MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Kitsune]

No it should be yavu, also everyone should stop talking at night, it allows mafia to coordinate, not good, and also prepare for the next day, give them no more information

Oh god, this argument again lmao

Ok yes I have talked about this before but it’s a real thing and I won’t give it up, there’s PLENTY of time to talk in the daytime literally zero reason to be talking at night

Unless you consider yourself a possible nk-target.

In which case, bottle up a good long post and drop it just before EoN when it's hopefully too late for Mafia to read and respond.

[purplecow]

Does that put the "HURR DURR CHAQA DA STRONGMAN" theories to rest?

Next lynch should be KItsune IMO.

No it should be yavu, also everyone should stop talking at night, it allows mafia to coordinate, not good, and also prepare for the next day, give them no more information

Wait to talk about this until after EON. One of your main suspects could be killed.

[xorxes]

Does that put the "HURR DURR CHAQA DA STRONGMAN" theories to rest?

Next lynch should be KItsune IMO.

I'm happy with this wagon for now.

I'm glad I was right about rdr, and apparently wrong about Tom.

Your refusing to vote for rdr at the end and all the objections you were raising was kind of weird though. With a claim like that, and with rivera not claiming anything important, there was no reason not to lynch.

Or maybe you are the real Sherlock and Tom pulled one of his signature moves again, which would be even more awesome.

[Chaqa]

I could be lynched tomorrow if there’s any doubt so that Jack doesn’t have a clear target though.

[FlaviusAetius]

Does that put the "HURR DURR CHAQA DA STRONGMAN" theories to rest?

Next lynch should be KItsune IMO.

No it should be yavu, also everyone should stop talking at night, it allows mafia to coordinate, not good, and also prepare for the next day, give them no more information

Wait to talk about this until after EON. One of your main suspects could be killed.

True, its no secret I want yavu dead though, so yea but thank you for agreeing with this, no talking at night!! also person who said make big EoN post, hmm ok I like the sound of that

[xorxes]

I could be lynched tomorrow if there’s any doubt so that Jack doesn’t have a clear target though.

Nah, let the poor man have something, we can't waste lynches.

[Kitsune]

Does that put the "HURR DURR CHAQA DA STRONGMAN" theories to rest?

Next lynch should be KItsune IMO.

I'm happy with this wagon for now.

I'm glad I was right about rdr, and apparently wrong about Tom.

Your refusing to vote for rdr at the end and all the objections you were raising was kind of weird though. With a claim like that, and with rivera not claiming anything important, there was no reason not to lynch.

Or maybe you are the real Sherlock and Tom pulled one of his signature moves again, which would be even more awesome.

I misunderstood what he'd said and was going over the roles trying to understand how he (presuming he was claiming Sherlock) was saying he'd seen someone watching you (Xorxes).

I missed that he was talking about two different nights, and wondered if we had a scumslip happening.

[ND]

Some thoughts:

Purplecow: nothing he has done in this game is town indicative. Just sheeps people on their votes basically his whole game. He plays a quiet game, blends in, sheeps the dominant wagon. This play is something I’ve seen before. It’s characteristic of new scum.

Kitsune: Extremely scum indicative play at the end of day 2. That is enough for a lynch. Openly dismissing Tom’s Sherlock claim and directly voting for him? I don’t buy the he didn’t understand (before he offers that defense). He was playing the role of a chaos agent and trying to run out the clock on Tom. If the Scum got Tom/Sherlock lynched D2 that frees them up for a night kill. Now they have to attempt to night kill Tom keyword is attempt. We’ll see if Tom can be saved or not.

Chaqa: Chaqa has emerged as a *town* leader, but he is a negative town leader aka a false idol. His entire case on Tom is, like I said when I saw it, weak. It’s built entirely on meta evidence. It’s built entirely on things that happened in games past. The very few pieces from this game revolve around Vapor and a one off comment he made that was probably misunderstood anyway. It was a bad case. People who voted for Tom based on this case are suspect for even buying into it. Anyway, I digress. Yes, there was a moment I thought he was scum, a moment I thought he was town, and now I’m back to scum. Reads evolve around play. Chaqa has a history (Fake claiming, this Tom BS case, etc) His play has now cost two PR’s to have to reveal themselves. (Me and Tom). Chaqa should be lynched.

Yav, Cmdr, Bionic, and Darg remain second and tertiary suspects

[CmdrLikely]

Yay! That felt like when you're missing a puzzle piece, but now you found it and you are starting to see what the whole puzzle is. [/bad_analgoy] Has anybody been keeping spreadsheets specifically on who was buddying/bussing who? It's off the top of my head, but the last day or so has been feeling like cliques are forming. Like group A is scummy to people in group B, and vice versa. I'll map it out later. I'm busy rest of today though. G'night

[Temasek22]

Sorry guys, my alarm clock failed me and I missed EoD... Apparently we're annihilating Moriathy's team and Tom claimed Sherlock(?) and I reread the thread twice not seeing his post. Nice job getting the strongman, btw

[xorxes]

Starting the game on this weekend is pretty bad to me I don't have time to play decently. And I will probably be offline at EOD.

Right now I got solid towny vibes from Dargo and emc. Bunny and Xorxes had good moments but they could be hunting the other faction. And I think Chaqa is really Jekkil.

I don't like the Bob "claim" thing and justification, looks a lot like Ezio last game. I still don't like Damo, it's a bit of OMGUS but I have a feeling I might've hit something to get him to be so defensive to the point of voting me. I have also a weird feeling about Temasek too, but it's about tone.

As Bob is already receiving pressure ##vote Damo

D1 reads from rivera. Classic rivera scumreading teammate Bob. I think dargo and emc are most likely not the last member of Mafia1 from these reads. Temasek could go either way, but I doubt he would mention both teammates here.

[Chaqa]

Some thoughts:

Purplecow: nothing he has done in this game is town indicative. Just sheeps people on their votes basically his whole game. He plays a quiet game, blends in, sheeps the dominant wagon. This play is something I’ve seen before. It’s characteristic of new scum.

Kitsune: Extremely scum indicative play at the end of day 2. That is enough for a lynch. Openly dismissing Tom’s Sherlock claim and directly voting for him? I don’t buy the he didn’t understand (before he offers that defense). He was playing the role of a chaos agent and trying to run out the clock on Tom. If the Scum got Tom/Sherlock lynched D2 that frees them up for a night kill. Now they have to attempt to night kill Tom keyword is attempt. We’ll see if Tom can be saved or not.

Chaqa: Chaqa has emerged as a *town* leader, but he is a negative town leader aka a false idol. His entire case on Tom is, like I said when I saw it, weak. It’s built entirely on meta evidence. It’s built entirely on things that happened in games past. The very few pieces from this game revolve around Vapor and a one off comment he made that was probably misunderstood anyway. It was a bad case. People who voted for Tom based on this case are suspect for even buying into it. Anyway, I digress. Yes, there was a moment I thought he was scum, a moment I thought he was town, and now I’m back to scum. Reads evolve around play. Chaqa has a history (Fake claiming, this Tom BS case, etc) His play has now cost two PR’s to have to reveal themselves. (Me and Tom). Chaqa should be lynched.

Yav, Cmdr, Bionic, and Darg remain second and tertiary suspects

I think you need to come up with some reasoning or explanation of why I would do what I did as scum. I didn’t cause either of them to out.

You outed because you were attacked, not because of my fake claim.

Tom outed because of a wagon, which I had a part in but was made of many people and you even said my “case” was not a good one. I think if anything we are likely to find scum in those (like Kitsune) who were swayed by my evidence.

So yeah I’ve “outed” PRs but town is in an amazing spot because of it, and we’ve got two clear targets for our doctors to protect now. I think we’re in an excellent spot and Moriartiy’s team is nearly gone.

[BionicMole]

Nice work Tom!
Pretty intense reading to be sure

[xorxes]

Hello Bo, I meant to ask you last time but your name implies you are a Red Sox fan yeah?

It could be White Sox, you just never know @bo

I always thought we should read as Bo sucks.

Yeah, I'm going to rule out Temasek as a member of team Moriarty.

[xorxes]

I have to agree with Bunny, Bozo and Vecna (which I think that are likely town) that lynching ND tomorrow is probably a bad idea. Having a doctor save that can't be roleblocked outweight the Hyde thing at least for now. If we have a terrible N2 (like losing the PRs that need to be saved) we can reconsider.

Tentatively removing bozo and Vecna as the potential last member as well. bozo in particular, considering their earlier interactions.

[xorxes]

Oh, one last thing:

Some scum leans of mine from day 1 that haven't been cleared up one way or the other (feel free to pick up my BunnyBaton (TM) and run with them)

1) PurpleCow -- I don't like him...I think he's scummy noob

2) FlavorFlav -- somethings up, but it is hard to post this much and hide. Still...take a look someone

3) Xorxes -- he's seeming better today, but yesterday was bad

Really not seeing what youre seeing with Flav. That dude oozes so much town.

Agree. He is a pain in the ass, but looks really townie to me, exactly like last game.

Probably Flav is out as well.

[purplecow]

Yay! That felt like when you're missing a puzzle piece, but now you found it and you are starting to see what the whole puzzle is. [/bad_analgoy] Has anybody been keeping spreadsheets specifically on who was buddying/bussing who? It's off the top of my head, but the last day or so has been feeling like cliques are forming. Like group A is scummy to people in group B, and vice versa. I'll map it out later. I'm busy rest of today though. G'night

M

It could be White Sox, you just never know @bo

I always thought we should read as Bo sucks.

Yeah, I'm going to rule out Temasek as a member of team Moriarty.

That was quick.

[xorxes]

Tbh, I doubt SK would get subbed out twice. One of them would have been excited enough to have the opportunity to play as a 3rd party.

Correct, that's why I am VT. And as I am VT, that's why I looked for VT PM.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that, so I will ask GM to reveal a proof.

Yav, you are getting weirder, you know pretty well GMs can't give any proof.

I still don't much of a real reason to vote Cmdr or purplecow other then lurking and in this case Kit, Hosuke or even me are probably lurking even more.

Both Yavu and Chaqa are good lynch candidates, my problem with Yav wagon is who are on it, I suspect both Tom and Tem and Bozo isn't much towny too.

I reallly don't like Chaqa answer to Xorxes, it seems fabricated, but I still don't buy this Chaqa and Vecna are scum together thing. I think one of then is scum, just not sure which.

##vote Chaqa while I try to re-read both EODs that I missed.

purplecow was already out because of D1 voting, but I can probably exclude Cmdr as well.

[FlaviusAetius]

STOP TALKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[e.m.c^42]

still gonna post lazy spew case on why Kit might be scum

1) Activity level. (I'm not much better with the daytime disappearing, but am present at least some of time. She's been just gone lol)

At start, it was excusable, but to a point there's somewhere that it starts into "if you don't have time request sub for pro-town activity". It's been like what, more than a week IRL.

and at this point, about half hour from EOD, she pops up and has enough reads that it's obvious enough to a point that it was lurking, not being gone? Like, there is enough to see that she's read up most of what was missed. Lurker pool this game is actually very nice place to hide, as there are so many.

2) Speaking of reads. Sis, they be lookin' kinda formulaic, no offense meant. The groupings of that large list seem mostly based off of ability/willingness to push lynch, with "high = scum" and "low = town". I may be projecting here though, lmao. But it feels like the reads are all based on the reasoning of "how much of a town/thread leader are they usually" vs "how much they're doing that this game", and the less it matches the more scummy it is.

It's shallow, and Kit's capable of much better content.

3) I forget lmao. EOD passed and I've lost the train of thought after going to get snacks.