MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[dargorygel]

(if damo will scan one if the cc companions I am back to worcej)

[xorxes]

Please vote, preferably with a brief reason, on who I should read from the following candidates.

Bozo
Chaqa
EMC
Fox
ND
Tem

Thanks.

Are the Inari CC players not going to be read?

Not necessary at this stage. If Jamiet turns out to be the roleblocker, they can verify themselves with their roleblock power.

[damo666]

So how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?

I will switch back if needed.

But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)

Yes. As long as Bunny, Xorxes and I don't move votes and nobody joins either wagon it doesn't matter where other votes go (though obviously should be restricted to Itso Kalel or worcej).

Btw Darg nice to both still be here day 2 eh?

[xorxes]

So how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?

I will switch back if needed.

But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)

There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.

[dargorygel]

So how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?

I will switch back if needed.

But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)

Yes. As long as Bunny, Xorxes and I don't move votes and nobody joins either wagon it doesn't matter where other votes go (though obviously should be restricted to Itso Kalel or worcej).

Btw Darg nice to both still be here day 2 eh?

Our pact worked! Although it helped that neither of us are killer roles...

[damo666]

Please vote, preferably with a brief reason, on who I should read from the following candidates.

Bozo
Chaqa
EMC
Fox
ND
Tem

Thanks.

Are the Inari CC players not going to be read?

They are not candidates for the vote. And I know I'm not answering your question.

[xorxes]

So how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?

I will switch back if needed.

But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)

There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.

Well, the leading wagon has to be at least 4 strong. But there will be time to consolidate.

[dargorygel]

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

[damo666]

So how can we switch to a companion vote without messing up the voting plan? We need to be United on a wagon, right?

I will switch back if needed.

But for now ##vote itshosuke (really superstition)

There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.

Well, the leading wagon has to be at least 4 strong. But there will be time to consolidate.

Oh yeah. Add that last caveat to my post 2463

[xorxes]

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

Exactly.

[damo666]

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

And knowing my luck I'll read the backup!

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote Kalel

[peterlund]

There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.

Maybe we need one wagon with 2 votes and one other with 3 votes just to prevent someone joining Xorx voting Xorx the last minute?

[damo666]

I know worcej MIGHT be reaver. But the logic there doesn't seem to me to be support that he is. Just that he isn't NOT the reaver. He might be scum, but so WILL be one of the companions.

Vote a companion. They have backups.

Which also will rule out another VT claimant from the potential scum list.

Exactly.

This is valid and because people are sometimes a tad slow there might be a late wagon on one or both of these which is why I am reluctant to read them and prefer to restrict it to the vt list.

[damo666]

There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.

Maybe we need one wagon with 2 votes and one other with 3 votes just to prevent someone joining Xorx voting Xorx the last minute?

Joining X would be suicide, who is gonna do that?

[ND]

I'm cool with being voted off. It's about what I would expect from King Nitwit. The loss of a VT isn't huge and Xorxes already railroaded one VT. Don't see why he wouldn't do it to another. But, known scum or if he is the BH is better than me.

##VOTE WORCEJ

I'll check in when I can. I gots dnd and shit fools.

[bozotheclown]

Mafia and Reavers need BH dead to win.

Sorry Xorx! This is simply NOT TRUE.

Both Maf1 and Maf2 have the same text in their win-con "... and the Neutral has not yet won."

TOWN:
"You are part of the town and you win when both Mafia factions are eliminated and the Neutral has not yet won."

MAFIA:
"You are part of the Alliance and you win when both Town and Reaver factions are eliminated or cannot win and the Neutral has not yet won."

From a numbers perspective, the BH is just like another townie, except that the game ends if certain people are dead before them.

The Mafia team has to reduce the sum total of the other factions to the same number as them. The BH counts as another number against them. If town lynches the BH, Mafia is just as happy or happier than if town lynches one of their own.

The town has to eliminate the Mafia teams. From town's perspective BH is just like another townie, except not especially cooperative and with dangerous strings attached. But from a numbers perspective in facing the Mafia, they count as one more town.

bozo insists that lynching BH does not count as a mislynch, but that's semantics. It very much does count as a mislynch in terms of how many we got before LYLO.

Lynching someone strongly suspected of being BH when they are extremely far from their win condition, and when we have a way to detect if they were lying, and a way to detect when they become truly dangerous, is anti-town.

The part about lylo is only true if the BH cooperates with town, and worcej has indicated he would like to see the mafia win.

The part about being "extremely far from their win condition" is not true, as I pointed out earlier, the BH could win by N2 if thing go terribly wrong.

The part about being "strongly suspected of being BH" is not true for a lot of players, myself included. I thought it was maybe 50/50, but the more I think about it, the more I doubt worcej because of his claimed targets.

[xorxes]

There's no need for anyone else to do anything specific, other than not join my wagon or Bunny's. The rest of the wagons are irrelevant to the test.

Maybe we need one wagon with 2 votes and one other with 3 votes just to prevent someone joining Xorx voting Xorx the last minute?

I think ##VOTE no-lynch solves that problem.

A wagon with 3 votes wouldn't do anything is someone jumps on me, I would be potentially at 4 votes.

[damo666]

@Peter @Jamie you should switch votes. EMC is not getting lynched. Mod killed knowing him but not lynched.

[bozotheclown]

##vote hosu

Knowing him, he probs got subbed into a scum role.

This is dangerous. We need to make sure three no other wagons around 2 or 4 votes so xorxes’ test is foolproof

It does not matter as long as there is at least one wagon with exactly 2 votes and xorxes votes on a single wagon.