M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Snowy I tried making a case on DL for you but it wasn't working. Sorry

Well I'm finally sat down so I guess I'll work on it

I was thinking maybe not in the shower too but as a whole I only once skimmed this entire thread so I might be smoking something nuts

Probably not though, I must say.

[snowy801]

Bona has been trending upwards for me with recent posts

What about?

[Jamiet99uk]

Harder is not impossible, and also supremely subjective especially given how you guys are doing this d2

I see you don't even dispute my assertion that the way you approach things makes things harder for town. Your mindset is fundamentally anti-town and you are more interested in demonstrating your own supposed intellect and putting other people down than actually trying to help town win.

No, I am trying to help town win. By you know, telling you who I think are scum, implying that I have greater insights about them that I am not immediately willing to reveal, and then later admitting that it was just mostly "vibes".

You just don't appreciate that because you can't deal with the fact that people can do things that don't align with your perfect model of how town should play, which is 1) not even helpful, evidenced by your own performances and 2) not scum indicative if not

Some of the best games I've played on here I've muddied the waters and each and every time you cried about it even as I went on to win the game. I'm honestly tired of you as an individual and I should entirely emphasize that I am not putting other people down, I'm just putting you down because I'm so sick of you I had you muted all of yesterday

There I fixed it for you.

[snowy801]

Well it's technically two people:

Snowy = my highest of scum reads, keeps making excuses for inactiveness,tried to ATE us with that long winded post, his strategy in day one makes no sense, has tried to buddy me a lot which is giving me m70 vibes.

Damo = one of my other strong scum reads. I have explained this before but I could be biased in my scum read of him.

G hug = I actually don't want to vote for you but when I was making the post it seemed like a wagon was beginning to form but yea I don't read you as scum.

You know your take that my post is ATE and that my strategy in day one makes no sense is exactly why I made that post. After this game (or if I flip I guess) I strongly recommend actually reading through it diligently because it highlights exactly the manner in which you are wrong

Why do I actively act scummy as scum? If I wanted to lurk, why didn't I just do that? I neither lurked yesterday nor today, I was just explaining why I didn't do what I said I would do yesterday (in real time) because unexpected events stole my time

You don't have an answer to that. To you it's just weird and weird = scummy to you. This is a fundamental flaw in your heuristic that you'll need to fix if you don't want to end up like Jamiet.

[Squigs44]

Snowy, I do think your observations of ghug are accurate but your interpretation of those observations are what I disagree with. I am trying to be cautious of ghug, but I don't think he's the best option today

[Jamiet99uk]

q: why did you push bo_sox yesterday?
a: eh, I wasn't really feeling it but I did sort of not really scum read him and wanted to see how it would end up. The wagon around bona was tremendously interesting and I wanted to see how it would lie down.

Clearly in that post you said you did not really scumread him.

Those are your words. But now you are changing your story again.

Second of all, I've long since moved on from the "fuck the b-line" comment. I very clearly acknowledged your statement that I had apparently mis-interpreted it, and I haven't mentioned it since that acknowledgement. It is not a central pillar of my case. You suddenly drawing attention back onto this comment is nothing to do with me, and appears a transparent attempt to discredit my otherwise reasonable case by dredging up a minor point that I am no longer relying on. Basic defence attorney tactics for sure but not very convincing.

And just as I finish writing that you boldly emphasize why I'm so sick of your shit

You have a reading disability. It is not conductive to forum mafia. "sort of not really scum read" absolutely means I slightly scum read someone, and the most pathetic part of this all is that I think you're town and truly believe what you're saying

Retire

Oh for fuck's sake.

If that's even true, I don't have a reading problem, you have a writing problem.

Saying "sort of not really" is not in any way the same as saying "absolutely slightly do" and your communication problems are not my fault.

[snowy801]

Snowy, I do think your observations of ghug are accurate but your interpretation of those observations are what I disagree with. I am trying to be cautious of ghug, but I don't think he's the best option today

Well my best last guess is still bona, which I'm not really sure the stars align on

I've learned to trust my guts over the years

[Jamiet99uk]

Well it's technically two people:

Snowy = my highest of scum reads, keeps making excuses for inactiveness,tried to ATE us with that long winded post, his strategy in day one makes no sense, has tried to buddy me a lot which is giving me m70 vibes.

Damo = one of my other strong scum reads. I have explained this before but I could be biased in my scum read of him.

G hug = I actually don't want to vote for you but when I was making the post it seemed like a wagon was beginning to form but yea I don't read you as scum.

You know your take that my post is ATE and that my strategy in day one makes no sense is exactly why I made that post. After this game (or if I flip I guess) I strongly recommend actually reading through it diligently because it highlights exactly the manner in which you are wrong

Why do I actively act scummy as scum? If I wanted to lurk, why didn't I just do that? I neither lurked yesterday nor today, I was just explaining why I didn't do what I said I would do yesterday (in real time) because unexpected events stole my time

You don't have an answer to that. To you it's just weird and weird = scummy to you. This is a fundamental flaw in your heuristic that you'll need to fix if you don't want to end up like Jamiet.

What does ATE mean? I've seen that before.

[snowy801]

Snowy, I do think your observations of ghug are accurate but your interpretation of those observations are what I disagree with. I am trying to be cautious of ghug, but I don't think he's the best option today

Well my best last guess is still bona, which I'm not really sure the stars align on

I've learned to trust my guts over the years

Sigh

Let's see about this DeathLlama thing. Could be wrong for all I know

[Squigs44]

Bona has been trending upwards for me with recent posts

What about?

His interactions and thoughts of bozo and ghug. But generally he's being more active and less reactive

[Jamiet99uk]

Snowy: "I didn't really scumread Bo_Sox"

Jamie: "If you didn't scumread Bo_Sox, why did you vote for him?"

Snowy: "HOW DARE YOU. I DID SCUMREAD BO_SOX AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YOU CAN'T READ. I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT."

[Jamiet99uk]

The lack of appetite for bozo is weird. Have people liked his day?

##VOTE bona

No, Bozo is still pretty crappy. His theory about you and Squigs being partners together because you have similar reads remains wafer thin and totally unconvincing.

I'd vote for him but I'm happy with Snowy and Snowy's meltdown isn't changing my mind all that much.

[Bonatogether]

Bona has been trending upwards for me with recent posts

you always say this

[Jamiet99uk]

Bona has been trending upwards for me with recent posts

Upwards in which direction?

More town, or more scum?

[Squigs44]

There's some buzz around Bozo but no traction. Let's see what happens
##vote Bozo

[ghug]

I hate to agree with Snowy, but Celaph although that was a very long post already, it could have done with a "conclusions" paragraph.

I'm shit rn, but yeah. That's on me. My tl;dr paragraph was mostly supposed to be the conclusion. I was hoping to catch scum ghug in a lie and it turned out he was telling the truth so I've dropped the read, though I still think voting for someone because you dislike them is bad town play. I just didn't delete the work I was compiling when I realized I was wrong.

Disdain for someone is a tiebreaker, but it's more about eliminating people who a) aren't valuable as town and b) haven't demonstrated towniness. Note that I didn't want to kill worcej yesterday, or that I actually like Chaqa and Jamie most of the time.

[BesharamSabi]

Why is damo highlighted here if I may ask?

Damo is one of the people I was scum reading. I honestly can't decide between demo and snowy at this point.

Why do you list these three specifically?

Well it's technically two people:

Snowy = my highest of scum reads, keeps making excuses for inactiveness,tried to ATE us with that long winded post, his strategy in day one makes no sense, has tried to buddy me a lot which is giving me m70 vibes.

Damo = one of my other strong scum reads. I have explained this before but I could be biased in my scum read of him.

G hug = I actually don't want to vote for you but when I was making the post it seemed like a wagon was beginning to form but yea I don't read you as scum.

The snowy wagon's not going anywhere, so I'd suggest parking on damo if those are your choices. What do you think of bona/bozo/celaph?

Why isn't the snowy wagon going anywhere?

Bona has been off but I dunno, too early to say kill him yet in my opinion.

Bozo has been making more of an effort than the other two. Has been engaging more.

Celaph was Mia for more than a day. Need him to engage more or he's a town liability in my opinion.

What are your opinions on those three?

Bozo and Bona have been somewhat active.

[Squigs44]

Bona has been trending upwards for me with recent posts

Upwards in which direction?

More town, or more scum?

Less scummy

[celaph]

If it weren't Bona, I'd say this is compelling evidence that he's town. As is, who fucking knows?

I both agree with you and hate the way you say this. Makes it feel like you aren't even going to try and sort him.

[ghug]

There's some buzz around Bozo but no traction. Let's see what happens
##vote Bozo

##VOTE bozo