WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[FlaviusAetius]

That was a real big run to get yoyo off the block.

I get the argument to kill yoyo was bunk and loose with the read, but to lead on over to Haze...meh.

Yoyo switched off to HAZE instead of Bunny
Bunny switched off of Yoyo to HAZE
Damo switched off of Yoyo to Haze

Bunny could be said self-preservation reasons, but that certainly wasn't made clear
Damo does sus stuff all the time I need more than just EoD shennanigans
Yoyo has yet to explain why he didnt vote for Bunny...

I *FOLLOWED* damo back to Haze.

I'd been having doubts about Haze being scum and tried for yoyo and you instead.

But I did vote Haze because I was the only other viable wagon at that point; when nobody was around to vote at EOD.

Here is the problem with this statement, if you had DOUBTS about Haze you never not once expressed it and throughout D1 consistently viewed him as scummy. This is post Haze flipping town rationalizations

[FlaviusAetius]

PoE. I tried for Flav in the end. So this is a slight misrepresentation by you.

You do realize, it was just damo, me you and yoyo on at EoD and yoyo came late . X to doubt yoyo would vote for me after I spent significant time trying to defend him. That wasnt a serious wagon and you know it

I did not know who would show up; there's usually a bunch of people showing up in the last 5 minutes. And speedwagons happen regularly.

Half baked effort at best

[FlaviusAetius]

Dip really leans hard into the belief that Haze is mafia.
I understand getting the worm in the brain, even when it's wrong.

He was wrong about Jamie too.

Which is why i am willing to give Dip some latitude today.

I think anyone that Jamie ruffled or vice versa, I don’t think I’ll consider them today. Yoyo, Dip, bunny, Damo.

I am thinking mafia made that kill to implicate any of that group. I am looking elsewhere to vote today.

OR they made the kill to stave Jamie off of correct reads, it could cut either way

[FlaviusAetius]

King, why would people that Jamie was negatively interacting with kill him? Doesn’t that lead us right to mafia?

Do they want a clear trail to themselves?

Because people ALWAYS think the NK is someone the mafia is trying to confuse [/b ] us with, instead of just looking at the reality, a lot of times mafia just want one less vote on themselves

[FlaviusAetius]

woops didnt mean to bold that whole thing

[FlaviusAetius]

btw @ghug I AM trying to lessen the amount of stuff I bold just saying

[FlaviusAetius]

I’d be keen on wagons of King, Flavius, ghug, chaqa, and will today.

Why king? I townread him rn

[FlaviusAetius]

And King, you originally voted Flavius for being absent and to “turn up the heat” then when Flavius appears they’re the one you ask about reads. Why no one else?

I felt almost everyone else had some kind of read(s), expressed through a vote. only you and flavius hadn't voted, and I felt you clearly had some reads/opinions (expressed very obviously). maybe its just my reading comprehension and missing things but imo flavius's reads were not nearly as obvious as some of yours (if you want an example, you "kind-of" town'd jamie)

Whenever someone asked me for townreads I said it, I dont usually inclue summarizatin posts of my own unless someone asks for it specifically , which they usually do

[FlaviusAetius]

My reads haven't evolved terribly. Ham is town. Dip/Flav feel like town. I 100% would have killed Flav last night to stop the bolding, so I'm town unless he's my teammate. My heart is telling me that damo is town, so I'd like to give him another day despite his questionable voting. Yoyo should probably be avoided for bet reasons. Anyone else is fair game.

Im not so sure about your read on Dip. He was scumread D1 , and comes in D2 with some mech analysis and big post, could just be trying to get the heat off himself. I dont think townreading/scumreading people for ONE post is such a great idea.

[FlaviusAetius]

People that didn't sniff EOD include Haze (RIP), ghug, Will, Dip, Chaqa, and King.

King, I can understand with the time differenced; are they in Australia?

Is there scum in one of ghug, will, dip, chaqa? Content to put a vote anywhere seeing as town will generally miskill on D1?

I could see a mafia being in ghug OR Chaqa I have determined probably not BOTH

Definitely both because you have 100% confidence Bunny is scum?

OBV not 100% confidence BUT even in the case that Bunny flips town I still dnt think you two are mafia together , you worked together too much

[FlaviusAetius]

That was calculated and explicable.

Every game I've played with damo so far he's always done something CRAZY and turned up town. Maybe he'll turn up scum this time around but no way hosay am I voting damo for his ONE crazy thing.

To be clear, is not that he did something crazy and confusing, it's that usually I buyv that he believes his justifications for the craziness. His mind works strangely but he usually gives me enough to follow his thought processes.

When he's scum, he'll often make very bold scum-motivated moves in the moment and then try to invent justification for them later.

The switch off Yoyo feels like the latter, but I'm also feeling the former in everything else he's saying.

Disagree ANYTIME damo makes one of his crazy actions I dont understand his reasonings hence why they are crazy

[FlaviusAetius]

Damo-yoyo is probably the most likely yoyo pairing.
The Bunny wagon still seems a bit questionable and potentially maf-driven.

Damo and yoyo never voted for Bunny so thats just a big fat contradiction right there

Good spot. @Dip can you explain this sloppy thinking?

bump

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

First order of business:
My analysis of mech (which I have not yet shared) suggests postcount bets are likely, along with vote bets
its also likely that, if the Gambler succeeded, they chose to set a limit of 0 posts (except 1 vote post)
lets see if the gambler postcapped anyone
EVERYONE PLEASE POST AT LEAST ONCE
this seems like a good step to take and has no real disadvantage
IF YOU HAVE BEEN 0-POSTCAPPED DO NOT POST AND SAVE YOUR VOTE

Second order of business:
way too many people were posting scumreads of yoyo during the night. A maf bet on either votes on yoyo or on yoyo being maf is extremely likely and therefore voting yoyo is a bad idea
(I realize this is probably going to make it look like me and yoyo are paired especially after jamie implied that suspicion. I don't care.)

Third order of business:
Can someone please explain the Bunny wagon from yesterday to me?

Fourth order of business:
I recommend pairs of people "swap" their votes by voting for each other's votes at EoD, to make bets on people's votes fail.

I DISAGREE, if Gambler fails on anything BUT the identity of the DK target and the postcount, THEN they reveal themselves or die . IMO this is going to be a game filled with DK's and few NK's.

I'll explain the case on Bunny SOON. I think people went all over the place with scumreads last night so I think its going to be pretty hard to say who the mafia decided would be the DK or not . We should play as normal.

I dont understand your 4th proposal

I'm waiting...
And please give me something other than the thing about sheeping me/not sheeping me and vibes/not vibes for voting reasons.

4th proposal was more of a rough idea at best and it really isn't likely to work out.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Yoyo switched off to HAZE instead of Bunny
Bunny switched off of Yoyo to HAZE
Damo switched off of Yoyo to Haze

Bunny could be said self-preservation reasons, but that certainly wasn't made clear
Damo does sus stuff all the time I need more than just EoD shennanigans
Yoyo has yet to explain why he didnt vote for Bunny...

I *FOLLOWED* damo back to Haze.

I'd been having doubts about Haze being scum and tried for yoyo and you instead.

But I did vote Haze because I was the only other viable wagon at that point; when nobody was around to vote at EOD.

Here is the problem with this statement, if you had DOUBTS about Haze you never not once expressed it and throughout D1 consistently viewed him as scummy. This is post Haze flipping town rationalizations

I actually think this is pretty scummy from Bunny too. Haze was scummy and voting him isn't something to be overly ashamed of. Bunny acts a lot like a mafia trying to flee culpability for the Haze kill.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

My reads haven't evolved terribly. Ham is town. Dip/Flav feel like town. I 100% would have killed Flav last night to stop the bolding, so I'm town unless he's my teammate. My heart is telling me that damo is town, so I'd like to give him another day despite his questionable voting. Yoyo should probably be avoided for bet reasons. Anyone else is fair game.

Im not so sure about your read on Dip. He was scumread D1 , and comes in D2 with some mech analysis and big post, could just be trying to get the heat off himself. I dont think townreading/scumreading people for ONE post is such a great idea.

I wasn't severely scumread and only had a few votes on me total that day. You were more scumread than I was d1.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Damo and yoyo never voted for Bunny so thats just a big fat contradiction right there

Good spot. @Dip can you explain this sloppy thinking?

bump

Already did somewhere. Basically, I was replying to someone who had mentioned both a damo-yoyo pairing and the bunny wagon.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

##vote chaqa again
still need to see more from this

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

@Chaqa @yoyo @Will @damo
stop lurking

[sweetandcool]

Official Vote Count 2.0

Chaqa (3) ghug, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare
damo666 (2) JustAGuyNamedWill, Yoyoyozo
ghug (1) BunnyGo
BunnyGo (1) FlaviusAetius
Unvote (1) damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Hamilton Brian

Chaqa still needs to vote. Chaqa is also currently set to die.

26 hours left of phase.

[Hamilton Brian]

I responded to yoyo's appeal instinctively and then was just trying to avoid a tie.

That's funny because your timing wasn't in that critical condition; there was time to assess.

You originally stated that you believed there was scum in the 3 wagons of Haze, Will, and Flavius. What do you believe now?

You actually addressed voting Haze and yoyo both in your "reads" post, so good for you for sticking to it, I guess. However there was no indication about "why" for either one. Why not?

Your votes came without qualification, as though you weren't convinced about either one.

This, for example
I am frustrated because both you and jamie have been passive-aggressively criticizing everyone.
I get that you're trying to find scum, but you're doing it in a way that isn't cooperative at all.

Someone else chime in here if my communication style is as Dip is presenting it.

I feel like I am being gaslit here.

You can't have it both ways Dip.

What motivation do you have to declare me scum BUT AT THE SAME TIME hunting scum?

How does that even make sense?

What is your motivation?