WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[Hamilton Brian]

Fuck, I hope I get the vig shot! Didn't think about that, did you, you conniving shitheads!!!

[kingofthepirates]

So why would damo blatantly lie about something like that since there's no CC to yoyo. Yoyo tells the truth, damo looks bad. Lying about not being visted, lying about being the role that I possess.

So the two of you are caught. I worry that we run into a situation where we incorrectly choose the person with immunity.

Two of who? You have 3: damo me kak. Who’s mafia for you?

Damo and King

Alright then. Take your shot. Ik that it’s not me but that doesn’t mean anything does it. Taking off soon. Be back in like 5-6 hours.

[kingofthepirates]

KOTP can you make this an easier choice for Kak?

How so

[kingofthepirates]

Fuck, I hope I get the vig shot! Didn't think about that, did you, you conniving shitheads!!!

??? Did you get steroids? If so then that’s massive.

[Yoyoyozo]

[kingofthepirates]

Taking off now. No internet access up in the sky. Adios. Yoyo I’ll keep sheeping you. Kak, ham, damo, whichever of you is town, voting me is a bad choice, it literally will end the game. I’ll leave it at that.

[Hamilton Brian]

Fuck, I hope I get the vig shot! Didn't think about that, did you, you conniving shitheads!!!

??? Did you get steroids? If so then that’s massive.

Why would town get steroids? And if I had, I would have said so. But now I am reading the setup around that. I guess if mafia are still PR hunting, then maybe at the chance of me dying anyway.

[Hamilton Brian]

And I received no notice. So scratch that thought.

[Hamilton Brian]

Can we sus out possible additional votes that might get thrown on to my wagon?

[Hamilton Brian]

I am assuming that steroids would be given to a mafia member to increase votes against me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Christ, I am working my balls off here trying to ensure we get this right.

King and Damo

Tracking the King and Damo actions, beginning with King. Also looking at vote progressions to determine mafianess.

D1: 1st interaction with Damo, asks for reasoning on demo’s Will Jamie scum pair.

N1: reacts to Jamie’s post about people moving on Haze which included Damo, yoyo, bunny. King suggest they think 1 of Will or Dip is scum. Editorial: I don’t think mafia usually suggest their partner is scum, or maybe new mafia don’t, so damo, chaqa, flag, bunny, brian are not included. Inconclusive, but use it to follow.

D2: engages with damo about “PR stab kill” and King says it’s just an arbitrary kill but they disagree. EDITORIAL potential distancing?

D2: WIFOM/issue response to damo; very inconclusive

D2: responds to my request of Will to explain “Vote Damo” with a “hope so, but seems to be nothing.” EDITORIAL dismissing a negative view of Damo.

D2: Damo…I will miss EOD. King: I too will miss EOD.

D2: wants to vote from a pool of 5 (damo, yoyo, bunny, will, dip).

D3: Damo: where is everyone. King: Here now.

D3: Damo is one of my least towny players; top posters might be scim, which included damo

D3: shares their thoughts about Flavi’s defence.

D3: shaded Brian (Brian has tapered off=don’t townread him as much) and pats Kak on the back for an impressive catchup.

N3: reflects back on Jamie’s reads which included damo

N3: to damo, “I don’t like that you’re flip flopping all over the place” after damo says Kak is trying to save Flav.

D4: Chaqa: Mac team is King and damo; King,”Where’d this come from?”

D4: Damo I think is the obv vote (steroids); damo is a voting option

D4: I think Damo is a good vote, damo decided to bus D1, and here talks about “I want to ISO flag later,” EDITORIAL: but there’s no receipts. King is content to say they’ll do the work; never presenting.

N5: the mute claim I cited earlier; not more needs to be said. EDITORIAL: It’s not a valid claim in my opinion.


I feel like this game has seen a lot of King being led; the time differences make it hard to coordinate in scum chat. Drop an early D1 vote on chaqa. Offer an seemingly probing question here or there. The nonvote whichever day it was, which I reported on around N3, I think.

[Hamilton Brian]

Damo and KotP

Here we try to work through Damo’s responses to King only. Next ISO will be Damo KotP.

D1: response to King’s query of the will jamie pair.

D2: responds to King, “It’s all wifom”

D2: King: “Pardon?” Damo: “It’s a life thing…” EDITORIAL: Innocuous but something about it.

D3: Yoyo announces a vote for King, and damo responds, “possible.”

D3: King RIPS ghug; damp replies “WIFOM, Fear kill, “ and other possibilities. Then Damo launches into: yoyo is scum, yoyo is town but didn’t mafia didn’t believe him, or left him to be a bet recipient later.

D3: explains why to end. We all need to reread this response carefully: “My reasoning for ending is twofold

i) the way the day went it is reasonably likely they bet on a Bunnykill. If we kill Will, Flav or Chaqa (I suggest Will) there is a reasonably high chance they are the gambler with immunity and we've wasted 48 hours (other than ID'ing the gambler ofc). If they are Drug Dealer all is good, a quick scum death. If they flip town then the remaining pair are probably our scumpair

ii) to scupper scumbets on high post counts which I consider quite likely

I acknowledge it shuts down discussion but there's not exactly a lot of that is there?

There being no mega downside my end vote remains.”

D3: challenges King on Flav’s defence but then upends.

[Hamilton Brian]

What if they had a mafia game and town didn't give a shit!

[sweetandcool]

Call me paranoid, but I think damo using the “hard claim” term in conjunction with the “@yoyo” was an attempt to let his mafia partner know I visited him. I in fact did visit damo last night. I think Ham was trying to orchestrate that during N3.

Yoyo, were you telling the truth here so we can verify that damo is mafia?

##CallGM can the drug dealer give themselves steroids?

Yeah. Even dealers want to get swole sometimes.

[Hamilton Brian]

Damo and KotP

Interactions with the KotP ISO

That goddamned D1 reads list that is the earmark of mafia, no matter how much Dip belittled it.

D1: Damos says of KotP: innocuous, weak town at best. EDITORIAL: offers cover, not strong not weak so just sits like a lump in the middle. Meanwhile, wonders why Bunny has 4 votes at the time, “kind of gets” Haze’s wagon, Flav vote is a policy vote, Chaqa not a target, Dip null, fluff about ghug and Brian, townJamie, AND bad vibes about yoyo.

D1: response to ghug about his reads, something about KotP but I didn’t open to read more. Just ghug and damo going at it.

D2: same says won’t vote a group…Bunny, Brian, yoyo, everyone else is game. Then pleads out loud, “Is KotP scum?”

D2: KotP shows up in demo’s pairings post; the prefabricated one. Everyone, go and read it all over again. EDITORIAL: That’s not a reads list, that’s a fucking blanket.

D3: Improbable pairs also include KotP and Will.

D3: My current scum reads…and koto is 4th from the s.t continuum. EDITORIAL: another safe cover read

D3: First time that KotP makes a hard scum read; If the pair are in Dip, Ham, KotP,) we’ve lost. EDITORIAL: No you haven’t you little shit. You just outed your partner because you had to, but this might be the post you made that pinks you.

D3: KotP looks most likely Flav’s scum partner. EDITORIAL: What changed? If you’re that certain, why aren’t you voting King?

D3: Here we see damo ready to bus King: “Well, I'm not sure I got anywhere really.

My analysis suggests Flav's only partner is kotp so choices are:

DK Flav and kill kotp 2m when Flav flips scum

DK Flav and vote Ham[?] 2m

DK someone else but who? Ham? Chaqa? kotp? (not voting Dip today).

With the current vote count I think my best option is to stay where I am but happy to move to any of the single vote wagons if they pick up.

Should be around for EOD.”

D3: gets yoyo’s attention to decide on the vote being on Brian or Flave. “Can’t see KotP being the wagon today.”

EDITORIAL: So we go from KotP being a likely partner to “not being a wagon today” in a matter of hours. Convenient obfuscation; keep spreading different opinions around then land on the one of mafia choice.

D3: with 19 minutes to go, leans into a FlavKotP pair

D4: “OK that's a shock.

I hardclaim vt.

I did not get steroids otherwise I'd have disclosed. I assumed Dip got steroids from himself as Drug Dealer or his partner if Gambler. Hence I thought the possible scumpairs were DipChaqa DipKak Dipkotp (I dismissed Ham and Flav as too theatrical with Dip).

Now, however Dip has flipped VT.

There is only one solution: Champ put a second vote on Flav different to their public vote.

Therefore Flav is not champ.

Now given both Dip, champ and I voted Flav I think the obvious thing to do today is to continue to vote Flav. I suspect his partner is kotp.

##vote Flav”

EDITORIAL: Yes, that’s right. I was voting for King outwardly but put a vote on Flavius as Champion.

D4: Chaqa: “So the team is KotP and Damo” Damo,” Not me anyway.” Then bunches Chaqa’s bristles with a PR hunting accusation.

D4: gets at me on the “I’m not mafia, and if you’re not mafia, what about Flav and KotP.” EDITORIAL: I really wish I could take a mulligan on this. I really screwed it for town and this hard stance on Flav was one of those things.

Reading the Damo King/KotP isos together, there's just enough to read as suspicious. Damo has this nice way of saying maybe, maybe, maybe, NOPE KotP isn't scum. Town read enough to be believable and making statemtns like that just lulled me into inactivity when I should have been looking with scrutiny and objectivity.

[Yoyoyozo]

Fuck it; I don't know if now is a good time to reveal or not. But I've had a shit game so here goes.

Yoyo did not visit me. Otherwise I would know his claim was true and he would know my role.

D1, I decided to holster the role power, given that I've been prone to impetuous last minute impulsive decision in very recent games.

I really had no solid town reads and floated ideas out there each day hoping something would click.

D2, we were travelling. I had considered Bunny more town but by the time I got in somewhere to check the bot I didn't have time to send a tie vote message to sweet. My mea culpas to Bunny will be on record in the god thread.

D3 was when my suspicion for Flavius picked up steam. I messaged Sweet early to put the vote on Flavius. I really thought Flavius was mafia so when I realized it was tied I tried to vote as Hamilton Brian for Flavius. I posted it the same time as Sweet said Stop Posting, not having seen it. That vote didn't count, and the result was the tie. In the end it made sure we were saved a town miskill.

Unfortunately I was still totally on to Flav. That's why I voted for him AND put the role vote onto Flav for D4 or whatever day it was.

So I am the Champion Confidant.

And here we are; damo making a false claim and now mocking me in the thread.

If the extra vote came from the champion, the game would be over, they’d still have steroids to use this phase.

[Hamilton Brian]

Fuck it; I don't know if now is a good time to reveal or not. But I've had a shit game so here goes.

Yoyo did not visit me. Otherwise I would know his claim was true and he would know my role.

D1, I decided to holster the role power, given that I've been prone to impetuous last minute impulsive decision in very recent games.

I really had no solid town reads and floated ideas out there each day hoping something would click.

D2, we were travelling. I had considered Bunny more town but by the time I got in somewhere to check the bot I didn't have time to send a tie vote message to sweet. My mea culpas to Bunny will be on record in the god thread.

D3 was when my suspicion for Flavius picked up steam. I messaged Sweet early to put the vote on Flavius. I really thought Flavius was mafia so when I realized it was tied I tried to vote as Hamilton Brian for Flavius. I posted it the same time as Sweet said Stop Posting, not having seen it. That vote didn't count, and the result was the tie. In the end it made sure we were saved a town miskill.

Unfortunately I was still totally on to Flav. That's why I voted for him AND put the role vote onto Flav for D4 or whatever day it was.

So I am the Champion Confidant.

And here we are; damo making a false claim and now mocking me in the thread.

If the extra vote came from the champion, the game would be over, they’d still have steroids to use this phase.

Yes, and?

[Hamilton Brian]

Yes, and, make it so the steroids wouldn't work by voting around it.

[Yoyoyozo]

Yes, and, make it so the steroids wouldn't work by voting around it.

I’m pretty sure the gambler bet on damo being the DK, and they’d go with a safe bet like post count.

[Hamilton Brian]

Each night gambler had to make two bets. Let's do some backtracking to determine what was used.