M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[worcej]

Worcej do you think Flav is fakeclaiming?

He could be - his push for us to not confirm his lynch is suspicious. As I have just stated, him being a verified town-clear and not dying in the process is better than mislynching imo.

[Squigs44]

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. The only way to verify the Naruto runner is to lynch them, so in a mass claim you would've been one of the first up for a lynch.

Exactly so me claiming Naruto Runner makes zero sense whatsoever since I’m going to be the person to be lynched, I’d claim literally anything else

You were trying to argue that with your role you would have been for a mass claim, which isn't true at all.
Your bouncing around from point to point and contradicting yourself.

[FlaviusAetius]

What are you worried about, Flav... you aren't going to die, right? You're giving town a confirmed clear.

Its more important to lynch someone than to mislynch, no? Thats whats going to happen here, and nothing will be solved, you even admitted nothing will be solved, its useless to lynch me

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

[worcej]

Its more important to lynch someone than to mislynch, no? Thats whats going to happen here, and nothing will be solved, you even admitted nothing will be solved, its useless to lynch me

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

No it is not and the longer you argue that we should not lynch you, the more likely I believe you are scum or 3p.

[FlaviusAetius]

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. The only way to verify the Naruto runner is to lynch them, so in a mass claim you would've been one of the first up for a lynch.

Exactly so me claiming Naruto Runner makes zero sense whatsoever since I’m going to be the person to be lynched, I’d claim literally anything else

You were trying to argue that with your role you would have been for a mass claim, which isn't true at all.
Your bouncing around from point to point and contradicting yourself.

No Im saying if I was mafia, I would NOT claim Naruto Runner, and support mass claim
As a Naruto Runner, I would CLAIM Naruto Runner, and be AGAINST mass claim

[dargorygel]

Its more important to lynch someone than to mislynch, no? Thats whats going to happen here, and nothing will be solved, you even admitted nothing will be solved, its useless to lynch me

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

It confirms you. That is not a waste.

[FlaviusAetius]

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

No it is not and the longer you argue that we should not lynch you, the more likely I believe you are scum or 3p.

I want us to lynch Ezio, he is the clear lynch today, he said the words, we need to get rid of him, not someone who has done everything a mafia WOULDNT do

[Squigs44]

IMO, mislynching is a worse option if I can prove by claiming that I am a town.

You were just arguing that you couldn't be mafia because claiming this role would ensure your lynch. Now you're saying that claiming your role proves you are town.

Yeah, Flav keeps contradicting himself in a desperate attempt to backpedal out of this hole he's got himself in.

[worcej]

Still a waste of a lynch

No it is not and the longer you argue that we should not lynch you, the more likely I believe you are scum or 3p.

I want us to lynch Ezio, he is the clear lynch today, he said the words, we need to get rid of him, not someone who has done everything a mafia WOULDNT do

I think proving you are town helps a lot more than gambling on Ezio today.

If you were town, you would realize that already.

[TrPrado]

Wait, so the idea we're going for is losing the bulletproof D1?

[KalelChase]

I usually don't believe on scumslip, but this statement is really weird.

Four hours to go, but this is in-line with my current weights.
Damo, any chance you'd jump on the Flavius wagon? That would clear up some of my baggage about you.

##Vote Flavius

That's a hell of an weird post, why Damo would get more towny voting for someone that is being pushed for telling that Bo was right on catching Damo as scum? Please explain like I had 4 years...

Rdrivera,

My current weights show Flavius and Damo in-cahoots. They're tied in my scum weight spreadsheet (which doesn't distinct from 3P since we didn't have them last game) and my vote at the time of the post was on Damo. I was hesitant to move my vote to a lead wagon just after I declared that I wasn't going to 'just go with the popular vote' this game, and be brave enough to go off on my own. Thought that kind of hypocrisy would be perceived as scummy. Point being I was cautious about moving from Damo to Flav.

My suggestion that Damo vote for Flav would either confirm or take-away from my theory that they're covering for each other, especially if Flav flipped scum.

Hope that helps. Happy to elaborate further if needed.

[BionicMole]

Do we really need to make Flav prove himself?

If he is Naruto Runner, then him being lynched is actually a great thing - we create a town-clear immediately and don't lose a body in the process.

I caught up, grabbed a bite to eat, came back and had 2 more pages to read, aaaah...
This seems legit though. We find if Flav is telling the truth and he can save himself if he is. It will cost the scum an action to eliminate him, which buys us some time to gather more information.

As much as I want to see if Ezio is the Tanner I think I have to jump on the ##vote FlaviusAetius wagon

[rdrivera2005]

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Flavius, you should not have claimed, it's pointless as you will not be llynched anyway and you just turned your role useless as scum will never target you. And you just made EOD useless as it's now safe (and a rational thing as people already pointed) to vote for you and I hardly see how you won't be the lynch.

##vote Kalel until he answer my question.

#Ask GM - Just to confirm, Bulletproof is also immune to the first lynch?

If you believe his claim was useless as town, does that mean you think he is scum?

Not what I said. It's a bad call either as town or scum because you almost force your lynch to prove your claim. If you are scum, you die, bad choice of a fake claim. If you are town you clear yourself but miss any chance to deflect an NK and make EOD1 a waste.
When he claimed I thought he should be town, but considering how he is fighting the lynch I think there is a decent chance for him to be scum and lynching him is the rational choice at this point.

[worcej]

Wait, so the idea we're going for is losing the bulletproof D1?

With it already claimed, there is more upside confirming it than risking a mislynch on others.

[KalelChase]

Do we really need to make Flav prove himself?

If he is Naruto Runner, then him being lynched is actually a great thing - we create a town-clear immediately and don't lose a body in the process.

Yes, if Flav is really the runner then they're really helping us out here.
Flav... you're fighting really hard for someone who's about to be a hero.

[dargorygel]

I'm finding this hard push back by Flav, too.
IF he is mostly (as he claims) concerned about Ezio, then Flav should remember that he will be around tomorrow to lynch Ezio, then.
And maybe Ezio will do more scum-stuff to persuade the rest of us.

[worcej]

I'm finding this hard push back by Flav, too.
IF he is mostly (as he claims) concerned about Ezio, then Flav should remember that he will be around tomorrow to lynch Ezio, then.
And maybe Ezio will do more scum-stuff to persuade the rest of us.

Agreed here - the push back makes little sense.

[dargorygel]

I'm finding this hard push back by Flav, too.
IF he is mostly (as he claims) concerned about Ezio, then Flav should remember that he will be around tomorrow to lynch Ezio, then.
And maybe Ezio will do more scum-stuff to persuade the rest of us.

"I'm finding this hard push back ODD by Flav, too."

[rdrivera2005]

Four hours to go, but this is in-line with my current weights.
Damo, any chance you'd jump on the Flavius wagon? That would clear up some of my baggage about you.

##Vote Flavius

That's a hell of an weird post, why Damo would get more towny voting for someone that is being pushed for telling that Bo was right on catching Damo as scum? Please explain like I had 4 years...

Rdrivera,

My current weights show Flavius and Damo in-cahoots. They're tied in my scum weight spreadsheet (which doesn't distinct from 3P since we didn't have them last game) and my vote at the time of the post was on Damo. I was hesitant to move my vote to a lead wagon just after I declared that I wasn't going to 'just go with the popular vote' this game, and be brave enough to go off on my own. Thought that kind of hypocrisy would be perceived as scummy. Point being I was cautious about moving from Damo to Flav.

My suggestion that Damo vote for Flav would either confirm or take-away from my theory that they're covering for each other, especially if Flav flipped scum.

Hope that helps. Happy to elaborate further if needed.

Do you know scum can vote other scum (and usually do it a lot), right? I still don't really understand your logic and really think your (over) concern on how other people will see your moves a bit scummy, but thanks for the explanation.

[bozotheclown]

Its more important to lynch someone than to mislynch, no? Thats whats going to happen here, and nothing will be solved, you even admitted nothing will be solved, its useless to lynch me

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

I think lynching you as bulletproof would be a very good use of your role, as we would get a town clear and reduce the lynch pool without killing you. However, your arguing that it is a wasted lynch makes me more suspicious that you are really mafia.