MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[Jamiet99uk]

Initially, I thought worcej was a mafia, we even interrogated him, and I made a whole bunch of points against him. Then he got interrogated AGAIN, and in my view cleared himself

Yes, but:

1. Why did you refer to that when you were explaining why you scumread a bunch of people for voting for Netphys?

2. Do you scumread worcej now?

[Jamiet99uk]

xorxes
A few things to notice
xorxes

..snip...

What do you conclude from all of those things you noticed?

[Vaporwave]

my main issue with xorxes is apathy

he just has flimsy reasons to vote people

bo_sox..until something better comes along

neph...because he townreads the other wagon

bomb because bomb should be hunting not defend himself

this game he's tagging along more

And town xorxes was a hero and proactive in a different game, not sure if it's time or hairy back but it ain't that good ol' xorx that I love

[FlaviusAetius]

Initially, I thought worcej was a mafia, we even interrogated him, and I made a whole bunch of points against him. Then he got interrogated AGAIN, and in my view cleared himself

Yes, but:

1. Why did you refer to that when you were explaining why you scumread a bunch of people for voting for Netphys?

2. Do you scumread worcej now?

What are you talking about? Im really confused at this point

[Jamiet99uk]

What are you talking about? Im really confused at this point

Okay let me spell it out for you:

These guys are TOP on my list for mafia...
Nephthys (6)
Jamiet99uk worcej yavuzovic brainbomb bozotheclown Durga

These guys are TOP on my list for mafia...
Nephthys (6)
Jamiet99uk worcej yavuzovic brainbomb bozotheclown Durga

Why?

Tell us.

They voted for worcej, and in my mind, worcej was already vindicated after his second interrogation

They voted for worcej, and in my mind, worcej was already vindicated after his second interrogation

You've literally listed 6 people who were voting for someone OTHER than Worcej to be lynched.

What are you talking about?

Ok dude, I meant they voted for Nepthys I was at Tennis, and in a rush as I needed to head off to my match...

First you said those people voted for Worcej and Worcej was vindicated after his second interrogation.

Then you corrected yourself to say you meant to say Nephtyhs, not Worcej.
But there was no "second interrogation" of Nephthys.

This contradiction makes no sense to me and I'm puzzled by it.

[yavuzovic]

@yavu @cleasar
Who even are you guys
Jamie is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, we DO NOT QUIT, we keep fighting until we find someone, I dont even care if we lose or we win, quitting is not an option
This is my first game and I dont want it to be ruined by people who barely even participate and then just decide to quit

I thought tomorrow was LyLo, as I see it isn't, that's fine

[worcej]

@yavu @cleasar
Who even are you guys
Jamie is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, we DO NOT QUIT, we keep fighting until we find someone, I dont even care if we lose or we win, quitting is not an option
This is my first game and I dont want it to be ruined by people who barely even participate and then just decide to quit

I thought tomorrow was LyLo, as I see it isn't, that's fine

We are definitely not at mylo right now and all isn’t lost.

[worcej]

FWIW, I'll put these list out there of the people that are left. These are from my perspective, so pick it apart if you want. I won't really care.

People that seem to actually be hunting:
Jaime - multiple cases and adapting as he goes.
rdr - Less about building cases, but frequently is pointing at actions and what people are saying.
Vapor - I'll give him this, he definitely did a lot of hunting earlier in the game. He is also playing like rdr and analyzing people.

People who seem to be lasered on one or two cases:
Darg - I've been a target for him each day, followed by changing between someone else. He is hunting, but is not adapting imo.
Claesar - Laser focus on Jaime. Over a lot of days. Brings up some scumslip of Vapor but never really discusses it...

People who spend more time commenting on other's reads than making their own:
bozo - isn't until N3 that we get a list of scum from him.
xorxes - a little bit of comments here and there. Definitely not pushing anything and not trying to lead as a town xorxes would. If he doesn't die tonight, he should be policy lynched.
damo - being himself...
yavu - catching up a lot, very reactionary. I also don't like how near EOD3, brain was possibly scum to him, but now post-flip he was townish...

People who are barely contributing:
MF - not much to say, definitely getting away with lurking this game.

New guy:
FlaviusAetius - You're all over the place lol... but that comes with being new.

[rdrivera2005]

If I die tonight lynch Xorxes. If Jamiet didn't want to lynch Xorxes or start with weirdness instead of lynching Xorxes, lynch Jamiet after lynching Xorxes. I really dislike Jamie's ISO's. Like Claesar pointed it seems to fit an agenda.

If neither Xorxes or me die tonight, I still think Xorxes is the best lynch tomorrow.

[Jamiet99uk]

If I die tonight lynch Xorxes. If Jamiet didn't want to lynch Xorxes or start with weirdness instead of lynching Xorxes, lynch Jamiet after lynching Xorxes. I really dislike Jamie's ISO's. Like Claesar pointed it seems to fit an agenda.

If neither Xorxes or me die tonight, I still think Xorxes is the best lynch tomorrow.

I'd be happy to lynch Xorxes.

You don't like my iso of you because I suspect you. If it is inaccurate, then I challenge you to respond to it. What did I misquote or get wrong?

[Jamiet99uk]

Friends, notice that Rdrivera and Claesar both reacted to my iso on them in the same way.

They accused me of pushing an agenda.

They did not respond to my reasoning, or to any of the points I made.

It was just "uh, fuh fuh fuh, Jamie has an agenda".

DAMN RIGHT I HAVE AN AGENDA. My agenda is to find and lynch the scum. What's YOUR agenda, if it's different to that?

[xorxes]

Jamiet, I don't doubt there were inaccuracies in your iso of rivera because mine was full of them. I'll point out a few:

This is the iso of the Xorxes:

P6: Seemingly thinks Claesar's townslip is real. He then thinks that if fake, Vapor is not scum with Claesar.

Why "seemingly"? I said a lot of times I think it was real. I don't remember the connection I made with Vapor, I'd have to reread that.

Argues with Rdrivera and proposes lynching lurkers D1.

Did I actually propose that, or did I just ask rivera why he wanted to wait until D2? I don't recall making any such proposal.

Advises Bozo not to speculate about the Doc.

True.

Repeats that he thinks Claesar genuinely townslipped.

Right, so why that "seemingly" above?

Talks about syntax.

No, but I will let damo explain why you are wrong on that one.

Townreads Damo.

True.

P14: Defends Rdrivera and challenges Vecna for not having a case.

I never defended rivera. I did ask Vecna to explain the reasons for his read.

P17: Doesn't want people to sheep him.

Not exactly what I said, but I'll let it pass.

Doesn't post at all between P17 and P41.

I haven't checked, but I believe you. I was away on Sunday and on May 1st.

P41,42: Townreads Neph and Damo on the basis of EoD1. Also potentially townreads Durga. Doesn't like me and Rdrivera for scumreading Vecna. Points out that self-voting is not towny.

All true.

P43: Repeats his strong townread of Damo and Neph. Says Durga and Rdrivera are hard to read, when the page before he townleaned Durga and scumleaned Rdrivera. Hedgy. Mistakenly thinks I replaced Ezio.

I don't recall having expressed a scumlean on rivera at that stage. I always find him scummy, so could be.

P44: Agrees that Vapor's claim looked real. Townleans Vapor. Again says he doesn't want people to sheep him.

You state it as a general rule which I don't think I expressed. I don't want people to sheep me when I don't have a solid read. It doesn't help if I'm wrong, and even if I'm right I don't get any info from that. When I have a solid read of course I want people to sheep me.

P64: Votes Dargorygel and says this is because he is townreading Neph. (Not sure why that's a reason to vote Dargo).

Hint: look at the context. What were the wagons at that point?

P66: Is overwhelmed by the volume of posts.

True. Praise be the brainbomb.

P68: Criticises Worcej's ability to find scum. Thinks scum never coach.

Did I criticise him, or just point out that he has an uncanny ability to find them, if only we know to take his reads in reverse?

"Thinks scum never coach." False. I said I don't recall ever seeing them coach in the main thread.

P69: Thinks Claesar is town. Gives a hedgy scumread on Darg again.

The first is true. The second I don't remember which might be, but it sounds likely as my read on Darg is based on POE and some shading he made, which is not too strong a basis.

P70: Repeats his already stated reads.

OK. What about my dealings with brainbomb. There's nothing about that in your iso.

Conclusion: SCUM. Town Xorxes is much more investigative and hunty than this. Here we have lots of short little posts reacting to people, but no cases, limited scumhunting behaviour, and his scumreads are weak and hedgy, repeating himself a lot, and not going into detail about things the way town Xorxes does.

I'm probably one of the people that has explained their reads the most, but whatever. I'm still leaning town on you but not because of your reads.

[damo666]

Jamie I assume you've completed all your ISOs now. Having done so who are your top 4 scum. I realise I'm being a bit lazy here.

[Jamiet99uk]

P6: Seemingly thinks Claesar's townslip is real. He then thinks that if fake, Vapor is not scum with Claesar.

Why "seemingly"? I said a lot of times I think it was real. I don't remember the connection I made with Vapor, I'd have to reread that.

Because what you said on P6 was "This could be construed as a townslip". Saying it "could be" seen that way is not exactly definitive in my reading.

Argues with Rdrivera and proposes lynching lurkers D1.

Did I actually propose that, or did I just ask rivera why he wanted to wait until D2? I don't recall making any such proposal.

Your exact words on that page were: "Why start on D2 and not D1? I agree that we don't want lurkers, but why do they (or us I suppose) get a free first day?" I read this as you agreeing with Rdrivera's wish to lynch lurkers, but you also wanted to get on with it right away.

Talks about syntax.

No, but I will let damo explain why you are wrong on that one.

You said: "I need damo's opinion on Vapor's use of "pontificating" here."

This is talking about syntax.

P14: Defends Rdrivera and challenges Vecna for not having a case.

I never defended rivera. I did ask Vecna to explain the reasons for his read.

I appear to have been mistaken. I accept this correction.

P17: Doesn't want people to sheep him.

Not exactly what I said, but I'll let it pass.

Your exact words were: "I don't particularly care to be sheeped in this lynch."

P43: Repeats his strong townread of Damo and Neph. Says Durga and Rdrivera are hard to read, when the page before he townleaned Durga and scumleaned Rdrivera. Hedgy. Mistakenly thinks I replaced Ezio.

I don't recall having expressed a scumlean on rivera at that stage. I always find him scummy, so could be.

During P42 you said:
"What do you make of rivera's wagon disappearing?"
"If ElectronicJamiet or rivera are scum then scum did have a reason to solidify the bo lynch."
"I don't like that Jamiet and rivera were scumreading Vecna just before he dies."

This certainly implied to me that Rdrivera was in your FoS.

P44: Agrees that Vapor's claim looked real. Townleans Vapor. Again says he doesn't want people to sheep him.

You state it as a general rule which I don't think I expressed. I don't want people to sheep me when I don't have a solid read. It doesn't help if I'm wrong, and even if I'm right I don't get any info from that. When I have a solid read of course I want people to sheep me.
doesn't want people to sheep him.

Not implying it's a general rule at all. I'm saying that on those specific pages you stated that you did not want people sheeping you at that particular time. I didn't suggest anything other than that.

P69: Thinks Claesar is town. Gives a hedgy scumread on Darg again.

The first is true. The second I don't remember which might be, but it sounds likely as my read on Darg is based on POE and some shading he made, which is not too strong a basis.

Your exact words, when asked why you scumread Darg, were:
"He was the second wagon to Neph when I voted and Neph left me with a towny impression after EOD1. I've been iso reading dargo and I haven't noticed anything that makes me townread him. I don't really have a strong argument though."

P70: Repeats his already stated reads.

OK. What about my dealings with brainbomb. There's nothing about that in your iso.

You had very limited interactions with brainbomb up to the end of N2, and nothing that stood out as worth remarking on. I've explained already that these isos are only isos up to the end of N2.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie I assume you've completed all your ISOs now. Having done so who are your top 4 scum. I realise I'm being a bit lazy here.

Hi Damo.

My top three scum currently are:

Claesar
Xorxes
Rdrivera

Then after that I'd say Worcej and Flav are tied for fourth place.

[Jamiet99uk]

It's funny that Xorxes started his long post by saying that he was going to point out inaccuracies in my iso of him, but then half his comments were about where he agreed that my observations were true. I think he just put those in to make the list look longer to a casual reader.

[Jamiet99uk]

Night ends in 5 minutes then. I wonder if I will see the morning.

[Jamiet99uk]

A SHOT RINGS OUT!

CLAESAR HAS DIED. HE WAS JOHN WAYNE BOBBITT, the DICKLESS GIMP

[e.m.c^42]

Peace be upon thy finger-tappings!

Phase has ended, please hold.

[e.m.c^42]

It was a strange life, indeed.

Full, and a bit tepid after consuming jambalaya made of gingerbread tongue, the masses rose. This many ritual cannibalism funerals consecutively was a bit tiring, after all.

They still weren't quite sure of how the barbarous West Cavers were managing to snuff out their own in the night, especially since they had posted the most tenacious of sniffer - Jamiebear, of to-be-revealed heritage, the mostest biggerest caveman who fought through to reveal himself from the corpse of a light-biting-shiny-beastie - was awake throughout the night, occasionally poking the sleeping to ensure that they were true East cavers.

EMC thought that there were too many hyphens flying around, and turns to comment that to Percy. Percy is gone.

The time machine is also a conspicuous mass of empty space upon the hill.

"Well, fuck."

Little did he know, the very same thoughts were mirrored within the grey tissue matter of Panthera, who contemplated eating the Jamiebear and had woken up early to do so. In haste, to eat the furry heathen before the rest awoke to reprimand him, he stepped upon a squishy, rotund blob of steak.

Sniffing, as Jamiebear wasn't that steak, he licks the blood. A starburst of car oil leaks upon his cheek.

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rdrivera2005 has died, he was Vhoom Vhoom the VT.

Day 4 has begun, your fingers may tap away once more.