M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[bozotheclown]

##Vote Sweetandcool

I smell bullshit...

Strange progression by Jamiet here.

His initial response to Sweet and cool is "WHY U FAKECLAIM"

His second response is meme'ing.

Then people start being suspicious over sweetandcool and suddenly jamiet is voting there?

Ive known jamiet to be many a thing, but being a sheep is not one of them.

Resolute judgement jamiet-style, this is not

##vote jamiet

Vecna's reason for voting for Jamie seem OK, but he does not follow up on it and several times tries to get someone to start a foodcoats wagon while still voting for Jamie.

[bozotheclown]

Ok then…

##vote food

Or Jamie…

BunnyGo tries to start a foodcoats wagon also (while still potentially distancing from Jamie).

[bozotheclown]

Apparently questioning Sweet, even in jest, makes Bunny and Worcej immediately chainsaw me.

That's interesting.

well now IM questioning you for doing it in JEST??? Sweet did a seriously sus thing here and you are walking it back already not a good look

I just looked up cc and that means counterclaim no counterclaims took place so what are you talking about

In general it is a bad idea to vote for a claimed PR where there is no CC.

I was doing this.

Jamie posted this was a bad idea.

Then Jamie did it too.

That is all.

The thing you dont understand is that we dont even need a CC here then. Sweet will be DISCOVERED N1 and we can off him D2 if he proves out to be a fake. It doesnt make SENSE that you are on his wagon right now and you need to get OFF. All three of you on his wagon right now look super sus

You are simply hardclaiming liar. Super.

He has already hardclaimed a previous role, so he cannot hardclaim another.

##Vote Sweet
##End

We will get Food later, I guess.

NO havent you ready my arguments on this yet? You CANT vote for sweet he is claiming something that is EASILY deducable after D1. Why would YOU vote for food and then do the exact same thing food is doing that made me think he is scum in the first place??

Ah I see theres a foodcoats wagon.

Excellent

##vote foodcoats

I think I specifically mentioned why I am voting for food and I specifically mentioned that I wanted to know why YOU found food scummy, you did it from basically the JUMP. >Why?<

Flavius was wrong about foodcoats, but he pointed out a number of questionable things in real time D1, including these things from Jamie, BunnyGo, Chaqa, and Vecna.

It is possible Flavius was distancing from some of these while pushing a mis-kill of foodcoats, but I don't think that is what was going on.

[bozotheclown]

Ok I'm caught up.

Damo is town.
Flavius is town.
Brainbomb is highly suspect.
Sweetandcool is being wacky but hasn't actually read the game.

I think it's interesting that you are insisting something absolutely harmless is somehow "bad for Town". I respect the intellect of the players, so consequently I can only assume my play is not bad for Town.

"absolutely harmless" you made the WHOLE day about you. That ISNT harmless

Flav gets my towncore nod

What flavius is doing is just like will scum game.

He takes outdated posts and pretends he doesnt know there are new details to talk about.

He finds random posts and then filters them through a few times to paint a new narrative of peoples statements.

Hes out here paperboying the game with fluff, challenging people on dead knowledge, and using big capitalized words to try to look stern, determined and forceful.

The thing I find interesting is Jamie doesnt seem to call out the never ending gaffes spewing out of this. So maybe Jamie is also scum with him. Scumteam all high posting since they know lurkers were the focus this game

The two players are nothing alike in playstyle.

I agree he is doing most of these things (id phrase/interpret em differently), but that is his towngame as well. Im not claiming he's locktown or w/e but ive seen nothing that he wasnt doing last game as well.

You aren't adding anything. You aren't making case, giving ideas.

You are HECKLING every person in the game from the BALCONY. You have just served to shade every post in the game.

There is no solving, it's all stirring the pot. All carbs no meat.

I quite strongly disagree with you on this one. I think Flavius has been very productive and driving conversation.

If anyone here is all carbs, it's you.

Jamie, BunnyGo, Vecna, and Chaqa were all potentially pocketing Flavius as well, which is another reason Flavius does not really fit with a scum team consisting of one or more of these players.

[bozotheclown]

02. FlaviusAetius null
03. Jamiet99uk null
04. sweetandcool town
05. DiplomacyAndwarfare null
06. lfischl town
07. President Eden null
08. KingofthePirates town
09. Balki null
10. DemonRHK town
11. Hamilton Brian town
12. worcej null
13. bozotheclown null
14. damo666 town
15. Foodcoats town
16. Rdrivera2005 null
17. bunnygo town
18. Vecna town
19. chaqa null

Im towning a scum probably and then the other three maf are in my nulls just dunno which

Green means I agree with you.

Yellow means I'm not so sure. Specifically:
1. What has Vecna done to be townread?
2. Food is talking a lot but I haven't really seen him offer anything unique - he's just facilitating discussion. Is this his usual MO? (Researcher brainbomb on the case?)
3. BunnyGo... he is an enigma to me atm so I will just leave it at that.

Beside pushing the foodcoats as mafia idea, this could also be distancing with Vecna and BunnyGo.

[bozotheclown]

02. FlaviusAetius null
03. Jamiet99uk null
04. sweetandcool town
05. DiplomacyAndwarfare null
06. lfischl town
07. President Eden null
08. KingofthePirates town
09. Balki null
10. DemonRHK town
11. Hamilton Brian town
12. worcej null
13. bozotheclown null
14. damo666 town
15. Foodcoats town
16. Rdrivera2005 null
17. bunnygo town
18. Vecna town
19. chaqa null

Im towning a scum probably and then the other three maf are in my nulls just dunno which

Green means I agree with you.

Yellow means I'm not so sure. Specifically:
1. What has Vecna done to be townread?
2. Food is talking a lot but I haven't really seen him offer anything unique - he's just facilitating discussion. Is this his usual MO? (Researcher brainbomb on the case?)
3. BunnyGo... he is an enigma to me atm so I will just leave it at that.

Town:
brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
FlaviusAetius
Hamilton Brian
Jamiet99uk

Null
Balki Bartokomous
bozotheclown
DemonRHK
DiplomacyandWarfare
kingofthepirates
lfischl
rdrivera2005
sweetandcool
Vecna
worcej

Scumpool
foodcoats
President Eden

There are a number of inconsistencies here, considering these post were only 2.5 hours apart, specifically the changes for BunnyGo, sweetandcool, lfischl, and DemonRHK.

[bozotheclown]

dont forget people;

killing scum d1 this game is really important. it instantly robs scum of one of their kills.

This movement around Food is making me feel good were about to deprive em.

This could have been a reminder to the mafia not to bus any more. Also, the only movement of votes pertaining to foodcoats at that time was BunnyGo changing his vote from foodcoats to DiplomacyandWarfare, but this did not seem to make Vecna suspect BunnyGo was trying to protect foodcoats, based on this:

BB, D&W, Food, HB, Bozo

My current guess is that group contains all 4 scum

Also, the five of us listed were voting for 5 different players at the time of that post, also not consistent with the idea that there was a mafia effort to prevent a foodcoats DK.

[Vecna]

Bozo, youre doing that thing again where you find stuff to fit your narrative of scummy intent.

Ive seen you do this as both town and scum, but much more often as scum.

You dont even consider whether the behaviour can or is also likely to come from town, youre just trying to look for things that can be explained as scummy.

Also, as scum you pretty much always tunnel me.

If youre town; get the fuck out of your silly tunnel, woof-woof up the wrong tree.
If youre scum; boy get some new material

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

[Vecna]

Heres all the points where you seem to miss a ton of nuance (the difference with your last few games where you just quitely observed the gamestate for a long time is very different this game).

Bunnygo being frustrated with Sweet: Very easy to come from any alignment. The sweet play is aggrevating. The thing about assuming it to come from town in that one post? Might actually have a minor point there, but even that is not that odd since im pretty sure a lot of people are towning sweet for his crap. He would also do it as scum obviously, because it would be a wonderfull cover, especially after last game he realized that if he is just ultra scummy all game he is more likely to live.

All the stuff surrounding Flavius: He is playing a near identical style to last game. How are you suddenly trying to claim that everyone that thinks he is town is "pocketing" him? How is that a fair assesment of whether someone is scummy? And regarding brainbombs case; how come youre not wondering about that logic? He is using the argument that because flavius was trying to get recruited, he would also still be playing in his scum meta long after the recruit occured. Brainbomb claims that anyone that does not buy that argument (that someone plays a full game in his scummeta because he wants to be recruited) must be scum defending him.

Youre literally playing like brainbomb where you try to connect all the dots before you've seen a single piece of confirmed information.

This is not how you have been playing the last few games. This is not how I prefer you to play if you are actually town, because its just gonna lead to rediculous collusions that dont help anything. Im worried

[Vecna]

I wanted to go on for longer on a ton more points, but I dont actually think its very usefull, so whatever.

[Vecna]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

if jamiet flips scum, you better realize this townclears me. no way he makes this post if we are teammates

[Vecna]

The thing about this game being ultra-swingy could probably move certain players to play differently than they normally would.

-Balki has been very under the radar and Ive not really seen him try to solve anyone the way he did when I was scum. He's doing the thing I do where he judges and comments, rather than prods and experiments. Plus, he has not called anyone servile to rile them up.

-Chaqa did that very good post, that might have totally fooled me spectacularly. However, if he really had already gotten to the point of having such a good oversight, where was LEADER CHAQA that we have seen in the past when he was super involved. If Chaqa is scum, this will probably be the first time in history he does not N1 me because they probably dont wanna use their 1 NK right now.

-Rdrivera was actually more active and had way more attractive opinions than he normally does. He also seemed to be afraid of getting killed early for some reason, which never ever happens.

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

-Sweet has really used his gimmick as a shield to not really actually interact with the game and solve it. I did really like that big wallpost he did explaining his shit though, but im not sure if its enough.

[Vecna]

He seems markedly less invested in appearing to be invested as opposed to last game imo.

Id say he's more likely to be town here. He's back to not really caring how hes perceived.

I like this post.

I like it and I like that you like it.

would be hilarious if this was just a wholesome scum moment.

Vecna foolishly defends their scum partner, and theyre all giggling together like a bunch of schoolgirls

[Vecna]

I just looked it up he doesnt like foodcoat, I dont like foodcoat either but I want to hear his reasons he cant just say foodcoats is sus and drop off the earth

Foodcoats makes good sharp observations as town that make sense and that I can identify an investigative and inquiring mindset.

He has done nothing like that all game. He's been fluff-posting and being nice to people, and even his game-related posts are not strong at all so far.

As chaqa said, as soon as it became potentially dangerous to scumread Sweet (if youre a scum with allignment information) he suddenly backed off. Nothing changed there with that additional claim from a town pov.

But most importantly; its not about what he's said. Its about what he hasnt said. Anything that rings like towny observation. Foods often quite quick and clear in that regard.

The more I think about it, the more this doesnt make sense.

Chaqa had the same scumreads.

Chaqa loved the reasoning I provided.

Chaqa was being a wagon-bro.

Yet when prompted he kept stating he did not townread me (even before the food flip).

That is so weird.

Its so natural to townread the people that observe the gamestate in a similar way as you do.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

if jamiet flips scum, you better realize this townclears me. no way he makes this post if we are teammates

I am not going to flip scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

This is both tired and inaccurate.

Sadly, I did lose my cool early in the game. Darg actually felt the need to PM me to ask if I was feeling ok. The fact you've already forgotten about that part of the game AND YET you are simultaneously using the whole "Jamie gets angry as town" trope, is annoying and suggests you are forgetting or ignoring things that don't fit your assumptions.

[damo666]

did we really get a 48h night because EoD1 was extended by 15 minutes?

what the actual yuk darg

I’m pretty sure it’s 48h because it’s Freedom Day

Yep, dislodging the Tory yoke.

[Vecna]

I know, I was sorta assuming you to be town after the initial stuff, but seeing how a bunch of my scumreads have flipped town, im scrounging to think of where the reevaluations need to happen.

For you im now wondering whether all the stuff you did after EoD1 was mightily performative or par for the course.

I think the only person im currently actually townreading is DemonRHk and I find that to be an incredibly uncomfortable situation.

[Vecna]

did we really get a 48h night because EoD1 was extended by 15 minutes?

what the actual yuk darg

I’m pretty sure it’s 48h because it’s Freedom Day

Yep, dislodging the Tory yoke.

You guys as a country just seem to have no fucking clue what u actually want anymore as a nation.

Maybe its time to shed your sovereignty and modestly request to become part of the SCOTTISH EMPIRE.