M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[DemonRHK]

I would like to take one more try at selling a damo daykill.

damo has been doing little of value (Yea yea, pot, kettle, I know) and is anchoring and dipping a second day in a row (Though it is true that EoD time is not friendly to some subsets of people), I think there is a very high chance damo will continue that for the entire game were VCA on them is gonna be fuckin pointless.

Both dead townies were sus of damo. Damo thinks he is entitled to double standards.

If damo doesn't take off, I will be consolidating onto Vecna. Jamie had a decent case on Fox and Vecna has done very little.

[Chaqa]

if I use the above theory and cross-reference it with my reads at this point, I think this is where I'm at right now:

Pool 1 (would vote as a preference):
BusinessLamp
celaph
DemonRHK
Donny Dude
Hellenic Riot
Maniac
TheFlyingBoat

Pool 2 ( would vote over Pool 3, but have some mild town vibes):
bozotheclown
damo666
goldfinger0303

Pool 3 (town reads and players unlikely to roleblock me)
BobMcBob
Bonatogether
Durga
Vecna
ghug
Jamiet99uk
kgray
rdrivera2005

[Chaqa]

I've got major misgivings on the Bob wagon.

I think I like celaph and TFB today.

##Vote TheFlyingBoat

[Vecna]

I would like to take one more try at selling a damo daykill.

damo has been doing little of value (Yea yea, pot, kettle, I know) and is anchoring and dipping a second day in a row (Though it is true that EoD time is not friendly to some subsets of people), I think there is a very high chance damo will continue that for the entire game were VCA on them is gonna be fuckin pointless.

Both dead townies were sus of damo. Damo thinks he is entitled to double standards.

If damo doesn't take off, I will be consolidating onto Vecna. Jamie had a decent case on Fox and Vecna has done very little.

Why have I done very little?

apparently ive done quite a lot, because you have a swath of people defending you and attacking me over my "bad meta-read".

Pretty icky to mention nothing off it, and then just refer to jamiet's case on me.

[BusinessLamp]

is there a way to iso someone without it being broken into d1 n1 d2

[Chaqa]

is there a way to iso someone without it being broken into d1 n1 d2

On the bot, you can do a search for "d1-d2" and get all of it

[BusinessLamp]

is there a way to iso someone without it being broken into d1 n1 d2

On the bot, you can do a search for "d1-d2" and get all of it

sorry, where would i search? dont see that function

[Chaqa]

is there a way to iso someone without it being broken into d1 n1 d2

On the bot, you can do a search for "d1-d2" and get all of it

sorry, where would i search? dont see that function

There's a "Search among all messages" link on the main page

[BusinessLamp]

On the bot, you can do a search for "d1-d2" and get all of it

sorry, where would i search? dont see that function

There's a "Search among all messages" link on the main page

incredible, thank you

[ghug]

@ghug wait did your reads list that I totally didn't read say you town read tfb

Yes, but it's waning.

[ghug]

With RHK I presume you meant you can't seem him doing the weird data thing as scum?

I do like the Bob re-eval even though I don't hold the same confidence in it as you do.

With Foxna, I think you understate the issues with Foxcastle's case and I get the feeling you are trying to kill the wagon while also still maintaining cover in case he does flip scum. Don't like this

According to you, Damo is pretty easy to read eventually (justification proffered to keep him alive both when you were scum and town iirc even when he looks bad). When do you think Damo will out himself to you? What makes him just seem bad town instead of scum?

Jamie, rd. Sure

HR ??? What was the basis under which you wanted to kill him in the first place? Maybe I missed it when I was following along, but I don't recall much other than you finding it weird he was on at EoD?

Me - yeah, I've sucked today. Should be better over the weekend when I have more time.


Anyways, questions regarding the ordering (since I do appreciate you ordering it), what makes you have Jamie below Vecna? I get being peeved by the perceived coasting, but that seems like a precipitous drop without the commensurate scummy behavior I would expect to justify it.

Next, why is Lamp so high in your list? I get the townread, he's done a lot of townie things and behaved far more experienced than you'd expect for someone that says they're brand new to forum mafia. I may be misremembering this but I think you mentioned you didn't like the Bona switch onto me at the end of they day as opposed to switching onto an actual counter wagon. Why do you not apply this same standard to lamp?

RHK - Yes

Vecna - Nah, it's a weak case.

Damo - Town damo is thinking about the game, his thought processes just don't make sense. Scum damo fakes this, and one can usually determine that there isn't a thought process.

HR - The activity at EoD was part of it. The fact that he spent the whole time shading every counter to Flum without really focusing on whether he scumread Flum, and specifically the way he generated his townread on Bob makes him look scummy.

Jamie - I scumread him yesterday too, so it's not a precipitous drop. I think the push on Flum is marginally more likely to come from scum Jamie than town Jamie, and he hasn't done anything else to impress me.

Lamp - I think the desire to get on the wagon you feel is best at the end is more likely to be legitimate coming from someone who's not used to playing mafia, and his stated preference was you or Flum rather than a flip from Flum to not Flum, so the whole thing irks me less than Bona's or RHK's vote. I appreciate the skepticism, as he'd definitely be better than most new players as scum, but I still think he's town.

How does this view change knowing now that Lamp is NOT a new player? As an aside, I feel kinda dumb for feeling like Perry Mason when I declared in my opinion that he was hiding the fact that he had played elsewhere before based on the heuristics he was employing not matching up with that of a supposed rookie/new player. Turns out he did say he played on MS before. Lol.

I said "not used to playing mafia". Having kept up with the thread, I remembered him saying he'd played before.

[ghug]

I'd vote for him over Bob or RHK though.

ghug what do you think of Bob doing an ISO of me while "Expecting to scumread me" and then somehow being surprised that he did?

I agree on RHK - their meta is too similar as both town and scum, and while I'm not ruling out the possibility of them being scum, there's better marks today. Vecna I'm still not sold on though.

It was rhetorical, mostly, as is your framing of it. Uninteresting.

[ghug]

@ghug wait did your reads list that I totally didn't read say you town read tfb

afaik he's been townreading boatman since they 'argued' early D1. Somehow that makes them impossible scumbuddies in boatman's eyes....

I purport that we're impossible scumbuddies because Boat's questionable assertion that we're impossible scumbuddies isn't one he'd make if we were scumbuddies.

[ghug]

##VOTE celaph

[goldfinger0303]

ghug you're so hard to please.

##vote celaph

[TheFlyingBoat]

Comparing D1 activity to D2, it's interesting how much of a difference there is for some people. Notable ones include Bona (massive drop), Damo (moderate increase), and TFB (moderate decrease).

Raw data:

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	Posts	Words	Chars	W/Post	Player	Last (DL)
1	165	4821	24987	29.22	kgray	00:01
2	134	4333	23227	32.34	Jamiet99uk	00:03
3	132	1799	9578	13.63	Bonatogether	00:01
4	130	1866	9403	14.35	Durga	00:03
5	117	1729	8721	14.78	ghug	00:01
6	115	4725	24257	41.09	TheFlyingBoat	00:05
7	99	2365	12522	23.89	BobMcBob	00:02
8	96	1880	9486	19.58	DeathLlama8	00:01
9	94	3103	15657	33.01	Fluminator	00:01
10	89	2783	14342	31.27	BusinessLamp	00:01
11	78	1626	8007	20.85	Donny Dude	00:02
12	54	970	4892	17.96	Chaqa	00:14
13	40	1292	6600	32.30	DemonRHK	00:01
14	40	1255	6081	31.38	rdrivera2005	00:09
15	38	962	5014	25.32	celaph	00:04
16	36	1369	7198	38.03	Hellenic Riot	00:01
17	32	833	4350	26.03	bozotheclown	00:08
18	27	351	1859	13.00	damo666	02:42
19	20	314	1711	15.70	Vecna	00:49
20	17	1760	11498	103.53	BesharamSabi	00:05
21	17	520	2842	30.59	Foxcastle	07:40
22	8	639	3199	79.88	Maniac	01:03
23	3	459	2324	153.00	Tom Bombadil	05:24
24	3	123	583	41.00	goldfinger0303	1d 11h 59m
25	1	69	346	69.00	peterlund	1d 4h 39m
26	1	9	43	9.00	dargorygel	1d 20h 9m

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Posts	Words	Chars	W/Post	Player	Last (Now)
1	73	1531	7562	20.97	Durga	00:07
2	70	2000	10238	28.57	ghug	00:24
3	67	1900	9886	28.36	kgray	01:20
4	61	1297	6809	21.26	damo666	01:27
5	57	1785	9632	31.32	Jamiet99uk	01:53
6	48	2945	15357	61.35	BobMcBob	04:42
7	44	1142	5713	25.95	Chaqa	00:22
8	42	1344	7154	32.00	Vecna	02:25
9	38	2667	13613	70.18	goldfinger0303	01:05
10	35	1318	6838	37.66	BusinessLamp	02:00
11	30	533	2733	17.77	Bonatogether	02:15
12	28	1232	6564	44.00	celaph	12:38
13	18	662	3464	36.78	bozotheclown	00:40
14	17	2496	12647	146.82	TheFlyingBoat	00:08
15	17	610	3049	35.88	rdrivera2005	00:12
16	15	1713	9398	114.20	Hellenic Riot	02:50
17	12	494	2534	41.17	DemonRHK	12:26
18	9	1021	6450	113.44	BesharamSabi	01:14
19	8	583	3004	72.88	Donny Dude	02:13
20	3	741	3972	247.00	Tom Bombadil	04:18
21	3	638	3341	212.67	Maniac	12:23
695	28652	149958	41.23	Total Counts	

I will point out that was I was second place in word count D1 and third place in D2. My activity has generally always been in chunks across all games especially post D1

[TheFlyingBoat]

RHK - Yes

Vecna - Nah, it's a weak case.

Damo - Town damo is thinking about the game, his thought processes just don't make sense. Scum damo fakes this, and one can usually determine that there isn't a thought process.

HR - The activity at EoD was part of it. The fact that he spent the whole time shading every counter to Flum without really focusing on whether he scumread Flum, and specifically the way he generated his townread on Bob makes him look scummy.

Jamie - I scumread him yesterday too, so it's not a precipitous drop. I think the push on Flum is marginally more likely to come from scum Jamie than town Jamie, and he hasn't done anything else to impress me.

Lamp - I think the desire to get on the wagon you feel is best at the end is more likely to be legitimate coming from someone who's not used to playing mafia, and his stated preference was you or Flum rather than a flip from Flum to not Flum, so the whole thing irks me less than Bona's or RHK's vote. I appreciate the skepticism, as he'd definitely be better than most new players as scum, but I still think he's town.

How does this view change knowing now that Lamp is NOT a new player? As an aside, I feel kinda dumb for feeling like Perry Mason when I declared in my opinion that he was hiding the fact that he had played elsewhere before based on the heuristics he was employing not matching up with that of a supposed rookie/new player. Turns out he did say he played on MS before. Lol.

I said "not used to playing mafia". Having kept up with the thread, I remembered him saying he'd played before.

Fine, but does the guy seem unused to play mafia? He has seemed rather adept and attuned to various heuristics and displayed a certain style that doesn't seem indicative of someone who is gripped by rust or feels particularly lost.

[ghug]

How does this view change knowing now that Lamp is NOT a new player? As an aside, I feel kinda dumb for feeling like Perry Mason when I declared in my opinion that he was hiding the fact that he had played elsewhere before based on the heuristics he was employing not matching up with that of a supposed rookie/new player. Turns out he did say he played on MS before. Lol.

I said "not used to playing mafia". Having kept up with the thread, I remembered him saying he'd played before.

Fine, but does the guy seem unused to play mafia? He has seemed rather adept and attuned to various heuristics and displayed a certain style that doesn't seem indicative of someone who is gripped by rust or feels particularly lost.

He absolutely feels gripped by rust. He's clearly highly competent, but he does and says things that don't quite fit with the meta. You're also ignoring the other part of the argument, which is that his switch to the non-main counterwagon makes more sense given his stated preference for killing you or Flum rather than just not killing Flum.

[kgray]

@ghug wait did your reads list that I totally didn't read say you town read tfb

afaik he's been townreading boatman since they 'argued' early D1. Somehow that makes them impossible scumbuddies in boatman's eyes....

I purport that we're impossible scumbuddies because Boat's questionable assertion that we're impossible scumbuddies isn't one he'd make if we were scumbuddies.

That's stupid, I've made that argument about a scumbuddy in most of my scumgames.

[BusinessLamp]

reading TFB the thing that stands out to me is the repeated need to mention "i did my own research on flum, i could've been lazy, but i wasn't!!!"

Now so far, I like Blamp and still think he is slight town, but if it comes late in the game and I am dead and Blamp is around and looking kinda sus, people should come back to this and look to the potential it is the latter option.

this sentence from night post reads as town because of the scenario, but i guess that's pretty easy to fake.

overall his stance on me is a bit sketchy. it reads as like "i know that lamp is towny... but mayyyybeee he isnt? i get that he's townie, but he's also null. we should keep an eye on him."

@TFB how much of your weariness towards me is because i tried to push votes on you at EOD yesterday?