M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Foxcastle]

Alternate theory: worcej is actually scum, was afraid that he was caught D1, and they've decided to keep him turned up to a 9 to distract Balki. Unfortunately, the NK means this theory is probably false, as they'd have wanted to keep BB around to also keep Jamiet from being useful.

[worcej]

Alternate theory: worcej is actually scum, was afraid that he was caught D1, and they've decided to keep him turned up to a 9 to distract Balki. Unfortunately, the NK means this theory is probably false, as they'd have wanted to keep BB around to also keep Jamiet from being useful.

Why would those two situations (me being distracting and BB being distracting) be mutually inclusive?

I know this is a weird argument for me to make, but I am curious on how those can only exist together.

[kgray]

In fact, with a gun to my forehead now, I would say you are scum Balki because you come off as hunting when you are actually just poking holes in other player's explanations.

@worcej do you think Balki is doing this to multiple people in this game, or just you? Are there any other reasons you think he's scum?

[Foxcastle]

I cannot change your opinion of my persona because I refuse to change who I am. In fact, I've been scummed for being 'different' in previous games.

The only person I am being bile towards is Balki, for very valid reasons from my perspective. I didn't even scratch the surface of my 'persona' when it came to you.

Fair response - as we had a moment on D1, let's continue to not focus on how we don't necessarily like each other's approach.

Why do you think BB was hit Fox?

It's an odd choice, to be sure. I think a lot of scum teams let BB run loose because even if he's onto them, he has a hard time getting others to follow. (And he's good for keeping Jamiet distracted, rather than actually scumhunting, and before anyone retorts that Jamiet isn't that good, Jamiet does actually scum hunt and move the game.)

They possibly thought suspected he was a PR. I doubt they found crumbs, because I doubt BB left them. But maybe they thought he was acting differently (which he is from his prior meta) and that was the clue they latched onto; but this is in-line with the last game he played, so that points to the scum team being experienced enough to recognize that a change in behavior like that could indicate a PR, but also indicates that they haven't been around for the last game or three to experience the new BB.

[Foxcastle]

Alternate theory: worcej is actually scum, was afraid that he was caught D1, and they've decided to keep him turned up to a 9 to distract Balki. Unfortunately, the NK means this theory is probably false, as they'd have wanted to keep BB around to also keep Jamiet from being useful.

Why would those two situations (me being distracting and BB being distracting) be mutually inclusive?

I know this is a weird argument for me to make, but I am curious on how those can only exist together.

Because it began with the assumption that your scum-purpose was to cause distractions, so it does not make sense that the NK would run counter to that by eliminating a source of distraction.

[Nephthys]

**GM NOTE

Brainbomb is now a Co-GM

Many thanks for him being a legend

[worcej]

In fact, with a gun to my forehead now, I would say you are scum Balki because you come off as hunting when you are actually just poking holes in other player's explanations.

@worcej do you think Balki is doing this to multiple people in this game, or just you? Are there any other reasons you think he's scum?

Yes I do - I think he did it intently on D1. Notably, he riled up Bunny, Jamie, and myself through various methods that got a rise out of each individual.

As Fox has mentioned when discussing me, if you think about it, getting the three of us roused up creates a lot of noise and drowns the game out a bit. BB also mentioned this near his demise.

Another reason I think he is scummy is how he handled his involvement with Tem. He was also pretty heavy handed in leaning into Tem with questions. At face value, it's a pretty good post:

It's time for me to reveal my cards.

I've played as scum on this site way too many times to still be crumbling under pressure. And in my games as scum my collapse is usually around D3/D4 after successfully lurking and appearing town early game.

Of course, as it's the school holidays for me , I got bored and just wanted to try something out, to try and sniff out scum by faking noobscum and seeing everyone's reactions. Guess what?

4 voted for me at some point, with brain giving the most sketchy reasoning of all. Most ended up focusing more on other targets, so the experiment didn't, really, work there. That said, worcej applied good pressure. Bunny and Flum I actually think are town, and emc, where have you gone? Oh, and we have wayyy too many VT claims at this point too.

##vote brainbomb

Can you explain more about your thinking with this experiment? The idea was that you would purposefully act like you think scum acts. So, wouldn't it be a towntell if someone votes for you? They would be voting for someone who is actively trying to look like scum. Did you begin the game planning to do this, or did it sort of evolve out of your early play? When did you begin?

I see that you call out brainbomb specifically for having "sketchy reasons." What were brainbombs reasons and why were they sketchy?

What was the point of the exercise? What did you expect to happen?

When you conducted this experiment, what exactly did you intend to do in order to appear scummy?

Also, what does this mean: "Most ended up focusing more on other targets, so the experiment didn't, really, work there" Why does people focusing on other targets mean that your experiment did not work? Did you expect everyone to focus on you? If people are focusing on other targets when you are actively trying to look like scum, does that tell you/us anything?

He doesn't get a response, but 30 minutes later just does this:

##vote Temasek

#sheepingflum

It just strikes me as odd personally. He made such an attempt to 'understand' Tem and made a judgement with a joke reasoning. He never really indicated he thought Tem was actually scum, but when I made my post about thinking Tem was town (when he was the leading wagon) he latched onto me rather quickly. Assuming he is scum, and knowing I am town, I would assume he had no cares in the world since the top 2 wagons were town and either would be a good result for him.

[worcej]

Fair response - as we had a moment on D1, let's continue to not focus on how we don't necessarily like each other's approach.

Why do you think BB was hit Fox?

It's an odd choice, to be sure. I think a lot of scum teams let BB run loose because even if he's onto them, he has a hard time getting others to follow. (And he's good for keeping Jamiet distracted, rather than actually scumhunting, and before anyone retorts that Jamiet isn't that good, Jamiet does actually scum hunt and move the game.)

They possibly thought suspected he was a PR. I doubt they found crumbs, because I doubt BB left them. But maybe they thought he was acting differently (which he is from his prior meta) and that was the clue they latched onto; but this is in-line with the last game he played, so that points to the scum team being experienced enough to recognize that a change in behavior like that could indicate a PR, but also indicates that they haven't been around for the last game or three to experience the new BB.

Interesting theory with the underlined bits. You seem to be pinpointing down to a select few people. Of those players, does one particularly stick out to you?

[Balki Bartokomous]

If I’m being totally honest, I would be overjoyed to be mislynched today by you lot for “riling everyone up.” I might regret some of the things I would say about you all in the God thread, but it would feel good at the time.

[xorxes]

They possibly thought suspected he was a PR. I doubt they found crumbs, because I doubt BB left them. But maybe they thought he was acting differently (which he is from his prior meta) and that was the clue they latched onto; but this is in-line with the last game he played, so that points to the scum team being experienced enough to recognize that a change in behavior like that could indicate a PR, but also indicates that they haven't been around for the last game or three to experience the new BB.

Interesting theory with the underlined bits. You seem to be pinpointing down to a select few people. Of those players, does one particularly stick out to you?

I think that description fits Balki, bo_sox and Flun. I can easily see any of them as scum. You probably have Balki in mind, but I think he is the least likely of those because of the "claim", which doesn't mean he couldn't do it as scum but is more likely as town.

[xorxes]

##Vote EMC

I also just realized how little xorxes has done so far.

Why did you just realize that? You were not paying attention to me before, or is it something else?

[worcej]

If I’m being totally honest, I would be overjoyed to be mislynched today by you lot for “riling everyone up.” I might regret some of the things I would say about you all in the God thread, but it would feel good at the time.

And apparently I was emotionally manipulating people?

Do you disagree that you were stirring up Bunny and Jaime?

[xorxes]

Do we have a replacement for solit?

Xorxes, why do you think brainbomb was nightkilled?

It really is a weird choice, I don't remember any game when brain was NKd before becoming a clear. It usually doesn't help a lot to speculate on reasons for the NK because they get wifomy very quickly. The obvious one would be if he crumbed something, which I haven't noticed, but I will be reareading him. Maybe he had good reads, or maybe he had bad reads and they want us to think he had good reads. Or maybe the scumteam is all inexperienced players, or they want us to think they are all inexperienced players, or... I don't really think this line of investigation is all that useful.

[Chaqa]

##Vote xorxes

I could see an experienced scum team killing brain, both for removing a town leader and a high-volume poster, as well as due to his meta shift.

I suspect that at least 2 scum team members are in: xorxes, Vecna, Fluminator, Balki.

I also think Fox is scum, worcej is town.

Jamiet seems town so far. Damo too.

Bunny is impossible for me to read.

EMC and Bo are the worst.

Anyone else hasn't left an impact on me yet.

[Fluminator]

Yet you voted Bozo at EOD1?
Surely he made an impact on you?

[kgray]

As Fox has mentioned when discussing me, if you think about it, getting the three of us roused up creates a lot of noise and drowns the game out a bit. BB also mentioned this near his demise.

Do you think there are any particular conversations that have been drowned out by the noise? If Balki is intentionally creating drama, what is he covering up? And why do you think his interrogation tactic is more likely used by scum than by town trying to figure out alignments? Do you really think it's all just "noise" and we can't learn anything from those interactions?

[BunnyGo]

Do we have a replacement for solit?

Xorxes, why do you think brainbomb was nightkilled?

It really is a weird choice, I don't remember any game when brain was NKd before becoming a clear. It usually doesn't help a lot to speculate on reasons for the NK because they get wifomy very quickly. The obvious one would be if he crumbed something, which I haven't noticed, but I will be reareading him. Maybe he had good reads, or maybe he had bad reads and they want us to think he had good reads. Or maybe the scumteam is all inexperienced players, or they want us to think they are all inexperienced players, or... I don't really think this line of investigation is all that useful.

This is some bullshit. Just because it’s WIFOMy, we shouldn’t even discuss?

[Fluminator]

##Vote EMC

I also just realized how little xorxes has done so far.

Why did you just realize that? You were not paying attention to me before, or is it something else?

I wasn't paying much attention to you day 1.

[Fluminator]

Do we have a replacement for solit?

Xorxes, why do you think brainbomb was nightkilled?

It really is a weird choice, I don't remember any game when brain was NKd before becoming a clear. It usually doesn't help a lot to speculate on reasons for the NK because they get wifomy very quickly. The obvious one would be if he crumbed something, which I haven't noticed, but I will be reareading him. Maybe he had good reads, or maybe he had bad reads and they want us to think he had good reads. Or maybe the scumteam is all inexperienced players, or they want us to think they are all inexperienced players, or... I don't really think this line of investigation is all that useful.

This is some bullshit. Just because it’s WIFOMy, we shouldn’t even discuss?

It is wifomy, but Night Kill Analysis is super underrated in like all forums lol.

I didn't notice any crumbs either. I think him being a PR might just be unfortunate coincidence.

[BunnyGo]

If someone can do an iso on Brainbomb I’d appreciate it. I’m with kids on phone for another 4 hours. And will probably be dead tired then. So I can’t get to it for a while.