M50: Madness in Memetown [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

@Dargorygel: Have you read the setup now?

[Jamiet99uk]

1. All players must vote at least once per game day, and post at least twice per game day.

Does this mean that there is no requirement to post at night at all?

Normally there is no post requirement at night.

[xorxes]

I think a mass claim is a benefit to town in this setup, especially since the third parties don't know what roles are safe to claim.

Third parties have safe roles to claim, at least this is what I understood from GMs answers.

No role is "safe" to claim. If they randed a confirmable fake role, it's pretty much useless for them. If they randed one of the unconfirmable roles, then they will be lynch candidates even if they claim it.

[Vaporwave]

@Vapor: Just for our interest, why did you decide to use your power so early?

Being by myself as a mafia was nerve-wrecking, I needed to talk to my team which was impossible during day phase, e.m.c wasn't online to babysit me, so something needed to be done.

in retrospective, I should have asked Chaqa to clarify and to offer tips on how to use my role. I also think, spelling this song across multiple posts would still have exposed me.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vapor: Just for our interest, why did you decide to use your power so early?

Being by myself as a mafia was nerve-wrecking, I needed to talk to my team which was impossible during day phase, e.m.c wasn't online to babysit me, so something needed to be done.

in retrospective, I should have asked Chaqa to clarify and to offer tips on how to use my role. I also think, spelling this song across multiple posts would still have exposed me.

Haha, ok, so you basically panicked and shat your pants? Lol. Alright.

[Vaporwave]

Why did you want to hammer when the vote was tie, at least from your perspective?

Nice to see you, bozo

Yes, it's obvious that if I would have READ and clicked on every single link, I would not have auto-exposed myself.

Never looked at votes, I was so clueless regarding my role:

- I thought it would mean day end without any lynching being performed.
- I wasn't aware that Chaqa's doc file contained my role description, if I would have known this, a different course of action would have been taken instead.
- I wasn't prepared for Chaqa to expose me, I had no way of knowing that he would post that song, again being ignorant of public role description available to all.

Have fun, bozo!

[damo666]

I did not see any provision in the rules stating I have to read my role pm.

So im not gonna do that

Forward it to me and I'll read it instead.

Is encouraging someone to break the rules against the rules?

[Jamiet99uk]

I did not see any provision in the rules stating I have to read my role pm.

So im not gonna do that

Forward it to me and I'll read it instead.

Is encouraging someone to break the rules against the rules?

This is your only post so far. Is this really the most important thing you could think of to talk about?

##VOTE DAMO

[bozotheclown]

I think a mass claim is a benefit to town in this setup, especially since the third parties don't know what roles are safe to claim.

Third parties have safe roles to claim, at least this is what I understood from GMs answers.

I did not see any GM answer that said the third parties have unassigned town roles to claim. That makes a mass claim a problem for the third parties, who would have to wait to claim last or risk counterclaiming a role.

[bozotheclown]

I think a mass claim is a benefit to town in this setup, especially since the third parties don't know what roles are safe to claim.

Third parties have safe roles to claim, at least this is what I understood from GMs answers.

No role is "safe" to claim. If they randed a confirmable fake role, it's pretty much useless for them. If they randed one of the unconfirmable roles, then they will be lynch candidates even if they claim it.

Why do you think they have fake roles at all?

[rdrivera2005]

I think a mass claim is a benefit to town in this setup, especially since the third parties don't know what roles are safe to claim.

Third parties have safe roles to claim, at least this is what I understood from GMs answers.

No role is "safe" to claim. If they randed a confirmable fake role, it's pretty much useless for them. If they randed one of the unconfirmable roles, then they will be lynch candidates even if they claim it.

I choose to believe GMs gave them roles that can be claimed (a confirmable role don't fit this). I really dislike trying to game the system.

[Jamiet99uk]

Let's clarify this shall we?

##CALL GM

1. Have any Third Parties also been provided with fake role(s) to claim in the event of a mass claim?

2. Is Xorxes a Third Party?

[rdrivera2005]

Xorxes - convince me you are town and not a sneaky 3rd party arsonist or infector

Easy peasy, I will be claiming my role before EON. I have done that in the last two games with a Janitor, for obvious reasons.

How is it any good for third parties to be forced to claim a fake role?

Assassin don't know who have the roles he need to kill, massclaim just give an easy win to him (not that bad as he can win with either town or mafia). Infector can choose the visiting roles so he can spread disease faster.

But I agree that massclaim is probably even worst for Mafia.

[e.m.c^42]

Let's clarify this shall we?

##CALL GM

1. Have any Third Parties also been provided with fake role(s) to claim in the event of a mass claim?

2. Is Xorxes a Third Party?

##GM Note

1) No, they have not.
2) That is up for y'all to decide ;)

[rdrivera2005]

Let's clarify this shall we?

##CALL GM

1. Have any Third Parties also been provided with fake role(s) to claim in the event of a mass claim?

2. Is Xorxes a Third Party?

##GM Note

1) No, they have not.
2) That is up for y'all to decide

Well, I feel bad for them. In this case the massclaim make a lot more sense. I would suggest everybody claim at EON (to avoid janitor) and on D2 the confirmed (or confirmable) decide the order of the one's that didn't claim at EON should claim).

[bozotheclown]

Xorxes - convince me you are town and not a sneaky 3rd party arsonist or infector

Easy peasy, I will be claiming my role before EON. I have done that in the last two games with a Janitor, for obvious reasons.

How is it any good for third parties to be forced to claim a fake role?

Assassin don't know who have the roles he need to kill, massclaim just give an easy win to him (not that bad as he can win with either town or mafia). Infector can choose the visiting roles so he can spread disease faster.

But I agree that massclaim is probably even worst for Mafia.

It doesn't sound like the assassin has a killing power, which means a mass claim would not be an easy win for him.

[rdrivera2005]

Easy peasy, I will be claiming my role before EON. I have done that in the last two games with a Janitor, for obvious reasons.

How is it any good for third parties to be forced to claim a fake role?

Assassin don't know who have the roles he need to kill, massclaim just give an easy win to him (not that bad as he can win with either town or mafia). Infector can choose the visiting roles so he can spread disease faster.

But I agree that massclaim is probably even worst for Mafia.

It doesn't sound like the assassin has a killing power, which means a mass claim would not be an easy win for him.

If this is true it's probably the worst third party ever. How an Assassin don't have a killing power?

[bozotheclown]

Assassin don't know who have the roles he need to kill, massclaim just give an easy win to him (not that bad as he can win with either town or mafia). Infector can choose the visiting roles so he can spread disease faster.

But I agree that massclaim is probably even worst for Mafia.

It doesn't sound like the assassin has a killing power, which means a mass claim would not be an easy win for him.

If this is true it's probably the worst third party ever. How an Assassin don't have a killing power?

I do not see anything in the role description about a killing power.

##CALL GM

Does the assassin role have a night kill or some other killing power?

[bozotheclown]

If there is an Omniscient, I think they should provide the role list when they claim, since there is likely a Traitor.

[KalelChase]

Greetings all,

Just read everything up to this point. Sorry to not get to play with Kit again.

Only 2nd game, so had to look up mass claim.

Would the team consider doing it via the popcorn method? We'd all 'vote' someone "the most scummy" to reveal first... It does seem that Vapor falls under this condition, but since they seem like a likely wagon tomorrow I'd be up for Vecna. If we can get conscientious to move forward this way they'd claim first.

Regardless, I've redesigned the spreadsheet I tried to use the last game so as to track townie behavior vs. scummy behavior. I've got those in favor of mass claim as townie points, and those against as scum.
Lets hope it works better for us this time (I was Quill last time so no way I was going to help so much, really want to do better this time so I'll take any advice anyone's willing to give, but won't keep playing the newbie card).

The game is a foot.

Rule #73 of mafia:
Don't tell people how you differentiate town from scum - it lets scum use that to their advantage.

Check... I will put down one point of scum for myself. Thanks.