MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[goldfinger0303]

So it seems highly unlikely that goldfinger is in a team with two VT claimants.

Absolutely agreed.

Town ought to have at least two genuine VT claimants left alive.

You agree you are not on a team with two VT claimants.

This is interesting.

That's a misquote and you know it.

[BunnyGo]

Absolutely agreed.

Town ought to have at least two genuine VT claimants left alive.

You agree you are not on a team with two VT claimants.

This is interesting.

That's a misquote and you know it.

But a very funny one

[bozotheclown]

SCENARIO 1

If Jamiet is Roleblocker, then Kalel's Companion crumbs make most sense for real Companion:

worcej: BH
Jamie: Roleblocker
Superstition/Hosuke: ???
VT1: Agent
VT2: ???

Super was either Reaver or Investigator in this scenario. His claim is much more consistent with being coached than with coming up with a random Companion claim before being subbed. So we have

worcej: BH
Jamie: Roleblocker
Superstition/Hosuke: Investigator
VT1: Agent
VT2: Reaver

Most likely VTs to be the Reaver are ND and Fox, based on time of claiming. Agent could be emc or Chaqa or bozo or Tem.

worcej: BH
Jamie: Roleblocker
Sup-Hosuke: Investigator
emc/Chaqa/bozo/Tem: Agent
ND/Fox: Reaver Prime

SCENARIO 2

Jamiet is the Doctor. Then Kalel's crumbs look like what the Roleblocker would plan and Super's claim was just claiming his real role before signing out. And it makes sense for Reaver Prime to claim PR while Investigator claims VT. In this case we have:

worcej: BH
goldie: Reaver Prime
Kalel: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: Investigator

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I can't decide which of the two scenarios I find more likely, but we will know once we find out whether I was roleblocked or not.

So RP top candidates: goldie, ND, Fox (outside chance: worcej)

I agree that if Kalel is scum and was crumbing Companion that early, he is probable the Roleblocker. However, if Superstition is scum and was told by his teammates to claim Companion after we already had too many PR claims, he would also likely be the Roleblocker. Therefore, scenario 2 is looking more likely. Thinking more about worcej's BH claim, though, why would be claim PR as BH? He was sure to be caught in a CC before his targets were killed. I would expect the BH to take their chances in the VT claims. The Reaver needed to survive long enough to make sure they recruited successfully, so I think it would make more sense for the Reaver to claim PR. So, here are other possibilities:

worcej: Reaver Prime
goldie: Investigator
Kalel or Hosuke: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: BH

worcej: Investigator
goldie: Reaver Prime
Kalel or Hosuke: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: BH

worcej claiming Reader as Investigator makes sense, maybe he investigate Temasek N1 and received a VT result.

[bozotheclown]

Not to mention that one Mafia member warning another that they're bussing a third member a little too hard just never happens.

Then what is your own interpretation, Xorxes, of the events I described, in which Goldfinger went from strongly pushing an EMC lynch, to criticising people for voting EMC, in very short space of time? Tell me what you think about it.

If he is the Reaver, he may not care that his views are not too consistent.

If he is teammates with emc (which would mean emc is the Agent), bozo was just an innocent bystander.

I do not know why goldfinger would necessary bus there at all, emc vs. Flavius may have just been town vs. town, or BH vs. town.

[BunnyGo]

SCENARIO 1

If Jamiet is Roleblocker, then Kalel's Companion crumbs make most sense for real Companion:

worcej: BH
Jamie: Roleblocker
Superstition/Hosuke: ???
VT1: Agent
VT2: ???

Super was either Reaver or Investigator in this scenario. His claim is much more consistent with being coached than with coming up with a random Companion claim before being subbed. So we have

worcej: BH
Jamie: Roleblocker
Superstition/Hosuke: Investigator
VT1: Agent
VT2: Reaver

Most likely VTs to be the Reaver are ND and Fox, based on time of claiming. Agent could be emc or Chaqa or bozo or Tem.

worcej: BH
Jamie: Roleblocker
Sup-Hosuke: Investigator
emc/Chaqa/bozo/Tem: Agent
ND/Fox: Reaver Prime

SCENARIO 2

Jamiet is the Doctor. Then Kalel's crumbs look like what the Roleblocker would plan and Super's claim was just claiming his real role before signing out. And it makes sense for Reaver Prime to claim PR while Investigator claims VT. In this case we have:

worcej: BH
goldie: Reaver Prime
Kalel: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: Investigator

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I can't decide which of the two scenarios I find more likely, but we will know once we find out whether I was roleblocked or not.

So RP top candidates: goldie, ND, Fox (outside chance: worcej)

I agree that if Kalel is scum and was crumbing Companion that early, he is probable the Roleblocker. However, if Superstition is scum and was told by his teammates to claim Companion after we already had too many PR claims, he would also likely be the Roleblocker. Therefore, scenario 2 is looking more likely. Thinking more about worcej's BH claim, though, why would be claim PR as BH? He was sure to be caught in a CC before his targets were killed. I would expect the BH to take their chances in the VT claims. The Reaver needed to survive long enough to make sure they recruited successfully, so I think it would make more sense for the Reaver to claim PR. So, here are other possibilities:

worcej: Reaver Prime
goldie: Investigator
Kalel or Hosuke: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: BH

worcej: Investigator
goldie: Reaver Prime
Kalel or Hosuke: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: BH

worcej claiming Reader as Investigator makes sense, maybe he investigate Temasek N1 and received a VT result.

Yes. Clearing up reaver by lynching worcej and scanning inari makes sense to me. I think there’s a chance they haven’t spawned. Xorxes counterpoint to this is fine too.

[goldfinger0303]

I feel like a lot of people have checked out today. I feel like the last 24 hours has just been 10 or so people posting in circles.

[goldfinger0303]

Well, not in circles, because some of this has been very informative. but you get what I mean.

[e.m.c^42]

hmm

Have I become sufficiently scummy enough yet :v

[BunnyGo]

Well, not in circles, because some of this has been very informative. but you get what I mean.

Yuuuuuuup.

[Jamiet99uk]

I feel like a lot of people have checked out today. I feel like the last 24 hours has just been 10 or so people posting in circles.

You should start composing your last words. You're guaranteed to be tomorrow's lynch.

[e.m.c^42]

I feel like a lot of people have checked out today. I feel like the last 24 hours has just been 10 or so people posting in circles.

Yh. I don't know what to add lol

[BunnyGo]

Seems like half the players have checked out and everyone else is posting in circles. And has anyone seen my wife?

[BunnyGo]

Just putting this here for anyone not paying close enough attention:

Under no circumstances are you allowed to vote for me or for nolynch. Doing so is considered suicide. I will make sure “The Hero” shoots you...oh wait...

[bozotheclown]

goldfinger voted for emc 52 minutes before D1 EOD when emc, Flavius, and Chaqa were tied as the top wagons at 3 votes each. I do not see why goldfinger would want to bus emc there. Also, I think goldfinger may be the Reaver, in which case he would not be bussing even if emc is the Agent.

[Jamiet99uk]

Then what is your own interpretation, Xorxes, of the events I described, in which Goldfinger went from strongly pushing an EMC lynch, to criticising people for voting EMC, in very short space of time? Tell me what you think about it.

If you go back, when I voted for emc, peterlund and Kalel pretty much immediately joined the wagon without being too convincing. bozo pointed this out, and I was wary of the sheeping.

Yet you continue to list EMC as a scumread.

So let's get this straight:

1. You scumread Mr. X, quite strongly.

2. You say this repeatedly and vote for Mr. X.

3. You continue to point out that Mr. X appears to be scum and you say that you want Mr. X to be one of the top wagons today.

4. Close to EoD two other people join your Mr. X wagon.

5. Your immediate response is "oh dear, they must be sheeping me". You urgently abandon the Mr. X wagon and criticise anyone who votes for Mr. X.

6. In the next phase, you continue to declare that Mr. X is one of your top scumreads.


Cool story, bro.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remember children, when Goldfinger is pushing a lynch wagon, you are not allowed to join that wagon without Goldfinger's express written permission.

[Jamiet99uk]

Voting for the same person that Goldfinger is voting for, without Goldfinger's prior approval, is scummy.

[xorxes]

Just putting this here for anyone not paying close enough attention:

Under no circumstances are you allowed to vote for me or for nolynch. Doing so is considered suicide. I will make sure “The Hero” shoots you...oh wait...

worcej probably doesn't care, but it's unlikely he will show up.

[BunnyGo]

Hey, EMC. Get a húndàn vote liú kǒushuǐ de biǎozǐ hé hóuzǐ de bèn érzi.

[BunnyGo]

Hey, EMC. Get a húndàn vote liú kǒushuǐ de biǎozǐ hé hóuzǐ de bèn érzi.

Seriously. Vote for either of Kalel or Hosuke (hey..choose hosuke since I can’t). Change it later if you want. But vote now