M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[summit_fever]

any thoughts on brainbomb's analysis marche?

[summit_fever]

Do you still think kgray is scummy?

[TheMarche]

any thoughts on brainbomb's analysis marche?

I just read it, i'll think about it soon lol

[brainbomb]

dont be afraid of me marche.
wait til you see what the people here think of me when I start doing all sorts of toxic anti town crap and turn the whole table upside down against me.

im not really scary

luckily you are caught red handed. so that makes this pleasant and fun

[TheMarche]

8) Foxcastle seems scum to me as well. I don't know why but his posts mostly confuse me, and in my notes I only found few relevants things about him, meaning that 1-I am stupid (which is probably true) or 2-he is filling his posts with words that mean nothing. For the moment, ##VOTE Foxcastle. I'll probably change my mind, but this is my guess for the moment.

This Marche guys posts all keep saying hes reading and catching up. finally we get a reads list. and his reads conclude with this as his scumread.

At the top of the post he says hes read every post of the game twice.

I think we have a sneaky liar on our hands lads

I truly read every post twice. My attention fell a bit on the last ones, but i wrote down almost everything significant I could find. You forget I had 22 pages of posts written while i was asleep. I am not native English speaker, so I may have misread Fox's last posts, but i get this sounds fake so you're allowed not to trust me.

probably i'm missing A LOT of useful information

Chaqua's role sounds strange... probably it's better not to vote him in the first days

You forgot to add that I said that if scum doesn't kill him, we should. I do not trust chaqa. In my opinion, karma related roles are activated later, therefore they should be more powerful. So scum would want to kill chaqa. If scum doesn't, then chaqa probably is scum.

I need to read again the posts, it may be really helpful and change my mind.

Not that i am an expert anyway. But I don't think a new player's town messages would sound like this.

Don't worry, it's still my first impression. I need to read again everything to confirm my opinions

Is it common in these games to have the mafia chat opened later? I never played like that, but if it's not a common thing we can go and lynch brainbomb

In the first two posts I still had not read everything twice. I did it later.
And i never played with scum chat opened later, if I was scum I probably would have asked worcej and not you "why do i not know who my fellows are?". There would be no reason for me to expose myself asking tis westion as scum.

I definitely should find another half an hour to write down who accused who to try to see what happens in the second day.

Here he assumes hes at no risk of N1 kill

Nobody was scumreading me nor townreading me. There are way more evident townreads, such as you and Vecna. I didn't think a lot about that actually, but i thought that even if scum thinks i managed to express my being town, they may have killed someone else.

Mathematician's habit, i need to gather all the data before having a full view and express my opinion on everything.

Anytime even the slightest question is asked about his reasoning he falls back to saying he needs to reread and wants to be perfect.

That's because I do. I read everything before answering. Mostly because if i have such a lot data to understand, i need to find what's useful. But this is a habit, independent on being scum or town. I do it everytime i need to answer about something.

Chaqa's game looks strange. He didn't write much, and his role sounds suspicious to me. As i said earlier, he may be a town power role or scum. This makes me think we shouldn't kill him and wait to see what scum does. Anyway to me he looks more scum than towny.

finds chaqa scum but advocates letting him live to see what he does

Answered above.

I don't know much about the other players. But at the moment, from the first game dynamics, Kgray seemed to me a bit scummish, but I still haven't thought a lot about that.

What is this? like seriously how did no one question this????

I didn't say i have a strong scumread on him. I just read what I wrote down and i didn't think he was strong scum. Just a little scummish. But I don't know how he plays in other games. Even a person that does a lot lf questions can be scum. I didn't think he was scummish because of how he wrote (because i have no previous data). I thought it based on what he wrote.

From what you wrote previously, it seems to me too early to have a guess on what Sarah or Nephthys are. I wouldn't vote them until i get more information.

Its too early to have an opinion on sarah or neph, because no one else has an opinion yet

And how does this make me scum?

[TheMarche]

8) Foxcastle seems scum to me as well. I don't know why but his posts mostly confuse me, and in my notes I only found few relevants things about him, meaning that 1-I am stupid (which is probably true) or 2-he is filling his posts with words that mean nothing. For the moment, ##VOTE Foxcastle. I'll probably change my mind, but this is my guess for the moment.

This Marche guys posts all keep saying hes reading and catching up. finally we get a reads list. and his reads conclude with this as his scumread.

At the top of the post he says hes read every post of the game twice.

I think we have a sneaky liar on our hands lads

I truly read every post twice. My attention fell a bit on the last ones, but i wrote down almost everything significant I could find. You forget I had 22 pages of posts written while i was asleep. I am not native English speaker, so I may have misread Fox's last posts, but i get this sounds fake so you're allowed not to trust me.

probably i'm missing A LOT of useful information

Chaqua's role sounds strange... probably it's better not to vote him in the first days

You forgot to add that I said that if scum doesn't kill him, we should. I do not trust chaqa. In my opinion, karma related roles are activated later, therefore they should be more powerful. So scum would want to kill chaqa. If scum doesn't, then chaqa probably is scum.

I need to read again the posts, it may be really helpful and change my mind.

Not that i am an expert anyway. But I don't think a new player's town messages would sound like this.

Don't worry, it's still my first impression. I need to read again everything to confirm my opinions

Is it common in these games to have the mafia chat opened later? I never played like that, but if it's not a common thing we can go and lynch brainbomb

In the first two posts I still had not read everything twice. I did it later.
And i never played with scum chat opened later, if I was scum I probably would have asked worcej and not you "why do i not know who my fellows are?". There would be no reason for me to expose myself asking tis westion as scum.

I definitely should find another half an hour to write down who accused who to try to see what happens in the second day.

Here he assumes hes at no risk of N1 kill

Nobody was scumreading me nor townreading me. There are way more evident townreads, such as you and Vecna. I didn't think a lot about that actually, but i thought that even if scum thinks i managed to express my being town, they may have killed someone else.

Mathematician's habit, i need to gather all the data before having a full view and express my opinion on everything.

Anytime even the slightest question is asked about his reasoning he falls back to saying he needs to reread and wants to be perfect.

That's because I do. I read everything before answering. Mostly because if i have such a lot data to understand, i need to find what's useful. But this is a habit, independent on being scum or town. I do it everytime i need to answer about something.

Chaqa's game looks strange. He didn't write much, and his role sounds suspicious to me. As i said earlier, he may be a town power role or scum. This makes me think we shouldn't kill him and wait to see what scum does. Anyway to me he looks more scum than towny.

finds chaqa scum but advocates letting him live to see what he does

Answered above.

I don't know much about the other players. But at the moment, from the first game dynamics, Kgray seemed to me a bit scummish, but I still haven't thought a lot about that.

What is this? like seriously how did no one question this????

I didn't say i have a strong scumread on him. I just read what I wrote down and i didn't think he was strong scum. Just a little scummish. But I don't know how he plays in other games. Even a person that does a lot lf questions can be scum. I didn't think he was scummish because of how he wrote (because i have no previous data). I thought it based on what he wrote.

From what you wrote previously, it seems to me too early to have a guess on what Sarah or Nephthys are. I wouldn't vote them until i get more information.

Its too early to have an opinion on sarah or neph, because no one else has an opinion yet

And how does this make me scum?

[TheMarche]

I surely will. I'm still trying to have a better comprehension on how others play to understand what they might think or how they act. This is why I want to write down all the information I can. Mathematician's habit, i need to gather all the data before having a full view and express my opinion on everything.

this looks like the opposite form of reasoning he uses on fox.
he operates on hasty guesswork, goes with a popular wagon, and the only indictment of fox he has is saying fox is fluffing too many confusing words

I gathered and analyzed data. This doesn't mean i don't have any instinct. My guesses are based for now on what I think about what I have seen: it's the first day, and i have not anything other than opinions to think. This is why I'm guessing. I didn't know if I had to vote foxcastle, but from the data I gathered that's what sounded better for me. Maybe i can be influenced easily, and this is why I decided to vote foxcastle. The reason I didn't like him from the start was a post based on no reason about how rivera was town. Rivera at the point still hadn't wrote anything, so I didn't like that post. Foodcoast analysis on what foxcastle wrote convinced me. And i decided to vote him. I'm mostly doing what I'm doing based on what I believe you believe, I need to trust your reads about others. Maybe you're influenced about what foxcastle wrote after i voted him. But for the moment, i'm all about finding who to trust and who to trust not.
Moreover, if you read, i wrote I'll probably change my mind. This is all about the new data I am given.

[TheMarche]

dont be afraid of me marche.
wait til you see what the people here think of me when I start doing all sorts of toxic anti town crap and turn the whole table upside down against me.

im not really scary

luckily you are caught red handed. so that makes this pleasant and fun

I am not afraid. I am clean and have shown it with my answers.

[TheMarche]

At the top of the post he says hes read every post of the game twice.

Anyway you could have seen me online everytime from 1pm to 4pm (I think this means 4am-7am in PDT) reading posts. I just wrote down everything interesting that hit me.

[TheMarche]

Moreover i read again every foxcastle's post written before I posted my comment. The only towny post he wrote was to encourage someone to make questions (any good mafia could do that) and another written just before that I didn't read because I was writing when it was posted. He only posted his analysis on rivera, and asked how many scum players may be in game. It seems your comment on how foxcastle is town is based on things wrote later.

[TheMarche]

Sorry posted this twice for error

[TheMarche]

Do you still think kgray is scummy?

I'll think about it later. I need to attend my lessons now... I'll read again the posts and think about it

[DemonRHK]

Holy fuck content.

So I don't like a ton of stuff Donny has done. He had that whole weird flash to no lynch to suicide vote line. At first I was on clueless town, then newb-scum, then too dumb to be scum but he's reaching DammDan levels of super overt.

Rdr has been lazy sitting on Sarah and almost everything was focused there, BUT, he hasn't posted in a while and I misread rdr all the damn time.

food is rubbing me the wrong way. He piled on Sarah and then jumped back onto fox the next time he was back.

I don't have the bias against Sarah many of you have, so I don't see scummy, mostly...disinterested? Lazy? Like I get Durga vibes here on playstyle. And most of this pressure is policy not scumreading, which breaks down to I don't care if I kill someone I think could be town.

My three up three down:
Brain, Kgrey, and Vecna town
food, Donny, and Marche scum

##Vote foodcoats

[Nephthys]

@Marche, I'm intrigued that you needed time to think after brain made his case.

That being said, your explanations aren't too bad and I honestly think I have a better shot with Donny.

##Vote Donny

[Vecna]

I am coming around on Sarah. I saw noobscum cornered this way in a game I played on Mafia Scum. Sarah seems to be spiralling on her accusers rather than paying attention to any other happenings in-game.

##VOTE Sarah

I really am not seeing what youre seeing. This feels like a typical new town agitation defence.

Im calling this a bad wagon for too surface level where people arent even trying to see how town would also respond in the exact same way.

[damo666]

Solid defence from Marche. Ville solide.

[Vecna]

I was actually thinking Flash might be better, since I don't know much about Summit and Bismarck to tell whether they should know better than to lurk like this.

Im not voting bismarck because he's lurking

I feel like you're setting me up to ask "so why are you voting Bismarck" so that you can make some haughty remark about having seen through his single post to glimpse the mind of scum, or some similar nonsense.

So, uh, why are you voting Bismarck?

Why are you pretending a single post cannot be enough to scumread someone?

You know Ive correctly scumread and caught you in the past for a single post or a bus.

If youre already presupposing my response is going to be haughty, youre not really interested in the answer anyway and youre just trying to make my vote look silly.

[damo666]

Not really scumreading anyone yet though some are much stronger town than others.

Of the current top wagons the only ones I really get are Sarah and Donny. (My darg vote was obviously jokey).

I get the logic behind the Sarah vote but I don't think she's scum and I'd rather lynch someone else.

Donny is definitely flapping but whether that's scumminess or inexperience is moot.

##unvote

[Vecna]

I don't see the value of 'guessing' the scum-numbers.

It's either going to lead to false security of false insecurity. More chaos.

I want to townlean dargo for this (and some other posts) but did someone else not just say this same idea previously, a few pages back? Don't know who though.

We know that some scum did a useless colour scheme just to hide behind. That sure brought back memories when Fox did his thing. Especially when it then turned out he did not have an actual plan to use the information afterwards whatsoever.

And then Xorxes came in to say he thought that shit was towny.

[Vecna]

hold up

Is there any reason why inventor cant just claim rn?

like mafia wants guns and items
3p wants guns and items

every faction would keep an inventor/gunsmith alive in a role madness.

Given the fact this game could very well feature redirector type of roles, this just seems like an awful suggestion. (ditto; massclaim)