Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[bo_sox48]

Ive read 21 pages of the game now and have notes. I want someone to convince me of a hard truth about another player. Good align or bad.

ND is town

[DreamTrawler]

Ive read 21 pages of the game now and have notes. I want someone to convince me of a hard truth about another player. Good align or bad.

ND is town

Ghug is town

[DreamTrawler]

How do you feel about the fact that so many people are scumreading you?

Completely unbothered. This is pretty normal for games I play in, and it's also part of my playstyle so I don't get night-killed.

This is a really funny question from Dream and if Chaqa flips scum I will be taking a hard look at Dream next.

Chaqa, you don't usually play to the literal minimum requirements, and while I cannot even begin to understand what having an infant at home requires I don't believe for a second that your increased activity is due to anything other than me pushing for your demise. Claiming that you are completely unbothered by it seems rather disingenuous when one can look at your activity before and after I openly stated I was coming after you for making exactly 5 posts and exactly 1 unjustified vote on the first day of the game.

It would be much easier for me to believe that you're town if the people who are voting the one formerly known as worcej or Red or those who voted for a lurker at some point on day 1 were remotely interested in voting for you, but for some completely mysterious (you're mafia) reason, I can never seem to get any tangible momentum going.

Unsure what about my question was suspicious. I just wanted to hear some thoughts from Chaqa while he was here.

[Kakarroto]

Can somebody summarize the fabricated tie you tried to make on D1. I tried to read but it's impossible to read the entire day in one sitting. I read kak's couch potato claim and and end of day messages, I can understand why you would tie it but it seems like there was no consensus for it.
Given Kak's vote was null, Dip's switch near the EoD breaks the tie and makes ND the lead, and only leaving to someone else after ND wagon attracts another player. This is strange behavior especially since himself is the second leading wagon.

at the time I didn't really understand what dip was going for, why I should switch to mimi, and not myself or something, but in retrospect I understand that he wanted me on mimi so it looks like we tied. But I was sure that my vote wasn't shown on the endscreen, so I didn't understand why he wanted me to switch to mimi, because for me it was the same for the total votecount.

But yeah, if it wouldn't have been shown in the endscreen, then, if I switched to mimi and it was looking as if the two wagons were tied, but ND still got yeeted, then it would've been very logical to assume that I was telling the truth, even when it wasn't shown in the endscreen

[Kakarroto]

Mimi or Kaka to disrupt the information flow about the whereabouts of potatoes, or Bozo who was compiling the whereabouts of potatoes.

hmm, usually I'm not a nk target, mafia often thinks I can be misvoted. I guess they thought that mimi is new enough to fall in the same category?

Thinking about it, I was only nk'ed N1 (or rather doused and later set aflame) by brain because of Chaqa, in the game with many cops, because Chaqa thought I would notice that he was mafia that game. Guess it's a slight town point for him that it didn't happen this game? But he could've been overruled.

Anyway, bozo was probably a good target too. Maybe mafia guessed correctly that he would get the safe potato? (ugh, why did my brain automatically imagine a safe made out of potato when I wrote this? That's not a very good safe) Bozo was kinda high on the town list, I think, so maybe mafia didn't want to risk hitting the potato?

I mean, another option would be that bozo is mafia, but I kinda doubt that. I mean, he would probably get much towncred for a phase or two if they hit a teammate that has that potato, but if bozo keeps surviving afterwards, we would notice that pretty fast and just vote him out.

Hmm. Yeah, it is a bit strange, thinking about it, mafia would love to get that potato out of the game as early as possible, no? Like a townclear now is much less valuable than a townclear in the later stages. So avoiding bozo for fear of hitting the potato is kinda a wrong line of thought.

Maybe it was a read of someone that lead to ghug's demise? Or they just thought that ghug was scarier than others? Hmm

On the whole I’ve gotten a pretty fair town vibe from bozo and mimi alike, but this got me thinking about how the mafia team could intelligently, with full knowledge of the potato mechanics, could believe they can afford to fearkill ghug. I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

hmm ... seems like the probability that there is one mafia between mimi and bozo is higher with this. Well they can't be both mafia, that we know at least, or someone absolutely lied about the sweet potato, and is currently silent, just wanting to wait who reacts in which way.

Then again, if both are town, the ghug hit would make sense too, since I doubt that mafia thought that he would get the potato over others tha tlooked more town. Well at least from my perspective looked it like ghug didn't ooze town here. Right?

[Kakarroto]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP
DiplomacyandWarfare: HP, Red Neurax
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP

N1:
bozo: SP, no HPs
bo_sox: ?
BunnyGo: ?
Chaqa: 2 HPs
Control V: ?
damo: 1 HP
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
DreamTrawler: ?
Jamie: 2 HPs
Just: ?
Kakarroto: ?
miminena: ?
rdrivera: no HPs
Red Neurax: ?
worcej: ?
yavuzovic: no HPs

oh, you probably overread it or I made it too much into a joke sentence, but I haven't had a hot potato last night (N1), after I tossed my couch potato to [REDACTED]

[Kakarroto]

Snip

Will - feels like he can change his opinion here on a dime. He early declared a (probably soft) town read for Bunny and me, and after a bit that completely vanished. Other examples of that is all over his game. Sure, it's good to not tunnel and have an open mind, but Will seems to be another extreme from his last game, where his reads looked pretty frozen. I think he very well could've changed his approach from last game so to not fall into the same track.

Red - I don't like how he blocks all information from his reads, that's either unhelpful town or a mafia tactic.

Wow its almost like I’m not mafia

then prove it and throw one potato to a mafia

I do think though your townreads are quite fine. A bit different ordered, like dip higher and mimi lower, but I agree with them mostly. Hmm probably switch RD with Bunny.

Well lets see

[Kakarroto]

Past tense?

Past tense

What changed your mind? Drunk Bunny's charms?

you have to admit, he is quite charming, that drunken Fell-ow

[Kakarroto]

Lets dooooo

##VOTE CONTROL

Wanna see this mf do some more

hmm I kinda like that too

##vote Control V

[Kakarroto]

idk man. i have revealed my suspicions of control v but i don't think there's much to go off on anybody as of right now. for me at least, i don't have a real idea of what a good plan is

I think most of us don't have any plan, we just wing it. The more you let go of some restraints you have, the more natural and intuitive the game becomes. Maybe that's not your style for the game, but going away from having strict thought out plans to just be natural helped my game (at least i think it did)

haven't seen much of paste too, as a new player here (though experienced on other platforms), so how would you go on to have a deeper look? Mine is normally just asking that person, but I think you should do more too if someone is sus to you.

So in that thought of train: @Control V what are your thoughts about Red's suspicion of you? Do you think Red is more likely mafia or town? And, since I can't remember you saying anything in that regard, what are your top town and/or (best and) mafia reads, currently?

More likely mafia off PoE and expecting more wolves to be wolftelling.

I Still trust Bunny with Jamie second place.

Dream is still a wolf and I need to figure out how to yeet them today.

nah, I don'T think that Dream is mafia here. I veto this

Also I am very much wondering if you saying I felt lackluster while not knowing my reads is bad faith. Did you miss my posts entirely?

nah, I noticed you posted, but I felt no impact from them, no whoomp, it's pretty like foodcoats, where I know posts happened, but there was just no impression.

[Kakarroto]

More likely mafia off PoE and expecting more wolves to be wolftelling.

I Still trust Bunny with Jamie second place.

Dream is still a wolf and I need to figure out how to yeet them today.

Also I am very much wondering if you saying I felt lackluster while not knowing my reads is bad faith. Did you miss my posts entirely?

Kaka is in wolfchat with Dream and wondered why I didn't potato Dream.

sometimes I talk to myself and it feels as weird as this exchange

[Kakarroto]

Hi yall, will be online momentarily

How did you post this if you weren't online? By fax?

pigeons carrying the message inside coconuts to protect the paper from the weather

[Kakarroto]

Also I am very much wondering if you saying I felt lackluster while not knowing my reads is bad faith. Did you miss my posts entirely?

Kaka is in wolfchat with Dream and wondered why I didn't potato Dream.

This is probably not possible unfortunately I don't see any indication in Dream's posts of not receiving the potato back.

dang, the self quoting continues. Am I interrupting something?

[Kakarroto]

Schoolgoat

Flowcv.com

Wouldnt vote

Mimi
Jamie
Dip
Bunny

Likely wouldn’t vote unless alternative is terrible
Bo
Rdr

Meh
Kak
Yavu
Dream
Damo

Would vote
Neurax
Control
Worcej
Chaqa

what about bozo?

ohh, good catch! I was focussed on comparing townreads, but that omission slipped my mind

[Kakarroto]

Who is that man in Sparty’s pfp

Dan Quayle, George HW Bush's vice president. Famous for many gaffes, including correcting a child's spelling of "potato" to "potatoe."

iirc dan quayle is the lowest rank in civ iv's post-game scoring system

another civ player? should we get a multiplayer game going?

if so, which version? (I don't own 7 and will not for a long time)

[Kakarroto]

I don’t really have any yet. I have a few good townreads though, specifically Jamie and Bozo

How do you feel about the fact that so many people are scumreading you?

Completely unbothered. This is pretty normal for games I play in, and it's also part of my playstyle so I don't get night-killed.

famous last words before a potato disaster

[Kakarroto]

I didn't have any potato on D1 and N1.

I like the three current wagons, Red have been avoiding giving opinions educational is scummy. And Chaqa and Worcej didn't made anything to get a townread which they usually do as town.

I would add Control and Yav to my vote list for today.

##vote Yav

Why Yav of all those people?

This is the third time rdrivera has shown up, voted someone with minimal explanation, and then dipped. Feels sus.

##vote rdrivera2005

don't think it'S RD. That behaviour is pretty normal for him, so that's very NAI

[Kakarroto]

GM POST

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Thanks brainbomb!

ohh, interesting!

Heya brainbomb o/

[Kakarroto]

Ive read 21 pages of the game now and have notes. I want someone to convince me of a hard truth about another player. Good align or bad.

I'm pretty sure dip is town. He is chaoticly chaotic, I don't see any maliciousness from him, it's much more comparable to a struggle of a headless chicken, which I mean not in any bad sense, but like, someone who has no agenda and no plan, not even a map of the current area, and tries to figure stuff out or what sticks

[Kakarroto]

Ive read 21 pages of the game now and have notes. I want someone to convince me of a hard truth about another player. Good align or bad.

ND is town

Ive read 21 pages of the game now and have notes. I want someone to convince me of a hard truth about another player. Good align or bad.

ND is town

Ghug is town