MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[ghug]

Bunny, going full death tunnel on Bona the entire damn time and wouldn’t possibly consider Bona is the doctor is probably the dumbass vig who shot him.

I want to scum you for all the bullshit you’ve done these phases, but you’re so clearly the vig based off all the insults you’ve thrown out at the vig when you’ll never insult anyone else makes it clear to me you’re a clear.

Drives
Me
Fucking
Nuts

...

Ok maybe worcej is town

How does this differ from this to you:

Quite a long list but what's wrong with my post?

Stating PR read bad.

Mostly because there's hope of damo learning.

I think it's more likely to be bad town play than anything else in both cases.

[heartthrob24909]

If my analysis is correct, then of the remaining players, only 3 have been a leading wagon (counting 3+ votes and having the most votes or tied) at some point in the game so far and live to tell the tale. Those are the following:
- Macca on Day 1 and Day 2
- Chaqa on Day 3
- Heartthrob (me) on Day 3

At the time the aforementioned wagon fell apart:
- alternative wagons to Macca on Day 1 were Just (S) and Sweet (S)
- alternative wagons to Macca on Day 2 were Temasek (T), Bona (T), and Ham (T)
- alternative wagons to Chaqa were Temasek (T) and ultimately Heartthrob (?)
- alternative wagon to Heartthrob was Temasek (T)

Additional wagons on surviving players that have emerged but did not gain enough momentum to ever take the lead are:
- a BunnyGo wagon emerged on Day 3 once Temasek (T) had already taken a commanding lead in the votes.

Can at least one person say something about this? I color coded it...

What do you conclude from it?

Not conclude so much as suggest: I think we should put pressure on different people today than we have in prior days. Worcej, ghug, damo, chaqa, rdr. Time for some of them to be in the heat.

Your turn!

[BunnyGo]

Chaqa dredging up shade about me being a shitty PR is weird and means nothing this game. His reads scream “I am scum and know more than you” and has shown little doubt and actual engagement with us discussing the situations at large

Spell it out for me: I usually just think of chaqa as pure chaos monkey with occasional brilliance as town. I have no idea what goes on in his head besides (Union busting) chipotle.

This game has felt like he is shipping it in and just not engaging. The fact he was so adamant that Jamie didn’t flag or see Bona makes no sense to me as a town mindset because Jamie came off as signaling it.

I felt he has been operating with little doubt in his game and not really questioning the situation each phase - just shoving his read out and nothing more.

Ok...I can go back and read with that in mind.

I'm trying not to take his hiatus in mind for his mental state. I've been thinking he'd be disengaged no matter what...but he does have pride in games.

[worcej]

I've never missed as vig.

I *hate* the ubermensch play instead of trusting town.

But you're right...that wasn't nice of me; I went from a high where they got scum to a low where they got doctor and I felt responsible for pushing the bona wagon with ghug.

Either way, you're right I'm town. Help me hunt...I'm not that great at hunting.

Chaqa is my top scum read. Read last post.

I am worried about ghug and rdr currently - as they are good players as either alignment. I am poor at reading them normally.

I've never vibed with rdr as hard as I have this game. Normally I find you to be the player most saying what I'm thinking, but this game literally every rdr post has said my thoughts.

I've seen him as scum many many times, but never felt that way before. Even his angry posts with Just felt authentic. I dunno about him being scum...seems tougher to believe.

ghug I can rarely read; every time I've voted scum!ghug has felt like luck or following someone else onto it.

His scum game always scares me because he is very good at being towny as scum.

I have irrational fears of certain players still existing in later phases of games - notable ghug, rdr, and bozo. They are great at being towny as scum and I just start doubting them as the game progresses.

[ghug]

Can at least one person say something about this? I color coded it...

What do you conclude from it?

Not conclude so much as suggest: I think we should put pressure on different people today than we have in prior days. Worcej, ghug, damo, chaqa, rdr. Time for some of them to be in the heat.

Your turn!

The D1 information on its own might make me suspect Macca, but the way the wagons went down (specifically Just voting Macca and being hesitant to vote sweet) make me not suspect Macca.

I think there's a decent shot at scum in Chaqa/heartthrob, mostly you, but again I don't really get that from the info as presented.

[BunnyGo]

Chaqa is my top scum read. Read last post.

I am worried about ghug and rdr currently - as they are good players as either alignment. I am poor at reading them normally.

I've never vibed with rdr as hard as I have this game. Normally I find you to be the player most saying what I'm thinking, but this game literally every rdr post has said my thoughts.

I've seen him as scum many many times, but never felt that way before. Even his angry posts with Just felt authentic. I dunno about him being scum...seems tougher to believe.

ghug I can rarely read; every time I've voted scum!ghug has felt like luck or following someone else onto it.

His scum game always scares me because he is very good at being towny as scum.

I have irrational fears of certain players still existing in later phases of games - notable ghug, rdr, and bozo. They are great at being towny as scum and I just start doubting them as the game progresses.

Does town!ghug advocate shooting bona that hard? I think he does...but I'm not 100% anymore.

[heartthrob24909]

What do you conclude from it?

Not conclude so much as suggest: I think we should put pressure on different people today than we have in prior days. Worcej, ghug, damo, chaqa, rdr. Time for some of them to be in the heat.

Your turn!

The D1 information on its own might make me suspect Macca, but the way the wagons went down (specifically Just voting Macca and being hesitant to vote sweet) make me not suspect Macca.

I think there's a decent shot at scum in Chaqa/heartthrob, mostly you, but again I don't really get that from the info as presented.

Thanks.

I honestly think it's kind of big that over half the group hasn't been under vote pressure yet after scum have been able to hide for a few rounds. Isn't that the sort of thing we'd want to start testing?

[worcej]

I've never vibed with rdr as hard as I have this game. Normally I find you to be the player most saying what I'm thinking, but this game literally every rdr post has said my thoughts.

I've seen him as scum many many times, but never felt that way before. Even his angry posts with Just felt authentic. I dunno about him being scum...seems tougher to believe.

ghug I can rarely read; every time I've voted scum!ghug has felt like luck or following someone else onto it.

His scum game always scares me because he is very good at being towny as scum.

I have irrational fears of certain players still existing in later phases of games - notable ghug, rdr, and bozo. They are great at being towny as scum and I just start doubting them as the game progresses.

Does town!ghug advocate shooting bona that hard? I think he does...but I'm not 100% anymore.

IDK why anyone advocates shooting bona with no CC coming. It made no sense to me.

[heartthrob24909]

What do you conclude from it?

Not conclude so much as suggest: I think we should put pressure on different people today than we have in prior days. Worcej, ghug, damo, chaqa, rdr. Time for some of them to be in the heat.

Your turn!

The D1 information on its own might make me suspect Macca, but the way the wagons went down (specifically Just voting Macca and being hesitant to vote sweet) make me not suspect Macca.

I think there's a decent shot at scum in Chaqa/heartthrob, mostly you, but again I don't really get that from the info as presented.

Re: your top conclusion - I have made a very similar one myself

[heartthrob24909]

Now I know how BunnyGo feels when he refreshes the page over and over and stares into the void.

Good night all, planning to be around again at end of day and maybe a little bit when I wake up tomorrow.

[ghug]

Not conclude so much as suggest: I think we should put pressure on different people today than we have in prior days. Worcej, ghug, damo, chaqa, rdr. Time for some of them to be in the heat.

Your turn!

The D1 information on its own might make me suspect Macca, but the way the wagons went down (specifically Just voting Macca and being hesitant to vote sweet) make me not suspect Macca.

I think there's a decent shot at scum in Chaqa/heartthrob, mostly you, but again I don't really get that from the info as presented.

Thanks.

I honestly think it's kind of big that over half the group hasn't been under vote pressure yet after scum have been able to hide for a few rounds. Isn't that the sort of thing we'd want to start testing?

I mean, there's a reason I said I wanted to start talking about worcej and rd, but we also don't really have time to gather information and there's obvious motive for you specifically to be looking to expand the voting pool.

[heartthrob24909]

The D1 information on its own might make me suspect Macca, but the way the wagons went down (specifically Just voting Macca and being hesitant to vote sweet) make me not suspect Macca.

I think there's a decent shot at scum in Chaqa/heartthrob, mostly you, but again I don't really get that from the info as presented.

Thanks.

I honestly think it's kind of big that over half the group hasn't been under vote pressure yet after scum have been able to hide for a few rounds. Isn't that the sort of thing we'd want to start testing?

I mean, there's a reason I said I wanted to start talking about worcej and rd, but we also don't really have time to gather information and there's obvious motive for you specifically to be looking to expand the voting pool.

Sure whatever but we can still be throwing those names out now so that even if you do give me the chop today, you all at least dont have to wait until next phase to start gathering this information you seek

[heartthrob24909]

##vote rdr

[heartthrob24909]

One question about Bunny, before i Go:

In my limited experience a game will have one or two high profile beefs where characters just love to argue back and forth. I feel like this game, BunnyGo has found himself in two memorable ones: with Just and with Bona.

Can those of you who've played with him more on webdip share any info around whether this in particular feels indicative of any alignment of his, or if he generally finds himself in these situations?

[Chaqa]

Chaqa has been fairly low effort...but not THAT low effort that neither would ever mention him.

I'm not clear on what you're concluding here.

How do two new players not mention him once?

Not quote any of his posts. Not mention his name?

Who is the second new player besides Will?

[Chaqa]

Could you elaborate on Tem?

Not really, and that's kinda the point. Maybe I've missed it, but Tem is the most non-present person from my perspective, and voted Macca D1 rather than either of the scum.

If this isn’t a scum slip I don’t know what is.

You don't know what a scum slip is, apparently.

[Chaqa]

The case on me is basically that you don't like that you were wrong about Jamie/Bona, and you all think I'm so bad and dumb at this game I should have been wrong, and the fact I saw this coming and asked the vig to shoot me means I'm DEFINITELY scum.

yawn

You guys know Chaqa better than I do. This kind of emotion in a post generally makes me think town in my limited experience but its one of those things that super depends on the individual...

Bunny probably knows the player from our other games that I'm referring to.

I know many of you think Chaqa and I are a scumpair but regardless I'm hoping for an answer to this

Que?

[Chaqa]

Chaqa dredging up shade about me being a shitty PR is weird and means nothing this game. His reads scream “I am scum and know more than you” and has shown little doubt and actual engagement with us discussing the situations at large

I sleep when worcej has bad takes

[Chaqa]

Chaqa dredging up shade about me being a shitty PR is weird and means nothing this game. His reads scream “I am scum and know more than you” and has shown little doubt and actual engagement with us discussing the situations at large

Spell it out for me: I usually just think of chaqa as pure chaos monkey with occasional brilliance as town. I have no idea what goes on in his head besides (Union busting) chipotle.

I wake with Bunny speaking the wisdom of the gods

[Chaqa]

Chaqa dredging up shade about me being a shitty PR is weird and means nothing this game. His reads scream “I am scum and know more than you” and has shown little doubt and actual engagement with us discussing the situations at large

Spell it out for me: I usually just think of chaqa as pure chaos monkey with occasional brilliance as town. I have no idea what goes on in his head besides (Union busting) chipotle.

This game has felt like he is shipping it in and just not engaging. The fact he was so adamant that Jamie didn’t flag or see Bona makes no sense to me as a town mindset because Jamie came off as signaling it.

I felt he has been operating with little doubt in his game and not really questioning the situation each phase - just shoving his read out and nothing more.

I use lazy decryption to analyze the game