MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

Time for rugrats' bedtime...they'll likely have ANOTHER snow day tomorrow. See you in a bit. Might not be around much the next 24 hours and will likely miss EOD no matter what (date night with Mrs. Bunny! Woodworking classes!)

[damo666]

Fear of watcher!chaqa?

Then why not kill Chaqa? I keep coming back to this.

Again, sorry if this is naive because I'm new, but:

But the mass claim business happened after the night was over. So during the night they would only have a maybe-Watcher maybe-protected by a maybe-Doctor and/or maybe-watching the maybe-Doctor.

And wouldn't the WIFOM approach be "let them waste the mutual Watching/Healing on each other while we take out someone else?"

Yes if worcej was townreading Chaqa. They might have thought worcej was bluffing but that's a bit of a stretch. The most obvious reason Chaqa wasn't targeted is that Chaqa is scum.

[worcej]

This is an exhausting conversation to read.

All three of you are PRs.

Worcej is Doctor.
Koala is a totally mysterious role
Bunny is ???

Unless bo comes in CCing, we don't need to worry about this.

Koala needed to understand this

[worcej]

I have family dinner tonight and getting the children ready to leave for that. I am going to ponder the situation and reflect on the best option for today.

[worcej]

Expect something before I got to sleep or more tomorrow - another light WFH day for me.

[rdrivera2005]

Then why not kill Chaqa? I keep coming back to this.

Again, sorry if this is naive because I'm new, but:

But the mass claim business happened after the night was over. So during the night they would only have a maybe-Watcher maybe-protected by a maybe-Doctor and/or maybe-watching the maybe-Doctor.

And wouldn't the WIFOM approach be "let them waste the mutual Watching/Healing on each other while we take out someone else?"

Yes if worcej was townreading Chaqa. They might have thought worcej was bluffing but that's a bit of a stretch. The most obvious reason Chaqa wasn't targeted is that Chaqa is scum.

I don't see any logic in both scenarios. If Chaqa is scum and they choose to kill a VT instead of Worcej why did he claimed VT instead of keeping the Watcher claim?

And if he is town and Mafia believed him why they didn't kill him and go for a VT if the all will claim VT, it also doesn't make sense.

I can see a scenario where Bo is scum and went missing so scum have limited actions options buy I think GM would have handled it.

[rdrivera2005]

I also don't like the way Bozo is tryng to disregard the argument on Bo vote on D1 being townie. It looks like scum tryng to keep open a possible miskill.

The bad thing is that on the VT claimants the only one I townread is Balki. I still scumread Damo, Bozo and lfischl and I am torn on Chaqa and null on Bo (assuming he will claim VT, which is likely as I believe the 3 claims).

[Balki Bartokomous]

I also don't like the way Bozo is tryng to disregard the argument on Bo vote on D1 being townie. It looks like scum tryng to keep open a possible miskill.

The bad thing is that on the VT claimants the only one I townread is Balki. I still scumread Damo, Bozo and lfischl and I am torn on Chaqa and null on Bo (assuming he will claim VT, which is likely as I believe the 3 claims).

Would you please quote the Bozo post that you find to be scum-indicative and spell out why it doesn’t look like a Town!Bozo post?

[Chaqa]

##Vote Lfischl

[BunnyGo]

bo_sox hadn't posted for over 4 hours when he posted 23 minute before EOD. If bo_sox came back at that time, his choices would have been to stay off the wagons, break the T vs. T tie, or cause a 3 way tie. As mafia, there would be no reason to stay off the wagons since the top 2 were town.

As the top 2 were town I would say there was every reason to stay off as mafia and monitor the situation.

I suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?

Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.

Is this the post rdr?

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote rdrivera2005

As I think about it, my friend Rivera has played quite under the radar.

[bo_sox48]

Stomach flu is fun.

Have we massclaimed yet

[bo_sox48]

This is an exhausting conversation to read.

All three of you are PRs.

Worcej is Doctor.
Koala is a totally mysterious role
Bunny is ???

Unless bo comes in CCing, we don't need to worry about this.

Koala needed to understand this

I’m gonna take this to mean that we have, and I’m not ccing

[bozotheclown]

I also don't like the way Bozo is tryng to disregard the argument on Bo vote on D1 being townie. It looks like scum tryng to keep open a possible miskill.

The bad thing is that on the VT claimants the only one I townread is Balki. I still scumread Damo, Bozo and lfischl and I am torn on Chaqa and null on Bo (assuming he will claim VT, which is likely as I believe the 3 claims).

I understand the idea that a mafia might not want to look responsible for deciding a mis-kill, but I think that only is expected to draw suspicion if the vote saved a teammate. The fact the anyone would town read bo_sox for make a T vs. T tie breaking vote D1 20 minutes before EOD is exactly why bo_sox is capable of doing it as mafia. It certainly is not a reason to declare bo_sox must be town and ignore everything he has done since.

[bozotheclown]

Stomach flu is fun.

Have we massclaimed yet

I am sorry you were sick, we have mass claimed, and everyone has participated except for you.

[bo_sox48]

As the top 2 were town I would say there was every reason to stay off as mafia and monitor the situation.

I suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?

Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.

Apparently D1 votes are meaningful now lol. Scum is gonna sit out a TvT D1, not drive it. Town is gonna put their own ass in the fire in order to keep things moving and not let them stagnate into an information-less abyss, which is exactly what was happening when I built an impromptu case on pyxxy.

I hammered on worcej because that was the plan and I agreed with it. What’s it matter if I scumread worcej? For the record, I felt he was “off” ans a reasonable target for the gambler as well as a reasonable kill that would give us a lot more to talk about from D1, especially if he flipped mafia. Going along with that plan didn’t bother me at all, and doing it quickly made a lot more sense than wasting 72 hours ho humming our energy away.

Where do you come up with this idea that I stay within this chalk outline of contrarianism as town and never agree with anyone or do anything that someone else proposes? I don’t listen to you very often because your ideas typically suck, but if you ever come up with a good one I’ll be on board.

[bo_sox48]

Stomach flu is fun.

Have we massclaimed yet

I am sorry you were sick, we have mass claimed, and everyone has participated except for you.

Just did.

[bo_sox48]

I felt like a ##VOTE Balki was due several days ago and still do. It’s just the vibes, man.

[bo_sox48]

Stopped reading back on page 83. Gonna go back to throwing up and ignoring this game now.

[bozotheclown]

As the top 2 were town I would say there was every reason to stay off as mafia and monitor the situation.

I suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?

Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.

Apparently D1 votes are meaningful now lol. Scum is gonna sit out a TvT D1, not drive it. Town is gonna put their own ass in the fire in order to keep things moving and not let them stagnate into an information-less abyss, which is exactly what was happening when I built an impromptu case on pyxxy.

I hammered on worcej because that was the plan and I agreed with it. What’s it matter if I scumread worcej? For the record, I felt he was “off” ans a reasonable target for the gambler as well as a reasonable kill that would give us a lot more to talk about from D1, especially if he flipped mafia. Going along with that plan didn’t bother me at all, and doing it quickly made a lot more sense than wasting 72 hours ho humming our energy away.

Where do you come up with this idea that I stay within this chalk outline of contrarianism as town and never agree with anyone or do anything that someone else proposes? I don’t listen to you very often because your ideas typically suck, but if you ever come up with a good one I’ll be on board.

The idea that scum will "sit out" a T vs. T D1 vote is not universally true, as proven by the last game where damo and lfischl both voted to break a T vs. T tie D1. Ending the day off the wagons or voting without a reason are the things that look more suspicious, so I expect you would avoid those things as mafia.

My opinion is formed by past experience, where I think the ideas that you typically don't like are on average better ideas than giving up a meaningful D2 in order to get a gambler that might not exist a random item. I did not expect anyone, including Balki, to follow through on trying to enforce the vote.