M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

You're really bad at reading.

Yes...and? What does this mean to you?

GM NOTE

A question was raised about how Circle of the Moon would work with there being a God Thread.

So players are aware, this game features an unspoiled environment upon death, regardless of whether there was a circle of the moon or knowledge role in play. This is mostly to spawn unique dialogue which I feel is often tainted by people spectating with an answer sheet.

Reads to me like "no God Thread". Maybe some "unspoiled environment" but no "God Thread".

But if there's Circle of the Moon, then I doubt he'd allow all the ghosts to talk to the one that's sent back...

You read brain fine, but you fell short on ghug.

Your one liners of snark bounce off my helm of confidence +3

[Fluminator]

@Jamiet have you ever played with Damo before?

Forgive me, I did not notice this question.

Yes I have.

To me Damo is pretty consistent across all games, so what's different about Damo this time that has you tunneling in him?

[foodcoats]

Proof Fox is Mafia:

"What I learned from last game is that your style of play just gets my attention in the wrong way and I need to learn other ways to read you. That's what I meant when I suggested we avoid last game's debacle."

"I mean, it's kind of the same, but I'm the one who has deliberately not scumread you. No offense, something about the way you type in these games makes me think you're scum in my very bones. Thus we had an enormous ongoing battle in the first game we played together. But then I reflected on the experience and learned, and so now I don't use that as the basis for my assessment of you."

How? I'm saying the same thing in both of these posts, which I think validates my claim pretty well that I am deliberately discounting my gut reaction to your posting. The point is that there is something about your tone, diction, style, how you argue, etc that rubs me the wrong way and makes me think you're scum when in reality it's NAI.

Sweet sounds like scum when he is town and is prone to sound townie when he is scum, unless he has realized the latter and corrected it. He is “nicer” when scum.

[foodcoats]

@Jamiet have you ever played with Damo before?

Forgive me, I did not notice this question.

Yes I have.

To me Damo is pretty consistent across all games, so what's different about Damo this time that has you tunneling in him?

I know you’re asking Jamie but I should contribute to this because I agree with Jamie that Damo is obvscum.

Damo’s tonal range is very flat as town. He is “unflappable.” He is more “extremified” when scum. In the past I have IDd him based on jokes, and also illogicalities that he would not make as town, because as town he is exceedingly objective.

Here we have seen him act obtuse and not explain his actions, where typical town damo is incredibly straightforward and direct.

[TheMadMonarch]

##VOTE Damo

[Fluminator]

In case my point about Balki v Fox wasn't clear:

I don't care much that Balki has a history of tunneling Fox. I care more about if Balkis case in this game is credible. People are reacting to Fox's defense but not saying much about Balkis original case which worries me

Squigs is town.

Why is it this post that cements this for you?

[Fluminator]

##vote Flavius

Get his teammate Ham 2m.

Damo, why did you jump off HB to try to start a new wagon on Flav here?

[worcej]

Balki called FoxCastle low impact, and attributed that to scumminess. Do people think Fox isn't low impact, or do they think he isn't scummy for that? Or do you agree with Balki?

Skimming the bot (because I have to), I don’t think I’d consider Fox low impact - mid tier posting in the game and engaging with numerous people. Compare that to the bottom half of players and he’s definitely more impact.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not very caught up but let me start here:

##vote Diplomacy

I truly have no idea what's going on being almost 40 pages behind. I don't have the time to get caught up on the whole game this evening, but his D1 post count is beyond normal to me for his slot and I think he may be excited scum.

Again - I am not following the damo wagon here. Using the bot, Jamie's at least saying he's scum and crusaded HB. Col7by doesn't explain his reasoning well enough for me to see and lfischl is voting damo because of HB.

Was damo really the main manipulator for the HB wagon? He voted him first but then wasn't a deciding vote to ensure he died... I don't see the context to blame him for it.

Iso Damo's posts from D1.

You will see him endvoting Hamilton quite early on, and repeatedly pushing him without providing any real reasons.

He was screaming "Hamilton is obvscum!!!!" in repeated posts, yet when questioned, would not elaborate.

He was a big driver of the Hamilton wagon.

Damo is obvscum!!!!

In all seriousness, Jamie, how would you describe damo’s scum game? If you were describing it prior to the start of this game? How would you contrast it to his town game?

[BunnyGo]

##VOTE Damo

Why?

[Foxcastle]

OK Bozo. Why the sudden vote / unvote?

Wild Magic: Once per game, may choose to freeze all votes for the day, allowing only people who have not voted to still place a vote. This will be processed as a live action.

Yike.

##Unvote

(But my voting INTENTION is to vote for Damo - who is Obvscum!!!!)

I don't think we should hold votes out of fear that Wild Magic might lock us in. Wild Magic might ruin one day (if it even exists), but if people are consistently holding votes and unvoting, that's going to weaken our ability to analyze the entire game.

[worcej]

Huh so Ezio showed up and whined and left.

We have to kill that slot because it will do nothing and we can’t have that later.

##VOTE Ezio

I dont understand why we HAVE to kill a lurker TODAY. Its like taking a shot in the dark, we just need to do a better job pressuring them to talk

What do we gain by leaving a lurker alive?
What do we gain by leaving an active player alive?

This cold logic always seems to be chastised/dismissed in prior games and I’ll be curious to see if that has happened yet.

[Fluminator]

Forgive me, I did not notice this question.

Yes I have.

To me Damo is pretty consistent across all games, so what's different about Damo this time that has you tunneling in him?

I know you’re asking Jamie but I should contribute to this because I agree with Jamie that Damo is obvscum.

Damo’s tonal range is very flat as town. He is “unflappable.” He is more “extremified” when scum. In the past I have IDd him based on jokes, and also illogicalities that he would not make as town, because as town he is exceedingly objective.

Here we have seen him act obtuse and not explain his actions, where typical town damo is incredibly straightforward and direct.

Until the last couple minutes, it looked like the wagon could go either way between Damo and HB. Do you think mafia are okay with letting Damo get that close to death when in the chaos it would have been easy to swing on any other wagon?
Who do you think looks bad if Damo is scum?

[Foxcastle]

Here's my theory: Damo is scum. Foodcoats slipped up an crossposted his "WOOO" to the wrong thread and then tried to play it off. Foodcoats is now bussing Damo to further cover his tracks.

[worcej]

In case my point about Balki v Fox wasn't clear:

I don't care much that Balki has a history of tunneling Fox. I care more about if Balkis case in this game is credible. People are reacting to Fox's defense but not saying much about Balkis original case which worries me

Squigs is town.

Why is it this post that cements this for you?

I feel Squigs is being analytical and trying to read deeper into thoughts that scum would struggle to fake.

[worcej]

I see there is this big FoxCastle argument, and I would like to see results from FoxCastle's spreadsheet before any suspicions are laid upon him, I think it'll tell us a lot. But I think its about time we recieved them. @FoxCastle?

strongly strongly dislike this post

He heard an airplane and got distracted as it flew over his head.

[Squigs44]

Balki called FoxCastle low impact, and attributed that to scumminess. Do people think Fox isn't low impact, or do they think he isn't scummy for that? Or do you agree with Balki?

Skimming the bot (because I have to), I don’t think I’d consider Fox low impact - mid tier posting in the game and engaging with numerous people. Compare that to the bottom half of players and he’s definitely more impact.

Sure he's posting, and his posts have been asking questions and weighing in. But he voted 2 lurkers and then his HB was framed as saving damo. And today he has no vote. He hasn't led the charge on anyone, he's contributing from the fringes. It's still contributing, but it really hasn't impacted wagons in any meaningful way, other than to condemn HB over damo (which is NAI at best)

[Foxcastle]

Here's my theory: Damo is scum. Foodcoats slipped up an crossposted his "WOOO" to the wrong thread and then tried to play it off. Foodcoats is now bussing Damo to further cover his tracks.

Hm, actually food pushed Damo D1 pretty heavily and pushed him into a tie with Ham near EOD.

Still, I think the best explanation for his "WOOO" post is that it was meant for the scum thread. It still makes sense if you consider that Food was playing a highwire act bussing Damo, so he'd be thrilled that his risk paid off.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE DAMO

[Squigs44]

Here's my theory: Damo is scum. Foodcoats slipped up an crossposted his "WOOO" to the wrong thread and then tried to play it off. Foodcoats is now bussing Damo to further cover his tracks.

Foxy finally getting spicy