MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[teacon7]

So... xorxes is a Reaver now, potentially?

We can postpone this a night. I’d xorxes has his vote, Jamiet and xorxes are clear and we lynch gold. If not, both are Reavers.

Doesn't that give the reavers n2 to make another reaver?

if we lynch jamie and he flips reaver, then we can commute/pilot reaver!xorxes to prevent making a third reaver.

[damo666]

If Kits reply implies the Goldie/Jamie will not be resolved by Xorxes VC I will read Jamie. Else I will read from the VT claims.

[teacon7]

##callGM - If the captain has been turned into a reaver, does the player still get a +c in the VC, even if he's now a reaver? Can we have an official VC please?

1. The player will still receive a +C in the VC with the special votes (if any) taking effect to the order of wagons at EOD.

A Reaver’d captain doesn’t lose his votes???

It sounds like the VC will display "+C" for xorxes. We won't know what the value of C is until EoD.

[Chaqa]

I think the mafia chose the roles with backups to fake claim since those are the roles they would want to wait to NK, since NKing them produces more town clears. The downside for them is that if they successfully win a CC battle, they also produce a new town clear.

I doubt it was so calculated. Doctor was the easy choice for either scum!Jamie or scum!goldie given the circumstances. And Super was the only one Kalel had a fighting chance against.

If Super is scum though, the choice is a bit weird.

They couldn't coordinate when claiming PR or not... that happened before their QT opened. Which roles they pick could be somewhat coordinated, though I'm guessing morale was low in the QT.
fakeclaiming companion makes sense because the customs officer could spoof verification for it.
fakeclaiming doctor could allow for scum in the VT pool to eventually fakeclaim backup doc.

This makes some sense, and will also put shade on any backup claims that do happen.

[Chaqa]

It will not be a tie, if Xorx's wagon is one behind or equal and he has his +2 powers intact.

We could even have Jamie as the first wagon and Xorx voting for the second wagon. If Xorx's wagon doesn't win, he has been reavered and then we will kill Jamie (the one that could have revered Xorx). Great isn't it?

Oh sure. Let scum shift at last second to screw is over. I think you must be role playing Jayne.

Peter is the most scummy confirmed town in recent memory.

[teacon7]

Half town must be voting for what Xorxes is not voting for. Xorx needs to be on the second largest wagon and only if he still has the +2 power his wagon wins.

I thought of this! It'd be poetic justice.

Unfortunately, it leaves the final lynch vote WAY too open for manipulation by other forces. scum could shift things at the last moment...

[peterlund]

We could even have Jamie as the first wagon and Xorx voting for the second wagon. If Xorx's wagon doesn't win, he has been reavered and then we will kill Jamie (the one that could have revered Xorx). Great isn't it?

Oh sure. Let scum shift at last second to screw is over. I think you must be role playing Jayne.

I think we are getting there. Xorx's own plan for confiming himself and Jamie by vote count DOES NOT seem to work.

[teacon7]

Bottom line: Mislynching or lynching the BH today could result in a town loss even if we have no more mislynches if things go poorly. However, considering the amount of time it will take to eliminate the mafia, it will likely become necessary to lynch the BH at some point to keep him from winning.

Thanks for doing the math.

fwiw, the BH can hit his wincon far earlier than the math here shows. He can win before lylo.

[bozotheclown]

I wonder why Goldfinger picked the Doctor as the role he chose to fakeclaim. If I had to come up with a fakeclaim, Doctor certianly isn't the role I would have picked.

I think the mafia chose the roles with backups to fake claim since those are the roles they would want to wait to NK, since NKing them produces more town clears. The downside for them is that if they successfully win a CC battle, they also produce a new town clear.

I doubt it was so calculated. Doctor was the easy choice for either scum!Jamie or scum!goldie given the circumstances. And Super was the only one Kalel had a fighting chance against.

If Super is scum though, the choice is a bit weird.

Kalel's crumbs indicate he was planning on claiming Companion early D1 if he is not the real Companion. I think Superstition/ItsHosuke is the more suspicious claim here.

[Chaqa]

So... xorxes is a Reaver now, potentially?

We can postpone this a night. I’d xorxes has his vote, Jamiet and xorxes are clear and we lynch gold. If not, both are Reavers.

Doesn't that give the reavers n2 to make another reaver?

if we lynch jamie and he flips reaver, then we can commute/pilot reaver!xorxes to prevent making a third reaver.

You're close, but we don't need to risk it. If Damo scans Jamiet as RP tonight, Bunny can commute him. Only the RP makes the night-kill, so we don't have to worry about xorxes.

[Chaqa]

I think the mafia chose the roles with backups to fake claim since those are the roles they would want to wait to NK, since NKing them produces more town clears. The downside for them is that if they successfully win a CC battle, they also produce a new town clear.

I doubt it was so calculated. Doctor was the easy choice for either scum!Jamie or scum!goldie given the circumstances. And Super was the only one Kalel had a fighting chance against.

If Super is scum though, the choice is a bit weird.

Kalel's crumbs indicate he was planning on claiming Companion early D1 if he is not the real Companion. I think Superstition/ItsHosuke is the more suspicious claim here.

Agreed. Super's claim didn't come until after Night started... so....

[bozotheclown]

He does. But we only see +C. We find out what C is worth at EOD ##CALL GM is that correct? You’ll tell all of us the numerical value of C at EOD?

This is an important question.

FlaviusAetius (9 + C) - rdrivera2005, teacon7, dargorygel, xorxes, Chaqa, goldfinger0303, bozotheclown, Tom Bombadil, peterlund,
e.m.c^42 (6) - Temasek22, Jamiet99uk, KalelChase, BunnyGo, damo666,
FlaviusAetius
Jamiet99uk (1) - e.m.c^42
Chaqa (1) - ND
xorxes (1) - Superstition
bozotheclown (1) - worcej

This was from EOD D1, and we never found out the value of C, although this could be because there was no way it could not be 2 yet. If we do not find out the value of C at EOD, that means we will not be able to determine if Jamie is the doctor at EOD.

You mean C could not yet be 1. It was zero then.

What we need to know is if Xorxes' votes to total 2 (ie C=1). Pedantic but we need to avoid confusion.

I believe the Captain gets 2 extra votes, and that xorxes got the extra votes as soon as he revealed, so he would have had them D1.

[Chaqa]

So... xorxes is a Reaver now, potentially?

We can postpone this a night. I’d xorxes has his vote, Jamiet and xorxes are clear and we lynch gold. If not, both are Reavers.

Doesn't that give the reavers n2 to make another reaver?

if we lynch jamie and he flips reaver, then we can commute/pilot reaver!xorxes to prevent making a third reaver.

You're close, but we don't need to risk it. If Damo scans Jamiet as RP tonight, Bunny can commute him. Only the RP makes the night-kill, so we don't have to worry about xorxes.

This actually works really well now that I think about it.
Day 2 - lynch worcej. Scan Jamiet.
Night 2 - if Jamiet scans RP, Damo tells Bunny so Bunny can commute him. This delays/removes threat of Reavers for a bit.
Day 3 - lynch xorxes if Jamiet is RP. If Jamiet is Doc, lynch goldie.

[bozotheclown]

If ItsHosuke is the fake Companion, then Superstition was probably told by his teammates to claim N1 before he was subbed. That means that if the Reaver did claim PR, worcej or Jamie/goldfinger would have to be the Reaver.

[Kitsune]

##Call GM

Have you sent Hosuke a role PM?

I have now. I overlooked sending it earlier.

[peterlund]

You mean C could not yet be 1. It was zero then.

What we need to know is if Xorxes' votes to total 2 (ie C=1). Pedantic but we need to avoid confusion.

The role PM says for the captian "you have +2 votes". This I read as him having 3 votes in total.

##CALL GM: Can you confirm that Xorx has either 1 or 3 votes in the EoD official VC?

[teacon7]

Damo - make sure you post your scan result before EoN so if you get Reave'd, we don't get bad info. You'll have to weigh whether to inform us immediately so we can come up with plans, or to wait until end of night so Reavers don't have a good plan.

Good advice

Just to confirm - damo will get the scan results at the end of the phase in which he scanned? so if he scans jamiet now, he'll get results at SoN2?

[Chaqa]

Damo - make sure you post your scan result before EoN so if you get Reave'd, we don't get bad info. You'll have to weigh whether to inform us immediately so we can come up with plans, or to wait until end of night so Reavers don't have a good plan.

Good advice

Just to confirm - damo will get the scan results at the end of the phase in which he scanned? so if he scans jamiet now, he'll get results at SoN2?

Yes

[damo666]

This is an important question.



This was from EOD D1, and we never found out the value of C, although this could be because there was no way it could not be 2 yet. If we do not find out the value of C at EOD, that means we will not be able to determine if Jamie is the doctor at EOD.

You mean C could not yet be 1. It was zero then.

What we need to know is if Xorxes' votes to total 2 (ie C=1). Pedantic but we need to avoid confusion.

I believe the Captain gets 2 extra votes, and that xorxes got the extra votes as soon as he revealed, so he would have had them D1.

Sorry Bozo, my mistake. So it seems the voting resolution was bollocks. I'm now suspicious that Jamie may have Reavered Xorxes.

Anyway, I guess we lynch worcej and I read Jamie.

[Chaqa]

##CallGM - can the Commuter's action be roleblocked? It works similar to the Space Stone from the EndGame, right, where it takes effect immediately?