M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[DemonRHK]

Hey, killed a golem, got some sweet ass armor. Much savescumming involved.

Anyway

CASE AGAINST D&W CHERRY PICKED TO HELL JUST TO FIT MY NARRATIVE

vibe check! Will, who would you vote RIGHT NOW? Why aren't you voting anyone?

I'll answer your question because you didn't ask me:
##VOTE KAKARROTO

Out the jump, voting a townie. Obvscum.
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To be clear, I am claiming ghug is powerwolfing by the following definition:

powerwolf. v,
1. To make aggressive statements and directly or indirectly pressure others to agree with those statements as mafia

This is definitely not something town should be doing, as it discourages open communication and problem-solving.

proposal: ban subordinate clauses. too complicated. we can do away with passive voice too

I didn't realize you were a Jamie-accredited simpleton.

Ghug being aggressive and shaming bona

FOUR separate times on D1 D&DW accused ghug of powerwolfing, NOT ONCE was a vote ever cast.

Speaking of:

Flavius, my friend, rest assured that while I may seek counsel and wisdom from various sources, the thoughts and decisions I share are wholly my own. Just as a blade is tempered by the hands of a skilled smith, my words are forged through my own experiences and convictions.

##VOTE BUNNY
##END

ghug ending on bunny for a funny, if a bit distracting, gimmick

This is part of D&Ws implication on ghug, yet on the VERY NEXT PAGE:

That's fine but playing an inferior game is not!
##END

You're not any longer; please don't suggest you didn't make that play though.

Seriously? You're complaining that I ended on will for playing Among Us? Obviously, that was a very serious vote and not a joke.

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Next, D&W attempting to cool the earth down SINGLEHANDEDLY via damo wagon shade:

Can someone explain the damo wagon to me?

Has there been a single case made on Damo yet?

I agree. The damo wagon doesn't really have any evidence.

Here's my theory: damo is town and the wagon on him contains scum trying to stop the Hamilton wagon.

If you disagree, please quote something scummy damo has said and explain how that post is scummy.

worcej Squigs44 Jamiet99uk DemonRHK Dousing foodcoats
At least two of the above people (currently wagoning damo) are scum.

Has there been a single case made on Damo yet?

He's attempting to hammer someone and repeatedly refusing to provide any argument beyond "his posts are obviously scummy" which looks like scum!damo in bussing mode.

This has been explained.

Now it has. Before it kind of wasn't.
Ham is like 92% scum. Damo is like 83% town.

Rereading damo's posts via bot it seems like he's just behind. Jamiet, you said damo is repeatedly not responding to questions. Is there any evidence that he just hasn't read them yet?

Then, less than 10 minutes post HB's flip, D&W is suddenly all "WHY OH WHY DID WE NOT GET DAMO!? WE MUST GET HIM TOMORROW."

If anyone hast he ability as a PR to kill damo, DO IT

???
Why wouldn't we just wagon damo tomorrow and save the vig action?

Hmm. Does a PR kill Demon tonight and we wagon Damo tomorrow, or does a PR kill Damo tonight and we wagon Demon tomorrow? So many options...

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Finally, after the flip, D&W has been very quiet, and made THIS clunker:

Kak being town isn't a surprise to me, and I'm not having a hard time reading the kill.
Kak was very upset with me over a bad plan at the beginning of the game that kak and Fluminator created. Kak was demanding it was entirely Fluminator, while I thought kak had extrapolated Flum's bad idea to a terrible one. Kak and I also disagreed on a few other things (including but not limited to Flum's alignment). Kak was variously either scumreading me or suggesting I was playing terrible town. I, on the other hand, though Kak was town and was just tunnelling Flum and me.
The mafia might be hoping that we miskill one of Kak's scumreads today (or they might be hoping we think as much, and there we get WIFOM). I suspect this indicates most if not all of kak's scumreads are town (reading a town's scumreads as town may seem counterintuitive, but I'm solving from my perspective, not yours. This makes a lot of sense once you consider me and kak's history and accept that I'm town). I will, however, look into Kak's scumreads. Some of them might be right.
For now, I still scumread sweet. ##VOTE SWEET

In addition to the very first post I quoted, here are some more winners:

Kak, you dropped your pocket.

ooop I misspelled kaks name
##VOTE KAKARROTO

Again, let's please not tell mafia who would accept a tadpole.

hard agree with dipandwar here, we don't to give mafia any more advantages.

Ok I may be biased because he agreed with me, but kak's whole "everyone say if they would accept a tadpole" routine was scummy and needed to be shut down.

If everyone stated whether they would accept a tadpole, mafia would know who they could successfully recruit. We're better off not revealing whether we would accept so mafia has like a 50% chance or whatever at successful recruitment.

I think this is a great reason why Kak isn't scum, actually. Actual scum would think this through just like this, determine that they're probably going to to get heat for suggesting it, realize that town might just lie, and so it's not worth it. The scum team is much more likely to discuss who they think is the best player that they can successfully turn is rather than relying on anything that anyone has said in the thread about accepting a tadpole.

Maybe, but even if that didn't indicate kak was scum, it was still a bad plan for town to follow.

This is probably not the best time, but I teamsolve sweet, ghug, (either damo or HB), food, and Kak.

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The play is bog standard HYPOCROCY.
Trying to change the narrative, rules for thee, and called out by a dead confirmed towny.
SEND D&W TO THE GODDAMN GULAG

[FlaviusAetius]

Given that day 1 was TvT I suspect most scum sat back and let town kill town while they were off lead wagons. I therefore suggest that tomorrow we concentrate on that group of 11 although I townread Kak so that reduces it to 10. Hopefully it gets furthe reduced overnight.

PS Best wishes to our 2 subbed outs.

Some of those not on the lead wagons were AFK, and the lead wagons at the time were much less clear, so I dont think the group of 11 is actually the group of 11.
aarodactyl & will were both early voters of me but then didnt get back for when things changed. Same with lfishcl for Flum. I read Colby as town I liked his analysis and his reponses to my questioning of him. I also read Kak as a town, and HB is dead so he isnt apart of the group of 11 either.

So... that leaves king ofpirates who was AFK this entire time basically so he doesnt count either and not sure what to think of Balki yet, so put him to the side I suppose..

LEAVING;
TheMadMonarch(who??), ghug & Bona

For Flav and anyone else who hasn't been here in a while TheMadMonarch is the player formerly using the handle Macca.

Good to know, but I was talking ore in reference to that he hasnt spoken basically at all.

[Dousing]

*Snipped to prevent spam*

Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far.

I *wish* I could reward Fox's efforts by townreading him but this seems more like annoyance/self-preservation rather than townie behavior; scum Foxcastle and town foxcastle could've made this post.

What about his argument spoke to you?

How did it tell you something about this game we're playing?

It's not the argument just the effort.

It's similar vibes to this meme:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkslk7bp3svn21.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4ad6a266af9e4257521987e7aa12bbde0a36631e

It's the effort that's astonishing not the end product

[Foxcastle]

Also, I think Ezio and lfischl are unlikely to be scum.

[Balki Bartokomous]

In case my point about Balki v Fox wasn't clear:

I don't care much that Balki has a history of tunneling Fox. I care more about if Balkis case in this game is credible. People are reacting to Fox's defense but not saying much about Balkis original case which worries me

+1!

[Dousing]

Dousing: I'm...still pretty convinced he's town, but those last couple posts were less good.

WHAT?? Okay if I pretend to town-read you can be be friends again?

shit. seriously? why do you care?

Bc I'm a fan of friendship?

And I was shitposting? lmao

[Squigs44]

Balki called FoxCastle low impact, and attributed that to scumminess. Do people think Fox isn't low impact, or do they think he isn't scummy for that? Or do you agree with Balki?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki called FoxCastle low impact, and attributed that to scumminess. Do people think Fox isn't low impact, or do they think he isn't scummy for that? Or do you agree with Balki?

His votes, in particular.

(I literally have read half the game, plus a Fox ISO )

[Bonatogether]

what do you all think of bona so far? It's been a minute but I remember him being a lot more active, whether just shitposts or whatnot as town

betrayal from the fisch

[Foxcastle]

In case my point about Balki v Fox wasn't clear:

I don't care much that Balki has a history of tunneling Fox. I care more about if Balkis case in this game is credible. People are reacting to Fox's defense but not saying much about Balkis original case which worries me

I encourage you go read the previous games. I provided links for several searches of Balki's posts where he mentions me. It is strikingly similar language about appearing to be engaged, trying without trying, etc. He has made very similar arguments against me in previous games and been wrong.

[FlaviusAetius]

@Dousing
D&W is also a person who throws his vote around so hi calling Ghug a powerwolf 4 seperate times and not actually voting for him is crazy, I still think Ghug tells us a lot more about the team if Ghug flips, then Dip is next and if Dip flips then Flum is next

[Bonatogether]

Agree no reason to end.

However Kak was my strongest townread and I had mild suspicions about Dip. Doesn't fit my off top D1 wagons criteria but I'm happy to follow Kak's read.

Damo is obvscum.

Yes.

Shall we end him?

##VOTE damo

##END

dispute that damo is scum

[aarodactyl]

Ahh, good point. I wasn't there for EoD 1 so that might be the root cause of this misunderstanding.

I'll try to ISO flavius to see if what you're saying is true. Regardless, if you want an anti-flavius wagon to work you should probably bring more evidence than "remember how wEiRd Flavius acted at EoD?"

I don’t feel strongly enough about it push a wagon right now. Bunny just asked who my strongly scum lean was. I’ve also only had 1 full day off work since may 20th, so I honestly don’t have the energy to do so either.

??? How did I act weird during EOD, you werent THERE for it and voted me anyways. You and Will were part of the reason the flash wagon even happened, two people who voted me and werent there for the end of the day to even defend your vote. It made me a viable wagon without bringing in evidence...

If you read what I wrote, I said that you were acting weird 30-60 minutes before eod, not that you were doing it up until eod (which tbh was kind of a blur when I had to reread several hours of posts when I was out of meetings yesterday). And honestly, all I’ve been saying is that I scumlean you.

@dousing this post is an example of what I meant about it feeling like their reactions are performative. But I’ve also never played with them and they wouldn’t be the last person to reaction strongly when accused of being even a bit scummy.

[Balki Bartokomous]

In case my point about Balki v Fox wasn't clear:

I don't care much that Balki has a history of tunneling Fox. I care more about if Balkis case in this game is credible. People are reacting to Fox's defense but not saying much about Balkis original case which worries me

I encourage you go read the previous games. I provided links for several searches of Balki's posts where he mentions me. It is strikingly similar language about appearing to be engaged, trying without trying, etc. He has made very similar arguments against me in previous games and been wrong.

I am not saying here that you are trying without trying. I am saying you are not taking risks.

[aarodactyl]

What you did and what foxcastle did are *polar opposites*

Foxcastle brought up FIVE different examples of Balki scumreading Foxcastle

You did the equivalent of "we were wolves man..."

He honestly left out the most important piece of that - what was Balki’s role when he did it. If he was scum even two of the times fox is citing, that gives him a 1/3 success rate at railroading which is honestly higher than most people can claim.

I noted the one time Balki was scum.

My mistake. 25% accuracy is probably about the same as just randomly guessing so I can see the frustration.

[brainbomb]

Meanwhile at the Taco Johns

Drive Thru Guy: May I take your order?

Steve: yea, I need a six pack and a pound.

Drive Thru Guy: we dont have that anymore. We replaced that with a giant bucket full of burritos.

Steve: is there sour cream in those?

Drive Thru Guy: Yes

Steve: Fine ill take 24 large potato Oles

Drive Thru Guy: 24? Are you feeding an army?

Steve: No i’m feeding the Harpers.


DiplomacyandWarfare (3) DemonRHK* damo666 worcej
damo666 (3) Jamiet99uk* Col7by lfischl
Foxcastle (2) Balki Bartokomous sweetandcool
lfischl (2) Squigs44 Fluminator
Ezio (2) Yoyoyozo foodcoats
sweetandcool (1) DiplomacyandWarfare
ghug (1) FlaviusAetius
Unvote (1) BunnyGo*
Dousing (1) ghug
Jamiet99uk (1) Dousing

End-votes (3/24):
DemonRHK Jamiet99uk BunnyGo


Non-votes
aarodactyl
Bonatogether
Ezio
Foxcastle
JustAGuyNamedWill
TheMadMonarch
Vecna

no one is scheduled to die.
17.5 hours remain

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Foxcastle, what would help me the most would be if you would address each of your three votes and explain why you made them. It would also help if you address my suspicion that you have spent the game focused on low hanging fruit.

[Foxcastle]

@Foxcastle, u mad bro?

I’d prefer for you to address my arguments on their face rather than take us through a history lesson. I do recall catching you as scum one time some years ago. I don’t recall whether I have read you as scum more than I’ve read other players as scum in the other games we’ve played together. Were any of the games you’ve quoted played in the last like, three years? Were there other times in those same games when I read you as Town? It’s been a long time…

I’m happy to be wrong about my read on you here. But the thing you wrote is much more of a distraction than a way to engage with me.

Please talk about your votes in this game. They seem very low impact and low risk. Do you see what I mean about that? What do you think your votes say about your alignment? And I don’t think you engaged with me at all until I voted for you. Why is that?

You also launched into this red-font response after I made what…one or two posts about you? Why not let it marinate? Why do you think you are acting so aggressively defensive in this way?

I am, actually, yeah. I only signed up after you dropped out, because I suspected this would happen if we played together. Because it's happened every other time. If someone consistently made the same attack on you, and it was consistently wrong, and they had the charisma and argumentative power to make it stick every time, I think you'd be frustrated too.

[Bonatogether]

I also find a weird shift for Bunny day 1 to day 2, in volume of posting and tone. Maybe Bunny just got tired of RP or finally caved to the complaints.

Bunny has been playing D1 differently than D2+ for many games now.

bongo, by trying to escape meta by playing self-awarely each d1, has fallen into a new meta. really says something doesn't it

[FlaviusAetius]

Oh, that's interesting, I missed this before. I would actually say this catch by Jamie is a scum point for HB. It suggests the lists were prefabricated and re-arranged and something got missed in the spellcheck.

YOOOOOO THIS IS A SCUMSLIP BY HB

Bad. Scumpoints for food and flav

It was a stressful EOD, I was having trouble catching up in time and had to skip 10 or so pages. I was looking for the slip that wasnt there, HB gave a reasonable response to this and I ended up siding with him in the end and went with damo, after the whole Flum wagon, and then the Dip flash wagon