MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[foodcoats]

Alright, a couple further post-rumination thoughts.

I actually think I would also eliminate ND today. There was a VCA thing that made me townread him, but his play suggests he is distanced from the game and seems disinterested in solving. His "Since D&W flipped scum I must re-examine the game" thing sounds disingenuous, like he is trying to appear to solve rather than actually CARING about solving.

Also, on KotP and mimi, I think I'm more worried about mimi. She has seemed to become flakier with time. I couldn't say what her opinion is. She seems a bit opportunistic and hedgy with how she moves her votes around. I could definitely see her being scum. KotP... I think I was slightly influence by Bunny scumreading him, but I just don't see it.

So what is the difference between a flaker and a lurker?

Hahaha. A flaker might also be called a waffler. Mimi has lots of ideas but isn’t too committed to any of them. A hedger! Flaky, hedgy waffles.

[foodcoats]

I think Will is right here, for what it's worth. I don't like that he used it to conclude Red was town with such certainty rather than to criticize the process, but the core point is fair.

The fuck is Nespresso Patronum?

They played here a few times… long time ago.

I remember EspressoPatronum, according to the outdated "Mafia Scoresheet", they played 4 out of 5 games in the M47-M49 range.

Derp, that’s it. “Nespresso” is a brand of instant coffee cups, like Keurig or whatever.

[brainbomb]

Lurkers are a problem if it gets to a mad monarch level of absenteeism. I just dont think weve really had this issue this game.

[brainbomb]

Yea it looks like youre just targeting people who arent great at defending against attacks of opportunity.

Although I of course am an exception.

[brainbomb]

I like the subtlety of this post’s real intent is to invalidate brain and mine thought process.

I didnt take it that way, keep in mind he said this when we were both voting him. So its what he would say as either align

Ahhhhh thank you for catching and explaining this brain.

food is scum with worcej

[brainbomb]

The above was because of me and worcej voting damo and food pretends like he didnt know that was the cause of that interaction

[brainbomb]

To expand my position here, I volunteer these three specifically because:

1. They are the least likely to entertain consensus outside of their own opinions.
2. Collectively they are more likely to be left around until later if town and usually suspicion forces us to have to MK them too late.
3. It's more interesting to eliminate "good players" on D1 than random MK's

I voted for ghug D1 last game and then I got D1’d, so I would be up to challenge the WDM meta again. As I said then, I cannot read ghug, so for me anyway he is a more positive EV flip than some others.

##VOTE ghug

Nothing personal ghug! It’s worcej’s fault.

I like this.

##vote ghug

Hmmmmm this gives worcej a place to move off of damo but joining a teammate that early maybe doesnt happen.

Back to rethinking

[bozotheclown]

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

I noticed that DiplomacyandWarfare did not include foodcoats in his reads list. Maybe someone already pointed this out and I missed it. It does not seem likely DiplomacyandWarfare would leave out a teammate, his teammates are the ones I would expect him to be most careful in placing.

Also, I think this post seems more likely to be a pocketing attempt than defending a teammate:

unpopular opinion:
I townread food
Maybe it's just that food is posting right now
Maybe it's the pfp
Maybe it's the actually thought-out reads
but I think food is town

[brainbomb]

Dip and war posts are indeed worse than usual. Ive seen his scum game many times and I remember it being focused on piggy backing off of proposed town strategies. In the example I remember balki had a plan and then ghug had a plan, and then dip amended the plan tediously to try to seem engaged in the plan which involved some circuitous mass claim idea. Not seeing as much involvement in trying to fit in with the strategic crew but the posts he has made are so non serious and so tonally awful.

##vote diplomacy&warfare

I’m not convinced you’re convinced by your own vote, brain.

Scum brain?

Shading the validity of my vote to protect your partner?

Why didnt you push me or do anything on this if this was a real thought

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Or if Spirit was dumb af and said hes vanilla town, then wolves would know he is either 3p or PR, and would try and push him

I've claimed to be a VT at least 3 separate times ;-;

[bozotheclown]

next player I'm looking at: demon, the second lowest poster after red neurax
post group 1: "my gimmick is being nice, I claim town, joke posts"
Post group 2: (votes brain) "brain is scummy, shitpost, why is the thread dead"
post group 3: (unvotes) "shitpost, voting vecna seems 'spicy', voting dip for 'movement'"
Post group 4: "I promise that was a crosspost even though I posted over a minute after ND"
post group 5: "guys, I think it's likely dip will vote in self defense if necessary. Worcej suggested we should wagon them, let's do it!"
At no point yesterday did anyone vote demon

...
so that's a lot of shitposts and not a lot of explained reads. I'm inclined to treat this as a rather extreme lurker between the low post count and the low post quality

conclusion: likely scum

should mention that the demon wagon also looks like it's going nowhere

When DiplomacyandWarfare said that about RHK's wagon, no one had more than 2 votes, and he could have voted for RHK to put him in a tie for the lead. That was still the case 5 hours later when DiplomacyandWarfare posted his reads list and started a new wagon on SpiritoftheRadio.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

scum is hunting 3p i think, RIP bunny

Were you thinking bunny was 3p or something?

i think he was a good candidate for mafia if they were looking, I wasn't really hunting 3p, but bunny always comes off as scummy to me, something about the way he hunts that just kind of seems... uncharitable to the point of seeming to try to incriminate people for things that clearly arent there in the text.

[DemonRHK]

'Eyo.

FWIW, I think DW's lurker post is NAI cause he woulda been hunting the 3P and try to use us to do it.

New line of thinking.

##Vote miminena

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I'll read and post more in like 4 hrs when my lab finishes

[bozotheclown]

One unusual thing about the D2 voting is that there were 3 cases where players vote for DiplomacyandWarfare then changed there vote before any other votes were placed. BunnyGo was one, Vecna and DemonRHK were the others:

thats all nifty, but instead look into his history of how he addressed me during the night and d2 and think about whether that is how you adress a townread

##vote DiplomacyAndWarfaresAndTooLongNames

##vote foodcoats

This feels pretty right and less predicatable

##Vote DiplomacyandWarfare

Dip is just hitting me in all of the wrong ways. While I still ain't a fan of food, I do admit my vote was memy and super weak. I know this is beating a dead horse from D1, but it's what I feel is right.

Better idea

##Vote Will

[ghug]

Or if Spirit was dumb af and said hes vanilla town, then wolves would know he is either 3p or PR, and would try and push him

I've claimed to be a VT at least 3 separate times ;-;

That's certainly a choice.

[ghug]

'Eyo.

FWIW, I think DW's lurker post is NAI cause he woulda been hunting the 3P and try to use us to do it.

New line of thinking.

##Vote miminena

From voting me to joining me, huh?

[Vecna]

this is a thing but im somewhat intoxicated

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Or if Spirit was dumb af and said hes vanilla town, then wolves would know he is either 3p or PR, and would try and push him

I've claimed to be a VT at least 3 separate times ;-;

That's certainly a choice.

AND will has been pushing me, which is funny

[DemonRHK]

'Eyo.

FWIW, I think DW's lurker post is NAI cause he woulda been hunting the 3P and try to use us to do it.

New line of thinking.

##Vote miminena

From voting me to joining me, huh?

Yea, I know.

I went looking at the people that avoided DW at all. And it's not just that mimi didn't vote DW, mimi was aggressively null about it. Especially for someone they interacted with a loooot.

Also, the whole 'ghug's master plan to look go by bussing D1 while not getting DW killed' is a much bigger stretch I admit, and it was a lazy vote by me.

Also doesn't help mimi voted a throwaway/counterwagon attempt EoD2.