M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[Jamiet99uk]

"Oh look, there are five minutes left to EoD....

"I'm one of the lead wagons...

"I will start catching up and also very slowly write a short post about Kakorotto that will take me 6 minutes to write...

"This is a reasonable response to this situation."



- Kalel asks us to believe that this was his thought process.

[KalelChase]

"Oh look, there are five minutes left to EoD....

"I'm one of the lead wagons...

"I will start catching up and also very slowly write a short post about Kakorotto that will take me 6 minutes to write...

"This is a reasonable response to this situation."



- Kalel asks us to believe that this was his thought process.

Wow man. You asked a question, I gave you an honest answer. Clearly I'm a stupid stupid Mafia player. You've made your point.

[Jamiet99uk]

"Oh look, there are five minutes left to EoD....

"I'm one of the lead wagons...

"I will start catching up and also very slowly write a short post about Kakorotto that will take me 6 minutes to write...

"This is a reasonable response to this situation."



- Kalel asks us to believe that this was his thought process.

Wow man. You asked a question, I gave you an honest answer. Clearly I'm a stupid stupid Mafia player. You've made your point.

Don't worry, Kalel. I don't think you're completely stupid. No, I think you're *scum* who is *lying*.

And if you are just bad town playing badly? Well, at least you can't do as badly as Brainbomb. You'll always have that as a consolation.

Don't take this personally. This is a game where people accuse each other of being liars and fakes, as an integral part of gameplay. Your team is in with a good chance of winning.

[KalelChase]

"Oh look, there are five minutes left to EoD....

"I'm one of the lead wagons...

"I will start catching up and also very slowly write a short post about Kakorotto that will take me 6 minutes to write...

"This is a reasonable response to this situation."



- Kalel asks us to believe that this was his thought process.

Wow man. You asked a question, I gave you an honest answer. Clearly I'm a stupid stupid Mafia player. You've made your point.

Don't worry, Kalel. I don't think you're completely stupid. No, I think you're *scum* who is *lying*.

And if you are just bad town playing badly? Well, at least you can't do as badly as Brainbomb. You'll always have that as a consolation.

Don't take this personally. This is a game where people accuse each other of being liars and fakes, as an integral part of gameplay. Your team is in with a good chance of winning.

You actually are calling me stupid, you just don't know it for sure yet. I don't take it personally, after all this is a Diplomacy site, and I saw your performance as Iron Man.

I just don't understand why when I'm town I'm considered scum, and when I'm scum I'm considered town (to be clear on this second piece, the first time I was scum I had another scum team to hunt so I was helpful so that makes sense, and the second time there was the massclaim thing).

I'm of a high level of confidence that we're on the same team, so I disagree on your last point.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh sure I sucked in that game. My shots were **bad**.

[Kitsune]

Hi Kalel, I'd be sorry to see you go and I absolutely get the frustration of being repeatedly misread.

You may not remember, but M51 I had the dubious honour of being flash-lynched as the Doctor and I'm not at all certain I'd have been any more fortunate had I been awake and online to defend myself.

Once this game is over I'd love a chance to chat in PM or Discord or wherever and compare our Mafia experiences, and how we've each tried to decipher this madness with one tool or another.

And maybe I can actually get to see your spreadsheet! :)

[Kitsune]

My current reads from Towniest to Scummiest are:

TOWN
Jamiet99uk
KalelChase
Foxcastle
BobMcBob
foodcoats
flash2015
BunnyGo
Kakarroto
SCUM

I will happily answer any questions about any of these reads that you like after EoN, but will leave this list here in case I get caught up between now and end of phase. If I get murdered, this is a hint as to who I was expecting to vote to lynch today.

[BobMcBob]

I have a good idea who I want to lynch today. I've changed my mind for first lynch choice. It starts with a B and it's not me.

[Kitsune]

I have a good idea who I want to lynch today. I've changed my mind for first lynch choice. It starts with a B and it's not me.

Brainbomb is already dead though.

[Foxcastle]

Bunny looks scummy as fuck to me after that EOD. I haven't had time to go back and seriously dig through it, but plan on that first thing. Bunny is careful and calculated and planned as either alignment, so the idea that he would unvote because he thought that was just as good as a vote for another wagon rings very false, as does his response that he just didn't think about it.

Flash remains on my scum list as a priority, followed by Damo. Kakarroto is also now on the list after the last EOD. My lynch priority is in those 4.

I don't see the Kalel case. Bob, Kit, and Foodcoats seem fine. I have gone back and forth on Jamiet, so am going to continue to watch, but I think he's town, certainly compared to my top choices.

[Kitsune]

Bunny looks scummy as fuck to me after that EOD. I haven't had time to go back and seriously dig through it, but plan on that first thing. Bunny is careful and calculated and planned as either alignment, so the idea that he would unvote because he thought that was just as good as a vote for another wagon rings very false, as does his response that he just didn't think about it.

Flash remains on my scum list as a priority, followed by Damo. Kakarroto is also now on the list after the last EOD. My lynch priority is in those 4.

I don't see the Kalel case. Bob, Kit, and Foodcoats seem fine. I have gone back and forth on Jamiet, so am going to continue to watch, but I think he's town, certainly compared to my top choices.

Er... Foxcastle?

Damo is dead.

Who do you mean here?

[Foxcastle]

Bunny looks scummy as fuck to me after that EOD. I haven't had time to go back and seriously dig through it, but plan on that first thing. Bunny is careful and calculated and planned as either alignment, so the idea that he would unvote because he thought that was just as good as a vote for another wagon rings very false, as does his response that he just didn't think about it.

Flash remains on my scum list as a priority, followed by Damo. Kakarroto is also now on the list after the last EOD. My lynch priority is in those 4.

I don't see the Kalel case. Bob, Kit, and Foodcoats seem fine. I have gone back and forth on Jamiet, so am going to continue to watch, but I think he's town, certainly compared to my top choices.

Er... Foxcastle?

Damo is dead.

Who do you mean here?

Bleh, sorry, I meant Brainbomb.

Actually, I meant nothing, it has been a stupid day for me, but I wanted to make sure I got a reads list in just in case (everyone should be, at this point), and I guess including him was just my brain regurgitating outdated game state.

[Kakarroto]

who had 3+ on them as wagon: bunny(4), bob(5), jamie(4), flash(3), kalel(5) (you could say me (4) as well but I don't count that since it was self fabricated)
who didn't: foxcastle, kitsune, food, myself (if you don't count my self fabricated)
I think, scum didn't get much pressure this game, scum would be easy to find in this group

also, there is still the question: why are we alive, why are the others dead. Part of that, I believe, are our reads. I think scum doesn't nk the ones with bad reads like myself, because of the usefulness to scum.

pretty much town
Jamie - I think he dies tonight. I can only see him being scum in the team jamie-bunny-flash
Bunny - with being the only one to go to me to vote at EoD, he got may town points from me.

townish but a bit unsure
Kitsune - while I didn't like the reaction, when I was voting for myself (scared? because I'd flip town?) I like the rest I see, plus stayed on until last minute to avoid a tie.
bob & kalel - I think both fits into the same category, doing something, trying to help, but playing into the hands of scum.

scummy
flash - I still see no efforts, we are on the brink of losing. Or are you not?
foxcastle - don't remember damo's dead? or brain? that's too disturbing. That raised too many red flags, fox also fits into the category of not having gotten much pressure
food - why am I obvtown to food? that just doesn't fit

[Chaqa]

Night has ended. Please hold.

[Chaqa]

(still at work, so no flavor... again)

Jamiet99uk has died! He was Yellowjacket, a WebDip Member!

Day 4 has begun.

[BobMcBob]

##Vote Bunny

[Kakarroto]

you still haven't told me, why I look obvtown to you ##vote foodcoats

[Foxcastle]

To be clear Kakarroto, the part about Brainbomb was a joke. The inclusion of Damo was an error, all I can say is that work fried my brain today and I rushed to get some thoughts down before EON based on what I had been holding in my head.

[BobMcBob]

Since we're at MiLo, we need to make sure we lynch scum today and tomorrow, hold the lynch the day after, and then lynch the last scum on the final day (it's a real strategy, they did it in M46 or something). So we need to make sure that scum can't force a mislynch or else they win.

[Kitsune]

Since we're at MiLo, we need to make sure we lynch scum today and tomorrow, hold the lynch the day after, and then lynch the last scum on the final day (it's a real strategy, they did it in M46 or something). So we need to make sure that scum can't force a mislynch or else they win.

Which means I'll take a lot of persuading to move away from my own reads, and will do as much investigation as I can.

For now, sticking with what I know until I have time to review and see if anything has changed in my eyes.

##vote Kakarroto

Fox? Bob?

The case on Bunny please? I mean, I see some scumminess there (see my readlist before EoN and he's certainly been erratic) but we can't afford any more mistakes at this point.

I want to know we have our rabbit.