MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd prefer for you to be replaced.

I'd prefer for you to be replaced, but you can't always get what you want.

But while you're still here, if you're town, why do you ignore questions people ask you? Why do you make unsupported, unexplained statements about things as though they are facts?

There's no point. We've lost already. But I'm voting scum and following my wincon.

As I've said before, if you want my opinion just reread me. And I don't mean your laughable iso that deliberately left out anything that didn't fit your agenda. Anyone who'd bother to reread me would know you're scum by comparing it to your iso, but no town are still active.

I'm town. And unlike you, I'm playing to my wincon. And it's night, so if you're voting during this phase, I assume that's the NK voting that's taking place in your QT.

What did I leave out?

[Jamiet99uk]

* unlike you, I'm playing to the town wincon

[Claesar]

* unlike you, I'm playing to the town wincon

When will you start with that? Right after you've lynched the few townies you haven't gotten to yet?

[Jamiet99uk]

* unlike you, I'm playing to the town wincon

When will you start with that? Right after you've lynched the few townies you haven't gotten to yet?

I'm trying 500% harder than you are, asshole.

[Claesar]

* unlike you, I'm playing to the town wincon

When will you start with that? Right after you've lynched the few townies you haven't gotten to yet?

I'm trying 500% harder than you are, asshole.

Yes, you've lynched two townies more than me. Out of two. Would've been three. Don't say you wouldn't have lynched Bo. And I'm not even counting your nightkills.

[Claesar]

So I wouldn't say 500%, but you're definitely much more effective.

[Jamiet99uk]

Claesar and Xorxes should be tomorrow's wagons.

[Jamiet99uk]

When will you start with that? Right after you've lynched the few townies you haven't gotten to yet?

I'm trying 500% harder than you are, asshole.

Yes, you've lynched two townies more than me. Out of two. Would've been three. Don't say you wouldn't have lynched Bo. And I'm not even counting your nightkills.

You, on the other hand, have carefully made sure you were on irrelevant wagons that weren't going to be the lynch, all three days. Basic scum tactic to avoid accountability.

[bozotheclown]

Here are my top scum suspects:

Claesar: His drop in activity and his “giving up” comments could be a scum ploy. I found this post notable:

I'm just here to adhere to my posting requirements (does that extend to the night? Probably not). Not going to read anything you clowns say, because the game is over.

We've narrowed the scumteam down to five, so we just need to find the clueless townie between:
Final Vote Count
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brain (6) bozo, flavius, jamie, worcej, xorxes, brain

Let's start with lynching Jamie. He's the most active scum, so without him the chance of townies participating again increases.

His certainty that all four scum voted for brainbomb is very suspicious, first because no scum team would ever do that, and second because Claesar had been scum reading the Ezio/brainbomb slot all game, and was even voting for brainbomb earlier on D3. It seems to me he is trying to set up some town lynches.

worcej: I thought his angry reaction to becoming the top wagon early D2 was suspicious, it seemed too out of place. Then there was this post where Jamie thought he was softing doctor:

And the more I scream, the more I rage, the MORE I MAKE LOUD NOISES ON MY KEYBOARD, you won't forget me. The town will remember my spirit as I giggle in the God thread at bad plays and how the scum clearly are owning the town so far.

You'll remember me post-flip. You'll take what I am saying more seriously. So that the town wins, thus I end up winning.

This game SCREAMS of a game where a smart scum would push people for mislynches. There is no investigation PR, just a doctor. They are 100% safe from mechanics. They need to come off as town and get dumb sheep to town-clear them.

The post is oddly worded, and it certainly seems that the intention of the post is to crumb that his actions “scream PR”. It is possible this was a fake crumb to set up a doctor claim at EOD, worcej was the top wagon at the time of the post.

xorxes: He has not been giving many scum reads, where typically as town he seems confident in his scum reads and pushes them, even when they turn out to be wrong. xorxes was online D2 EOD but did not make a move to prevent the vote from being a tie, and D3 he seemed more concerned about self-preservation than identifying scum.

rdrivera: He seems to be laying low despite a reasonable post count. rdrivera is good at playing scum and this is how he typically gets by as scum. He has been off the top wagon all three days. After arguing against lynching lurkers D1, he voted for ElectronicMoose at EOD. A wagon formed on yavuzovic that he could have joined if he was opposed to lynching a lurker, but he ignored that wagon and left he vote on ElectronicMoose, even though he had not mentioned townreading yavuzovic.

MoscowFleet: I do not doubt he was busy moving, but he has not gotten any pressure for being inactive, so staying inactive could be a scum ploy. After not doing anything since D1, he criticized the brainbomb wagon at D3 EOD without giving any reasons, maybe he knew brainbomb would flip town and was trying to get credit for town reading him. There is also the potentially fake town tell from D1 of asking about the reference to “west”.

[bozotheclown]

When will you start with that? Right after you've lynched the few townies you haven't gotten to yet?

I'm trying 500% harder than you are, asshole.

Yes, you've lynched two townies more than me. Out of two. Would've been three. Don't say you wouldn't have lynched Bo. And I'm not even counting your nightkills.

This is a suspicious comment since you should not know if you have voted for any scum. Also, D1 you voted for Ezio, who we now know was town, so you seem to only apply blame when someone votes for a town that gets lynched. That is convenient since you ended all three days on single vote wagons.

[FlaviusAetius]

@yavu @cleasar
Who even are you guys
Jamie is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, we DO NOT QUIT, we keep fighting until we find someone, I dont even care if we lose or we win, quitting is not an option
This is my first game and I dont want it to be ruined by people who barely even participate and then just decide to quit

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, I will stand by Moscow I dont even care he is the first person after me, I told you guys he was town int he beginning of the game, and hes still a townsperson,
The fight between Clesar and Jamie seemed genuine, that's because Cleasar is a townsperson, Jamie? I don't know...
We have all the evidence found infront of us what are we missing, what is that last piece of evidence that we need to find...anyone??

[Jamiet99uk]

This is the iso of the Xorxes:

P6: Seemingly thinks Claesar's townslip is real. He then thinks that if fake, Vapor is not scum with Claesar.

Argues with Rdrivera and proposes lynching lurkers D1.

Advises Bozo not to speculate about the Doc.

Repeats that he thinks Claesar genuinely townslipped.

Talks about syntax.

Townreads Damo.

P14: Defends Rdrivera and challenges Vecna for not having a case.

P17: Doesn't want people to sheep him.

Doesn't post at all between P17 and P41.

P41,42: Townreads Neph and Damo on the basis of EoD1. Also potentially townreads Durga. Doesn't like me and Rdrivera for scumreading Vecna. Points out that self-voting is not towny.

P43: Repeats his strong townread of Damo and Neph. Says Durga and Rdrivera are hard to read, when the page before he townleaned Durga and scumleaned Rdrivera. Hedgy. Mistakenly thinks I replaced Ezio.

P44: Agrees that Vapor's claim looked real. Townleans Vapor. Again says he doesn't want people to sheep him.

P64: Votes Dargorygel and says this is because he is townreading Neph. (Not sure why that's a reason to vote Dargo).

P66: Is overwhelmed by the volume of posts.

P68: Criticises Worcej's ability to find scum. Thinks scum never coach.

P69: Thinks Claesar is town. Gives a hedgy scumread on Darg again.

P70: Repeats his already stated reads.


Conclusion: SCUM. Town Xorxes is much more investigative and hunty than this. Here we have lots of short little posts reacting to people, but no cases, limited scumhunting behaviour, and his scumreads are weak and hedgy, repeating himself a lot, and not going into detail about things the way town Xorxes does.

[Jamiet99uk]

I see Squigs reading. Hopefully he's getting ready to be Claesar's replacement.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'll have a Flav iso soon.

[Claesar]

I see Squigs reading. Hopefully he's getting ready to be Claesar's replacement.

I will not be replaced. I will stay just to lynch you. Kill me tonight if you want me gone.

[Jamiet99uk]

Now we turn to Flavius Flava Flave:

P1: Is excited.

P8: Townreads Moscowfleet for some unclear reason based on someone else's comments on Moscow's meta. Sheeps Darg and votes ElectricMoose (me).

P9: Thinks Darg is making intelligent comments.

P14,19: Wants to hammer a lurker.

P20: Asks about mislynches and numbers.

P28,29: Talks about Game of Throbes. Wonders why Brainbomb scumreads him. Agrees with Brainbomb that Xorxes looks fishy.

P34: Townreads Vapor. Says Worcej hasn't been defending himself, and votes Worcej. This is a really weird thing to say as Worcej had been defending himself loudly and angrily for a large part of D1 and D2.

P37: Thinks Brainbomb and myself are "gods" at this game. Is sadly wrong.

P39: Asks if a No Lynch is plausible.

P46: Wants a D3 focus on Claesar, me, and Yav. Also says he plans on rereading Darg despite still townreading him. Hmm.

Demands that I talk about Worcej. Defends Netphys.

P47: Appears to scumread me because I'm not going after Worcej.

P48: Tries to use his RL church attendance to explain he wouldn't have been in mafia chat.

P51: Suddenly flips to townreading Claesar based on, apparently, a couple of Claesar's recent posts.

P52: Is super-convinved that Worcej is scum. Thinks Darg is confirmed town.

P64: Has re-read Worcej and now suddenly is convinced Worcej is town.

P68: Chainsaws Durga for daring to question the obvtown Claesar. Scumreads Vapor.

P69: Now believes he has five townclears identified in Moscow, Claesar, Worcej, Darg, and Neph.

P73: Angry reaction to the Netphlix lynch.

P78: Now his top scumreads are me, Worcej, Yavuzovic, Brainbomb, Bozo and Durga.

P78/79: Contradicts himself badly here. He says that those six scumreads are scum because they voted for Worcej (they didn't). And he then says "in my mind, worcej was already vindicated after his second interrogation". Now that "second interrogation" is something he'd described in detail before, specifically in relation to interrogating Worcej.

But then he corrects himself and says "I meant they voted for Nepthys, I was at Tennis, and in a rush..."

But there was no "second interrogation" of Nepthys. So this is a weird contradiction and I would like Flav to explain it.


CONCLUSION: I am in danger of having too many scumreads, and I accept he's a newb, but I will scumlean Flavius. His read on Worcej went back and forth oddly, and his willingness to sheep Darg was also a bit iffy. Weird contradictions in some of his posts. His sudden change of read on Claesar was also very funky.

[Jamiet99uk]

I see Squigs reading. Hopefully he's getting ready to be Claesar's replacement.

I will not be replaced. I will stay just to lynch you. Kill me tonight if you want me gone.

Lynching me would be foolish. Town can't afford another mislynch now.

[FlaviusAetius]

Now we turn to Flavius Flava Flave:

P1: Is excited.

P8: Townreads Moscowfleet for some unclear reason based on someone else's comments on Moscow's meta. Sheeps Darg and votes ElectricMoose (me).

P9: Thinks Darg is making intelligent comments.

P14,19: Wants to hammer a lurker.

P20: Asks about mislynches and numbers.

P28,29: Talks about Game of Throbes. Wonders why Brainbomb scumreads him. Agrees with Brainbomb that Xorxes looks fishy.

P34: Townreads Vapor. Says Worcej hasn't been defending himself, and votes Worcej. This is a really weird thing to say as Worcej had been defending himself loudly and angrily for a large part of D1 and D2.

P37: Thinks Brainbomb and myself are "gods" at this game. Is sadly wrong.

P39: Asks if a No Lynch is plausible.

P46: Wants a D3 focus on Claesar, me, and Yav. Also says he plans on rereading Darg despite still townreading him. Hmm.

Demands that I talk about Worcej. Defends Netphys.

P47: Appears to scumread me because I'm not going after Worcej.

P48: Tries to use his RL church attendance to explain he wouldn't have been in mafia chat.

P51: Suddenly flips to townreading Claesar based on, apparently, a couple of Claesar's recent posts.

P52: Is super-convinved that Worcej is scum. Thinks Darg is confirmed town.

P64: Has re-read Worcej and now suddenly is convinced Worcej is town.

P68: Chainsaws Durga for daring to question the obvtown Claesar. Scumreads Vapor.

P69: Now believes he has five townclears identified in Moscow, Claesar, Worcej, Darg, and Neph.

P73: Angry reaction to the Netphlix lynch.

P78: Now his top scumreads are me, Worcej, Yavuzovic, Brainbomb, Bozo and Durga.

P78/79: Contradicts himself badly here. He says that those six scumreads are scum because they voted for Worcej (they didn't). And he then says "in my mind, worcej was already vindicated after his second interrogation". Now that "second interrogation" is something he'd described in detail before, specifically in relation to interrogating Worcej.

But then he corrects himself and says "I meant they voted for Nepthys, I was at Tennis, and in a rush..."

But there was no "second interrogation" of Nepthys. So this is a weird contradiction and I would like Flav to explain it.


CONCLUSION: I am in danger of having too many scumreads, and I accept he's a newb, but I will scumlean Flavius. His read on Worcej went back and forth oddly, and his willingness to sheep Darg was also a bit iffy. Weird contradictions in some of his posts. His sudden change of read on Claesar was also very funky.

Initially, I thought worcej was a mafia, we even interrogated him, and I made a whole bunch of points against him. Then he got interrogated AGAIN, and in my view cleared himself

[Vaporwave]

xorxes
A few things to notice
xorxes

D1
mentions how Moscosw's townslip was less telling than Claesar's whose towntell seemed preciously crafted
votes for bo_sox because nobody has mentioned him before but xorxes hopes for something better by EOD


D2
offers townie points to Neph, damo and Durga
contradicts Clae that Ezio being replaced is not AI
disliked how Jamiet and rivera scumread Vecna just before he was killed
leans strong town on Neph and damo because of EOD and general demeanor
votes dargo while he plans to catch up
when I asked him to become town leader, he complained about thread volume
thinks Clae has 2 townie moments: private time townslip looked legit and the way he reacted to being a wagon

D3
argues with bomb, at one time he points out that bomb's action killed the doc because the wagons were dargo vs worcej
scumreads and votes bomb