MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Vecna you sound offended damo is more willing to kill you than me right now

Not really, im just doing my thing

[damo666]

I've been thinking a bit about the RHK kill. I read through all of his posts, and while I'd like a second and third opinion, I don't see anything that immediately jumps out as crumbing or hinting at being a PR. Here's a link to his ISO if anyone wants to check me:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d1-&g=63

So, I suspect two possible motivations for his NK:

1. Low-information kill on a *possible* PR, since he was low profile
2. Removing someone driving suspicion on a possible scum player (bran and celaph)

I suspect #1. Most of the "usual" N1 kills are under suspicion (HR, Vecna, rivera, ghug, etc.) so I think that would explain this kill as RHK is scary late game.

@Chaqa if you are right this would indicate a more experienced scum team. A less experienced scum team might imply #2 (which is why I was voting celaph).

Conclusion: both are possible.

This hasn't helped much, has it?

[Chaqa]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

Basically:

Kill shuts down Doctor and Cop unless Doctor self-saves.
Roleblock shuts down Doctor or Cop.

So if you use them separately you're doubling chance of minimizing town information. Any competent scumteam would spread them out for the first night or two.

[Chaqa]

I've been thinking a bit about the RHK kill. I read through all of his posts, and while I'd like a second and third opinion, I don't see anything that immediately jumps out as crumbing or hinting at being a PR. Here's a link to his ISO if anyone wants to check me:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d1-&g=63

So, I suspect two possible motivations for his NK:

1. Low-information kill on a *possible* PR, since he was low profile
2. Removing someone driving suspicion on a possible scum player (bran and celaph)

I suspect #1. Most of the "usual" N1 kills are under suspicion (HR, Vecna, rivera, ghug, etc.) so I think that would explain this kill as RHK is scary late game.

@Chaqa if you are right this would indicate a more experienced scum team. A less experienced scum team might imply #2 (which is why I was voting celaph).

Conclusion: both are possible.

This hasn't helped much, has it?

That's basically what I was thinking, yes.

I think today should flip either ghug or bona, really.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm not saying he did that, but I'm saying he would do that. It does kinda make me want to shoot one of them to find out...

I think I want to resolve this Hellenic Riot/rdrivera subplot today.

Hellenic Riot & rdrivera2005: How come y'all aren't whipping us to kill each other?

Because it's D2? Because HR made some decent posts today that made me feel that I might be wrong about him?
I don't think tunneling just to prove I can yell louder then him is the way to play as town.

I quite plainly did not ask you to do that. Your filter for day 2 sounds very convinced that HR is mafia up until this post of mine. I hardly think it unreasonable to expect you to push a clear mafia suspect.

What of his posts changed your mind?

If you were following we have a pretty long interaction that make feel that is possible he reacted that way as town. I also liked his analysis on Bona and want to see if he would vote for him or was just throwing shade and not following (something I think is a scumtell from him).
All in all, he is still on my scum list, with Bona and Celaph and Brain as a distant forth.
I have few solid townreads (Jamiet, Damo, Eden and Aaro) and this is worrying me.

[Vecna]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

So why do you think they would want to townclear me then?

[Fluminator]

I agree with Durga

##Vote Donny
This is his scum game. I don't know his town game tbf, but I think he's the best shot.

[Chaqa]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

So why do you think they would want to townclear me then?

No clue.

If you aren't town, you're the Godfather, though.

[brainbomb]

##Vote ghug

[Chaqa]

I agree with Durga

##Vote Donny
This is his scum game. I don't know his town game tbf, but I think he's the best shot.

Donny is a reasonable choice for today too, I feel.

[Vecna]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

Basically:

Kill shuts down Doctor and Cop unless Doctor self-saves.
Roleblock shuts down Doctor or Cop.

So if you use them separately you're doubling chance of minimizing town information. Any competent scumteam would spread them out for the first night or two.

Still, them roleblocking me does not make much sense unless they plan not to kill me for quite some time to come, so your instant jump to just believe me does not make a whole lot of sense either.

[damo666]

If theres 9 people you'd vote over him, I dont think that interpretation is very far off.

I note you didn't address the second part.

Would you be interested in hearing me repeat the excuses/reasons as to why ive only been fluffposting and have not caught up? Its pretty clear to me that unless I proceed to quote the entire thread and actually catch-up youre just going to have that opinion (which is fine for now).

You want me to interrogate you what exactly you mean with scummy participation? I think ive already figured out your alignment, so im not that interested atm.

I remove one asterisk for this response.

[Chaqa]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

Basically:

Kill shuts down Doctor and Cop unless Doctor self-saves.
Roleblock shuts down Doctor or Cop.

So if you use them separately you're doubling chance of minimizing town information. Any competent scumteam would spread them out for the first night or two.

Still, them roleblocking me does not make much sense unless they plan not to kill me for quite some time to come, so your instant jump to just believe me does not make a whole lot of sense either.

I'm not insta-clearing you. I think one of two things:
1. You are town and will either be NK'd N2 or set up for a mis-DK later
2. You are the Godfather and this is a long-term ploy so you can be "cleared" by the Cop later

[Vecna]

I agree with Durga

##Vote Donny
This is his scum game. I don't know his town game tbf, but I think he's the best shot.

When have you ever even played with scum donny? When has Durga?

[damo666]

##Vote ghug

worcej wagon getting too big for your liking?

[Vecna]

I note you didn't address the second part.

Would you be interested in hearing me repeat the excuses/reasons as to why ive only been fluffposting and have not caught up? Its pretty clear to me that unless I proceed to quote the entire thread and actually catch-up youre just going to have that opinion (which is fine for now).

You want me to interrogate you what exactly you mean with scummy participation? I think ive already figured out your alignment, so im not that interested atm.

I remove one asterisk for this response.

Achievement unlocked: bully damo into backing down

[Chaqa]

I suppose there is some validity in flipping worcej for more info on Day 1, but i'm not sure I'm there yet.

I have a lingering suspicion EMC is scum, also.

[President Eden]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

Basically:

Kill shuts down Doctor and Cop unless Doctor self-saves.
Roleblock shuts down Doctor or Cop.

So if you use them separately you're doubling chance of minimizing town information. Any competent scumteam would spread them out for the first night or two.

How likely do you think it is for the Doctor to self-save night 1 here?

[Hellenic Riot]

I agree with Durga

##Vote Donny
This is his scum game. I don't know his town game tbf, but I think he's the best shot.

When have you ever even played with scum donny? When has Durga?

M60 Durga was scum with Donny

As was ghug. And ghug said the total opposite, and that this is nothing like Donny's towngame. So who knows

[Fluminator]

I agree with Durga

##Vote Donny
This is his scum game. I don't know his town game tbf, but I think he's the best shot.

When have you ever even played with scum donny? When has Durga?

That was the one I was a losing third party and Donny buddied me successfully and thus I threw the game for him because I liked him.