MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[Chaqa]

Interesting bluff?

Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I think it's better that than wasting a full day phase on flipping me.

The vig does really need to start shooting but since you're probably town I think you should consider just acting like it so people won't kill you.

Tbh I'm having a hard time keeping up. I thought the holiday weekend would be ideal for mafia but life has had other ideas.

[Chaqa]

tl;dr:

Flip Bonatogether tomorrow, and if he is scum, flip BunnyGo.

If Bonatogether dies and is not scum, flip Chaqa or JustWill.

Will is my strongest townread :/

That is interesting.

How so?

I think Sweet made an earnest effort to kill Will on D1 so I don't see him as likely mafia

[Chaqa]

What's the connection?

I voiced my Chaqa townread during D2. I don't think he would be this lazy as scum. I also think his play is detrimental to town, so I'd like him to change it.

The first is that you seem confident Chaqa is town, the second is that you implied the mafia were apathetic about D2 EOD, which would apply to Chaqa.

I can see general apathy and also specifically think that Chaqa is town. I find people who were here and didn't actually seem invested in affecting the outcome more suspicious than those who were simply absent, and there's a meta history of Chaqa being more invested as scum.

I don't know if I buy this.

Ghug knows that I don't really have a meta. This kinda feels like he's setting up his options to either pocket me or have a "ah gee willikers I guess we'll have to kill Chaqa" moment

[damo666]

This damo

But before Bona posted that couldn't Jamie have see Target X (not Sweet) being visited by Bona?

if he visited me n1, he would have seen me visiting myself, thereby showing that i am doc. therefore this is impossible

So, you didn't visit yourself N1?

[Chaqa]

My analysis:

People who clearly expressed a reason (or reasons) for voting Hamilton, and whose reason(s), at face value, made some sense, are as follows:

Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo
Temasek22
Bozo

People whose reason for voting Hamilton was unclear, or was not stated at all:

Ghug
JustAGuyNamedWill
Chaqa
Heartthrob

A person who did state a reason for voting Hamilton, but whose vote move looks extremely suspect:

Bonatogether.

Further notes:

(1) Of the 7 people who ended up on Hamilton at EoD:

Myself, Bunny, and JustWill, had voted Hamilton in the first 24 hours.
Chaqa, Bonatogether, Bozo and Heartthrob only voted Hamilton towards the end of the day.

(2) Only Ghug and Temasek voted Hamilton early, and then moved away, not to return to the wagon.

(3) Only Damo, Macca, Rdr and Worcej did not vote for Hamilton at all in D2.

This was posted 7 hours before EOD.

Bona ain't scum.

Can you explain why?

[damo666]

My analysis:

People who clearly expressed a reason (or reasons) for voting Hamilton, and whose reason(s), at face value, made some sense, are as follows:

Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo
Temasek22
Bozo

People whose reason for voting Hamilton was unclear, or was not stated at all:

Ghug
JustAGuyNamedWill
Chaqa
Heartthrob

A person who did state a reason for voting Hamilton, but whose vote move looks extremely suspect:

Bonatogether.

Further notes:

(1) Of the 7 people who ended up on Hamilton at EoD:

Myself, Bunny, and JustWill, had voted Hamilton in the first 24 hours.
Chaqa, Bonatogether, Bozo and Heartthrob only voted Hamilton towards the end of the day.

(2) Only Ghug and Temasek voted Hamilton early, and then moved away, not to return to the wagon.

(3) Only Damo, Macca, Rdr and Worcej did not vote for Hamilton at all in D2.

This was posted 7 hours before EOD.

Bona ain't scum.

Can you explain why?

This is out of date. Read on.

[Chaqa]

@Bozopedia: has Jamie ever crumbed or does he often crumb?

I feel like you all are over-reading that post

[Chaqa]

Vig could shoot Bona.

[BunnyGo]

Vig could shoot Bona.

Ok… some mech talk.

I dunno what the vig is planning, but let’s give them some advice:

It’s currently 9-3. That means we have 3 miskills left.

If vig hits one of each, that doesn’t change things.

If they hit 2 scum, we’re in much better place.

But it’s the remaining case that’s interesting:

If they shoot today and tomorrow, and hit town twice and we vote town twice, we don’t lose! It’s like we have 4 miskills by squeezing it into 2 days!

One option is for them to just shoot. But they haven’t yet, so maybe they’re waiting for something.

One option is for them to give it back to town and just shorten each day to 24 hours. Shoot the leading wagon at the halfway point tomorrow.

Thoughts?

Oh, and to be clear, vig need not and should not claim.

[damo666]

i will be able to post a little around 5

if i need to, will self-pres at that time and take other measures necessary

[ghug]

the vig shooting me is the worst of all possible worlds

i would much rather a 1-1 counterclaim battle if i am going to be escorted to the god thread by the work of town

Vig should shoot someone who isn't bona unless we actually get a CC.

[damo666]

##unvote

[BunnyGo]

i will be able to post a little around 5

if i need to, will self-pres at that time and take other measures necessary

What does that say to you?

You’ve been slow on the uptake…which is scummy!damo. So tell me what you think I’m thinking about that post now.

[BunnyGo]

##unvote

Why?!

[ghug]

The first is that you seem confident Chaqa is town, the second is that you implied the mafia were apathetic about D2 EOD, which would apply to Chaqa.

I can see general apathy and also specifically think that Chaqa is town. I find people who were here and didn't actually seem invested in affecting the outcome more suspicious than those who were simply absent, and there's a meta history of Chaqa being more invested as scum.

I don't know if I buy this.

Ghug knows that I don't really have a meta. This kinda feels like he's setting up his options to either pocket me or have a "ah gee willikers I guess we'll have to kill Chaqa" moment

I think you're good at manipulating your meta but I don't think you don't have one. This is the sort of thing that very few people other than me would townread, so I don't know why you'd do it as scum to trick me.

[ghug]

But before Bona posted that couldn't Jamie have see Target X (not Sweet) being visited by Bona?

if he visited me n1, he would have seen me visiting myself, thereby showing that i am doc. therefore this is impossible

So, you didn't visit yourself N1?

I'm assuming if he's the real doc he lied about his visits to wifim scum and if he's the fake doc he's pretending to do that. An easily disprovable best-effort fakeclaim and Jamie seeing bona visit himself and scumreading him are both comically unlikely.

[ghug]

This was posted 7 hours before EOD.

Bona ain't scum.

Can you explain why?

This is out of date. Read on.

I feel like this whole chain from damo was a townslip.

[ghug]

Vig could shoot Bona.

Ok… some mech talk.

I dunno what the vig is planning, but let’s give them some advice:

It’s currently 9-3. That means we have 3 miskills left.

If vig hits one of each, that doesn’t change things.

If they hit 2 scum, we’re in much better place.

But it’s the remaining case that’s interesting:

If they shoot today and tomorrow, and hit town twice and we vote town twice, we don’t lose! It’s like we have 4 miskills by squeezing it into 2 days!

One option is for them to just shoot. But they haven’t yet, so maybe they’re waiting for something.

One option is for them to give it back to town and just shorten each day to 24 hours. Shoot the leading wagon at the halfway point tomorrow.

Thoughts?

Oh, and to be clear, vig need not and should not claim.

I like the latter option but we've historically never been able to make it happen.

[BunnyGo]

if he visited me n1, he would have seen me visiting myself, thereby showing that i am doc. therefore this is impossible

So, you didn't visit yourself N1?

I'm assuming if he's the real doc he lied about his visits to wifim scum and if he's the fake doc he's pretending to do that. An easily disprovable best-effort fakeclaim and Jamie seeing bona visit himself and scumreading him are both comically unlikely.

Him doubling down in it when called out is panic fakeclaim, not doc misleading. Doc would have just said “not telling you my night 2, but here’s my night 1”

[BunnyGo]

Can you explain why?

This is out of date. Read on.

I feel like this whole chain from damo was a townslip.

Why? I’m too far my damo scum tunnel to see it.