Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

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Re: Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2621 Post by xorxes » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:54 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:35 am

Outing a potential town clear is not the same as a mass claim on a smaller scale. Here is why I find it hard to believe you think your idea was "low price/huge reward". First, I am sure you know the value in waiting to reveal a town clear until after the mafia have NKed the other town clears. Second and more important, if Hosuke was scum, he was already caught, there was no benefit of pushing it D2.
There was a huge benefit. If he was scum, not only would we have lynched scum D2, but I was 90% sure Fox and Jamie had to be scum with him. That's huge and keeping the uncertainty to D3 was not helpful.

Additionally, as I explained before, I wanted to save damo and Percy and his wagon was the most likely to grow.
Here is why a mass claim would have been useful. You don't want to lynch Percy, damo, or Chaqa because they have claimed various town roles. What if all three are scum? You claim inno child, what if you are scum? I am not supposed to consider lynching any of you because of your claims? The best way to play this would have been to claim roles so we could collect as many clears as possible, hope some scum are forced to claim roles that can eventually be disproven, and ignore all other roles.
You are restating the same benefits I stated above. Of the six roles that could be disproven (masons, vig, votestealer, inno child, bulletproof), five have already been claimed: two are proved town, two will soon be proved town, one will have to wait but I know is town, and the last one can no longer be proven, and they will have to make a good case on why they didn't try to prove themselves if they ever claim.

So the upside of your plan, given what we now know, would have been very low.

The downside of your plan would have been that we would not have the hope of benefitting from the few remaining roles that could still be useful (doctor, tracker, commuter, oracle, absorber).

So the way the roles were actually distributed, with town having most of the provable roles, your plan would have been a major disaster, don't you agree?

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#2622 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:00 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 am
how come the only time you guys ever annihilate scumteams is when im on them.
So, what you are saying is..... whichever team has you on it, is more likely to lose?

Ouch.

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#2623 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:02 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:42 am
how does fox not know llama is in the game if he is kiwi??
There is no llama in this game. The GM mentioned the llama by mistake.

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#2624 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:05 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:13 am
I'll start the smokescreen reveal.

If I'm Divine Presence, I targeted damo.
Oh, I see.

If I'm Divine Presence, I targeted myself.

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#2625 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm

Here is the latest, updates are needed since emc still shows up a few times. It is probably best to wait until EON.

12/17 reporting:
bozo: Chaqa, xorxes, damo, dargorygel, worcej
xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
brainbomb: bozo, flash, bo_sox, damo, dargorygel
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: Hosuke, Jamie, flash, Chaqa, dargorygel
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
rdrivera: Chaqa, foodcoats, flash, worcej, Foxcastle
worcej: Vapor, Hosuke, dargorygel, Chaqa, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum: damo, emc, Percy, xorxes, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor

bozo: 2
bo_sox: 5
brainbomb: 0
Chaqa: 7
damo: 4
dargorygel: 8
emc: 4
EspressoPatronum : 1
flash: 5.5
foodcoats: 3
Foxcastle: 1
ItsHosuke: 2
Jamie: 3
Percy: 4
rdrivera: 0
Vapor: 2.5
worcej: 4
xorxes: 4

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#2626 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:22 am
Jamie couldnt catch radiation poisoning at the Chernobyl meltdown
now hes cracked the code and deciphered that fox is mason with hosuke?
No. I thought it was Bozo. I've said this. I thought I'd worked it out but I was mistaken.

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#2627 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:09 pm

Also fwiw there wasn't a meltdown at Chernobyl. There was a conventional steam explosion which exposed the reactor core, but that's not the same as a meltdown. Yes I'm a pedant.

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#2628 Post by damo666 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 pm

xorxes wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:57 am
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:49 am
xorxes wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:37 am


Why would scum ever kill Chaqa?
Any comment on my lynch order.
Lynch or NK?

I don't really want to tell scum what I think their best strategy is though, what's the point of this speculation?
The lynch order. Not the NK order.

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#2629 Post by brainbomb » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:22 am
Jamie couldnt catch radiation poisoning at the Chernobyl meltdown
now hes cracked the code and deciphered that fox is mason with hosuke?
No. I thought it was Bozo. I've said this. I thought I'd worked it out but I was mistaken.
Are you scum with foxcastle?

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#2630 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:18 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:22 am
Jamie couldnt catch radiation poisoning at the Chernobyl meltdown
now hes cracked the code and deciphered that fox is mason with hosuke?
No. I thought it was Bozo. I've said this. I thought I'd worked it out but I was mistaken.
Are you scum with foxcastle?
I am not scum with anyone.

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#2631 Post by ItsHosuke » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:19 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:57 am
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:49 am


Any comment on my lynch order.
Lynch or NK?

I don't really want to tell scum what I think their best strategy is though, what's the point of this speculation?
The lynch order. Not the NK order.
Where is it?

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#2632 Post by ItsHosuke » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:21 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm
Here is the latest, updates are needed since emc still shows up a few times. It is probably best to wait until EON.

12/17 reporting:
bozo: Chaqa, xorxes, damo, dargorygel, worcej
xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
brainbomb: bozo, flash, bo_sox, damo, dargorygel
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: Hosuke, Jamie, flash, Chaqa, dargorygel
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
rdrivera: Chaqa, foodcoats, flash, worcej, Foxcastle
worcej: Vapor, Hosuke, dargorygel, Chaqa, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum: damo, emc, Percy, xorxes, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor

bozo: 2
bo_sox: 5
brainbomb: 0
Chaqa: 7
damo: 4
dargorygel: 8
emc: 4
EspressoPatronum : 1
flash: 5.5
foodcoats: 3
Foxcastle: 1
ItsHosuke: 2
Jamie: 3
Percy: 4
rdrivera: 0
Vapor: 2.5
worcej: 4
xorxes: 4
My scumreads for now (not to be trusted) damo xorxes percy dargorygel chaqa

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#2633 Post by damo666 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:23 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:25 am
ItsHosuke wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:08 am
brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:24 am
Fox and Hosuke are not clears.
they arent even town.

Jamie, Fox, and Hosuke outted themselves as scum in their ruse N1. they hatched this plan and put it together if hosuke got under duress
@brainbomb Man, really? Why are you so adamant on us being scum? Am I really too much of a newb?
Don't worry ItsHosuke scum will NK brain tonight.
Me N3
Percy N4
rdr N5
Xorxes N6
Chaqa N7

If in the interim we lynch from remaining players we might have a chance. My suggested order is:
Darg
Flash
ESP
Bo
Bozo
Worcej
Vapor
Jamie
Food

Obviously if Percy survives beyond N4 lynch him.
FOR ItsHosuke

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#2634 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:24 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:47 am
Hey bozo, if you're online/free over the next few hours, can you follow up with people to get more smokescreen reveals? You're the only one who's done it so far, so I imagine you can also point ppl toward the relevant posts explaining the purpose of the smokescreen.

Things get drowned out in the chat pretty quickly, so a couple reminders might be necessary.
I tried to get something like this going in a game before, it is referred to as hypo claiming. I support it here in case the DP did target the janitor.

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#2635 Post by ItsHosuke » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:27 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:23 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:25 am
ItsHosuke wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:08 am


@brainbomb Man, really? Why are you so adamant on us being scum? Am I really too much of a newb?
Don't worry ItsHosuke scum will NK brain tonight.
Me N3
Percy N4
rdr N5
Xorxes N6
Chaqa N7

If in the interim we lynch from remaining players we might have a chance. My suggested order is:
Darg
Flash
ESP
Bo
Bozo
Worcej
Vapor
Jamie
Food

Obviously if Percy survives beyond N4 lynch him.
FOR ItsHosuke
I see. That kinda makes sense.

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#2636 Post by damo666 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:28 pm

@ItsHo your scumteam is daft. It includes 4 claimants. What's the likelihood of that? I agree with Darg but imo you have an absolute max of 1 other, probably zero.

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#2637 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:30 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:28 pm
@ItsHo your scumteam is daft. It includes 4 claimants. What's the likelihood of that? I agree with Darg but imo you have an absolute max of 1 other, probably zero.
Well, hang on a moment.

Is it as crazy as all that?

What if the Mafia strategy was for the majority of the team (say, 3 out of 5) to claim the *fake* roles they'd been given, knowing they can't be CC'ed, in the hope that the claimants would survive into mid-game, and the one or two non-claimants could bus like hell and survive to the finale?

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#2638 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:30 pm

xorxes wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:54 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:35 am

Outing a potential town clear is not the same as a mass claim on a smaller scale. Here is why I find it hard to believe you think your idea was "low price/huge reward". First, I am sure you know the value in waiting to reveal a town clear until after the mafia have NKed the other town clears. Second and more important, if Hosuke was scum, he was already caught, there was no benefit of pushing it D2.
There was a huge benefit. If he was scum, not only would we have lynched scum D2, but I was 90% sure Fox and Jamie had to be scum with him. That's huge and keeping the uncertainty to D3 was not helpful.

Additionally, as I explained before, I wanted to save damo and Percy and his wagon was the most likely to grow.
Here is why a mass claim would have been useful. You don't want to lynch Percy, damo, or Chaqa because they have claimed various town roles. What if all three are scum? You claim inno child, what if you are scum? I am not supposed to consider lynching any of you because of your claims? The best way to play this would have been to claim roles so we could collect as many clears as possible, hope some scum are forced to claim roles that can eventually be disproven, and ignore all other roles.
You are restating the same benefits I stated above. Of the six roles that could be disproven (masons, vig, votestealer, inno child, bulletproof), five have already been claimed: two are proved town, two will soon be proved town, one will have to wait but I know is town, and the last one can no longer be proven, and they will have to make a good case on why they didn't try to prove themselves if they ever claim.

So the upside of your plan, given what we now know, would have been very low.

The downside of your plan would have been that we would not have the hope of benefitting from the few remaining roles that could still be useful (doctor, tracker, commuter, oracle, absorber).

So the way the roles were actually distributed, with town having most of the provable roles, your plan would have been a major disaster, don't you agree?
That depends on whether Percy, damo, Chaqa, or you are scum using fake claims to avoid getting lynched.

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#2639 Post by damo666 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:31 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm
Here is the latest, updates are needed since emc still shows up a few times. It is probably best to wait until EON.

12/17 reporting:
bozo: Chaqa, xorxes, damo, dargorygel, worcej
xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
brainbomb: bozo, flash, bo_sox, damo, dargorygel
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: Hosuke, Jamie, flash, Chaqa, dargorygel
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
rdrivera: Chaqa, foodcoats, flash, worcej, Foxcastle
worcej: Vapor, Hosuke, dargorygel, Chaqa, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum: damo, emc, Percy, xorxes, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor

bozo: 2
bo_sox: 5
brainbomb: 0
Chaqa: 7
damo: 4
dargorygel: 8
emc: 4
EspressoPatronum : 1
flash: 5.5
foodcoats: 3
Foxcastle: 1
ItsHosuke: 2
Jamie: 3
Percy: 4
rdrivera: 0
Vapor: 2.5
worcej: 4
xorxes: 4
My update (doubt it will change before EON and I won't be on last 2 hours)

Darg
Flash
EP
Bo
Worcej

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#2640 Post by damo666 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:32 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:14 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:08 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:22 am
Jamie couldnt catch radiation poisoning at the Chernobyl meltdown
now hes cracked the code and deciphered that fox is mason with hosuke?
No. I thought it was Bozo. I've said this. I thought I'd worked it out but I was mistaken.
Are you scum with foxcastle?
Brain please use yours. Leave Fox/ItsHo until tomorrow.

@rdr please provide test scenario, brain obviously incapable.

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