqa is the one diverting attention away from his teammates. Also Im going to go back to that post right now and find it, because I can gurantee you demon had other reads, and bozo is just cherry picking

[FlaviusAetius]

Also if you are being accused you better dang well hope you are defending yourself, because if you are your best advocate, if you lose yourself, you lose everything

[FlaviusAetius]

They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.

First decent post, with 9 Female characters Jack can win on N5 (not likely, but still possible), so having Jekill/Hide alive for some days is probably best for town.

Vecna style is really annoying as I don't understand half the things he writes.

xorxes, do you think rdrivera is trying to pocket you before you scum read him again, or do you agree that your post was the first good post?

bump

[FlaviusAetius]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

I don't know, I'm town and I didn't believe you for a second. Also, if he is team Moriarty as I suspect he is, he would not have known for sure that you were roleblocked. I think his reaction was genuine (how come you were not roleblocked? it was obvious you would be rb'd unless mafia2 are all complete noobs) but the towny reaction would have been to play along.

I agree with the above,
I went back, either Demon is mafia, or that was really really good luck, and Demon hasnt responded to anything yet, and only let me defend him all day long, no more ##vote demon please explain what was going on in your head Demon, I went back, Bob was discussing mechanics and being a jokester
and rdrivera talked mechanics then dipped
there's literally no reason for you to do that, and then for you to not talk about it, ever I dont buy your playing games logic, sorry, if you are accusing people of being scum, you best be prepared to defend it, you expected that much when people accused you, I think we should expect that from you too when you did it, and you didnt.

[FlaviusAetius]

I don't actually find RHK's reaction to Tom scummy at all. I was also scratching my head about why Tom wouldn't be roleblocked, since the only other confirmed town (ND) can't be roleblocked. I chalked it up to an inexperienced scum team, which fit Purple being a scum and also fit the very strange nightkill choices.

I don't doubt Tom right now (since there hasn't been a CC) but I do prefer other lynches to RHK.

I dont think Demon is the last of Moriarty I think you are. Yavu and Demon are on the other mafia team

[FlaviusAetius]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

I don't know, I'm town and I didn't believe you for a second. Also, if he is team Moriarty as I suspect he is, he would not have known for sure that you were roleblocked. I think his reaction was genuine (how come you were not roleblocked? it was obvious you would be rb'd unless mafia2 are all complete noobs) but the towny reaction would have been to play along.

Oh really xorxes?

So awesome news. In fact, I did play a patented Tom Bombadil gambit and did not Cop scan rivera N1. I vanilla/non-vanilla scanned him and got non-vanilla and figured he was scum.

That means that tonight I was able to cop scan and got a GUILTY result for purple cow!!

So either mafia or SK

##VOTE purple

I guess 100% is better than 99% certainty.

LOL

[FlaviusAetius]

This post is actually a major red flag.

How do you even remember someone saying a random thing about a random player, and then bringing it up when that guy dies two days later? Looks like part of some stupid plan.

umm I go back in the chat and respond from there, so I didnt remember, I read it

It didnt seem like your usual catchup though and it was a ~48h flashback quote

Well obviously I read with context of what I already read, lol?

[FlaviusAetius]

This puts another dent in the "Chaqa = last team M" theory. Setting that wagon up to be a very reasonable contender when youre the only 2 remaining seems pretty damn unlikely, despite Rdrivera's fondness of busses.

What are you talking about? Chaqa took us off Bob and put us on Vapor, there just wasnt enough votes to switch it over. And Chaqa only went on rdrivera because Tom revealed, which everyone did. What is the dents in the theory? Because Im believing it now ##vote chaqa

Because Rdrivera was actively shading Chaqa and digging up all the negatives. Seems a bit silly to do that if he's your only remaining teammate left alive and he allready had 4 votes on him.

Also, did you just decide to go through my iso and comment on all my posts now?

Nope I just got to your point in the thread when you owned the forum
also since you guys LOVEEE meta so much, people said rdrivera does that all the time, also everyone was dissing on Chaqa at that point, it was only me and a handful of others who were defending him

[FlaviusAetius]

and overall he was just repeating current talking points, not actually fighting to lynch chaqa

[FlaviusAetius]

No I generally dont take what people say literally, I dont believe in "scumslips" and im a firm believer that people that push such things are much more often than not simply scum themselves.

So then why were you making such a big deal on Bob? It doesnt make sense, if you dont believe in scumslips, yet you think people who didnt go after Bob are scummy

This is not what I said at all.

So what did you say then? Because thats exactly what I read

[FlaviusAetius]

I can’t be the only one who finds Flav extremely scummy right now

just you