M1009 [HIDDEN]

[rdrivera2005]

But at the same time bozo seems lil' bit too eloquent and that gives shivers.

and goldchaq's sardonic tone isn't helping much, as well as the previously giant pile on him.

and the urge to poke Jamie is still there.

Are you really confident about Jamiet?

[e.m.c^42]

But at the same time bozo seems lil' bit too eloquent and that gives shivers.

Bozo is always like that.

If you went up to Bozo in real life and slapped him in the face, he would respond by talking politely for five minutes about why that was not a good strategy, including a brief summary of the local law regarding common assault.

I'd kneel for that

[xorxes]

I say it's gold-brain-Jamie

Despite all the shade bozo has been throwing my way today for some reason I don't completely understand, I think considering the rest of the game he has been putting town effort. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it at this point.

I have also hesitated about food quite a lot, but he seems the towniest of the four remaining.

[e.m.c^42]

But at the same time bozo seems lil' bit too eloquent and that gives shivers.

and goldchaq's sardonic tone isn't helping much, as well as the previously giant pile on him.

and the urge to poke Jamie is still there.

Are you really confident about Jamiet?

Absolutely not, lol.

[bozotheclown]

My biggest question is whether xorxes has been trying to pocket me by agreeing with me and town reading me, or if he agreed with me because he is town and really found the same things suspicious. I am getting more and more concerned that he has been trying to pocket me.

Hmm,,,

I remember agreeing with you once about one bit of wagon analysis you did (I would have to look the details up).

But for the most part, it seems you agreed with me much more often than me with you. I voted for Neph before you ever considered him. I found worcej's reaction test suspicious before you did, I suspected Tom before you did (if I remember correctly). I disagreed with you about your case on Chaqa, and when I did start to suspect Chaqa/goldie it was not at all related to the lack of memory case. I don't really remember a lot of instances of me agreeing with an idea that originated with you.

I did defend you from Jamie't ridiculous "lie" case, but I made it clear I disagreed with the case, but that you could still be scum for other reasons. I saved you D2 vs Tom amd worcej because I was townreading you, but most of all because I was scumreading Tom and worcej pretty hard.

So I think the way you present our affinity this game is incorrect. It was you following me much more than me following you.

I still think you are probably town though.

You and food have been the only ones of the unclears that have scumhunted from the beginning. Jamiet has scumhunted but almost in a flippant way, which I attributed to him being cop (conversely I scumread emc for similar reasons and it turns out I got that backwards). Chaqa/goldie have not really scumhunted, for whatever reasons (sickness, work) and brainbomb has only scumhunted in the last few hours.

You started pushing worcej a lot more after I agreed his reaction test claim looked fake, which of course it did, which is why it was a good opportunity to pocket me.

[Jamiet99uk]

But at the same time bozo seems lil' bit too eloquent and that gives shivers.

Bozo is always like that.

If you went up to Bozo in real life and slapped him in the face, he would respond by talking politely for five minutes about why that was not a good strategy, including a brief summary of the local law regarding common assault.

I'd kneel for that

What you and Bozo may wish to do in the privacy of your bedroom is none of my concern.

Are you going to vote?

[e.m.c^42]

I think today it will be between Gold and Bozo.
Maybe both are scum, but I can't see Gold reaction tomorrow as townie.

##vote Goldfinger0303

I will go with you and ##vote gold for now

if he does flip town and we lose, we can castigate him post-game about the taunting :P

[bozotheclown]

I say it's gold-brain-Jamie

Despite all the shade bozo has been throwing my way today for some reason I don't completely understand, I think considering the rest of the game he has been putting town effort. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it at this point.

I have also hesitated about food quite a lot, but he seems the towniest of the four remaining.

My biggest concern today is that you are scum with brainbomb and Jamie, but the scum bussing goldfinger seems like a reasonable possibility.

[e.m.c^42]

At the same time, gold has been consistently since game entry nipping at xorx, on-off

[xorxes]

I think it is too late to consider not claiming, it would only keep information away from town that the mafia can likely already figure out.

If we are going to lynch emc today (I think it's what makes most sense), it is probably unnecessary that food/goldie/rivera claim. In case both food and goldie are both town, it is better that Mafia don't know who is the doctor and who is the cop.

So change of plans: food and goldie do not claim if you are both PRs, do not claim your specific role in any case for now. If one of you is VT, then I think you do need to claim.

@bozo, @rivera, what do you think?

Maybe this post was a signal from xorxes to his teammates not to counterclaim PR after he realized rdrivera and emc were the PRs. xorxes should not have been pushing rdrivera to claim, the obvious move was to let rdrivera claim last to see if anyone would counterclaim first.

That post made perfect sense if rivera was VT and emc claimed VT. The last two had to be PR and keeping secret who was which made perfect sense. If rivera and emc had claimed earlier I could have done a lot more effective rereading yesterday knowing what was the scumpool. As it was, I was mostly considering emc as my top suspect, and I assumed at least one of food/goldie, and possibly both, were PR, which was completely wrong and a waste of effort.

[xorxes]

After this post from xorxes, goldfinger and foodcoats did not claim anything until after rdrivera and emc claimed.

In that post I said they should claim if they were VT. They should not if they were PR. So don't blame their uncooperativeness on me.

[bozotheclown]

If we are going to lynch emc today (I think it's what makes most sense), it is probably unnecessary that food/goldie/rivera claim. In case both food and goldie are both town, it is better that Mafia don't know who is the doctor and who is the cop.

So change of plans: food and goldie do not claim if you are both PRs, do not claim your specific role in any case for now. If one of you is VT, then I think you do need to claim.

@bozo, @rivera, what do you think?

Maybe this post was a signal from xorxes to his teammates not to counterclaim PR after he realized rdrivera and emc were the PRs. xorxes should not have been pushing rdrivera to claim, the obvious move was to let rdrivera claim last to see if anyone would counterclaim first.

That post made perfect sense if rivera was VT and emc claimed VT. The last two had to be PR and keeping secret who was which made perfect sense. If rivera and emc had claimed earlier I could have done a lot more effective rereading yesterday knowing what was the scumpool. As it was, I was mostly considering emc as my top suspect, and I assumed at least one of food/goldie, and possibly both, were PR, which was completely wrong and a waste of effort.

I would expect you to think rdrivera should claim last, and it did not make sense in my opinion to give scum a chance to claim PR at EOD by keeping the PRs hidden. Also, I think it was obvious to you by then that rdrivera was a PR.

[xorxes]

I was not sure what he meant either.

What I meant was this;

general to town reason: Flav sucks, therefore him being town was unfortunate.
particular to emc: Top two wagons at the time were Flav(3) emc(3), therefore from town!emc's perspective, Flav being town was unfortunate.

If emc though I was saying something about him being PR, I can see why he would not delve into it, but why didn't you ask at the time? You always ask when you don't understand something.

For obvious reasons?

you=bozo

I think that's what you misunderstood? Otherwise I don't get your comment.

[brainbomb]

##Vote goldfinger

nice lets go

[bozotheclown]

After this post from xorxes, goldfinger and foodcoats did not claim anything until after rdrivera and emc claimed.

In that post I said they should claim if they were VT. They should not if they were PR. So don't blame their uncooperativeness on me.

Yes, and they were VT and they did not claim, so either they ignored you or they were keeping open the opportunity to claim PR.

[e.m.c^42]

At the same time, gold has been consistently since game entry nipping at xorx, on-off

Quite literally, his first post was commenting on "xorx is off", most of his in-between posts on about or related to xorx, and last meaningful one was to vote for him. Question is, is this tunneling from a vaguely semi-lurky town or scum shenanigans.

[brainbomb]

gl gl all

[foodcoats]

##VOTE goldfinger

[xorxes]

I was not sure what he meant either.

What I meant was this;

general to town reason: Flav sucks, therefore him being town was unfortunate.
particular to emc: Top two wagons at the time were Flav(3) emc(3), therefore from town!emc's perspective, Flav being town was unfortunate.

If emc though I was saying something about him being PR, I can see why he would not delve into it, but why didn't you ask at the time? You always ask when you don't understand something.

I wanted emc to answer that question.

That's why I didn't answer for him. You didn't push him though.

[goldfinger0303]

Okay, at Penn station now.

Consider this: scum have been more than happy to push lynches of lurkers and absent people all game. I announced during the night that I would be busy. Surprise surprise people come out guns blazing against me in the day.

It's so shockingly unsurprising. The only thing moreso is that town are following it