MAFIA 48 -The Gladiator- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Nephthys]

Or you know, you could do the not half-assed thing and try and talk to me about it.

Here ill make it easy for you by making some annoying claim: The only reason Hosuku was lynched was because I was fucking around with moving the wagon and putting Damo as a viable contender. The emperor could not use his ability because there was a real chance that Damo would end up being mislynched.

I'm gonna rebut this with something you're gonna hate.

Voting.

Why was it that you waited until 4 mins after the wagon was up by 3 to move off Hosuke. If you were paying close enough attention to know the vote counts I would suggest that you knew it sooner and then sat on it for a while before shifting your vote.

Why do I think this?

I think that you realised your scumbuddy was about to be lynched and then saw what Ike etc had been doing in tying the votes. You then had a thought;

"I can save my buddy, all I need is one other person to jump off, and if it doesn't work I can just blame it on trying to make things confusing"

You then shifted.

A few minutes later you decided you might be able to milk some towncred or something by jumping ship.

You shifted back to Hosuke

You realize I announced way ahead of time I wanted the vote to be 5v5v5 right? Did you read the role description of the emperor?

The only way to lynch scum in this setup, is if scum DO NOT KNOW whether their teammember is going to end up getting lynched.

Youre only looking at the possible scummy explanation. And youre doing it poorly.

And you thought with less than 5 mins to go, when it wasn't particularly close to 5v5v5 that you might just have one more shot at it?

That is poor.

Trust me, I tried looking at it from a towny perspective but I can't make it simply work, as scum however...

I would much rather have you on my team than against, I just don't think you are here.

[Vecna]

The only way im not on your team is if you are scum.

Id think its very easy to read me if you look at my reasoning and my arguments, but whatever. If you wanna keep up with this and scumread me just because you wanna refuse to see things from my perspective, enjoy being wrong I guess.

[Nephthys]

Also, talking about disappointed: I feel disappointed you'd really think I would try to save Hosuku and do it in the way that I did.

Why as scum would I constantly set Hosuku up to be lynched (I voted and talked about his scummyness EXTENSIVELY) - only then to do a weird move and switch on and off Damo? If I was going to bus him, why would I not want to look good doing so?

Youre not making any sense, and your level of analysis is simplistic, high school level.

The last few games have all been won with some exceptional bussing. I think that you saw a chance and took it, you know that with each day you live the suspicion on you grows therefore I think you would, especially if you were the goon.

A few games ago I remember xorx posting something in maf chat along the lines of

"I'll be lynched easy D3/4 so bus me before then to not draw attention to yourself."

I think you would have happily swapped a lynch to keep the day chat open.

If I actually was scum here, I wouldnt bus whatsoever. This setup makes it way too easy for scum to sweep with all 5 alive. Especially if Tem is scum here, they played it really fucking poorly. I wouldve instructed all my teammates to townread eachother hard. And it wouldve worked easily. I wouldve never even voiced a scumread on Hosuku to begin with, and I wouldve fed him easy lines to make him seem towny. If I was scum here Hosuku would have never been a wagon to begin with. Its a mistake. A bad way to play as scum.

Perhaps I truly am stupid but please enlighten me as to why everyone townreading each other would make it an "easy" sweep.

Why it is easier if Tem is scum

Are you actually gonna say that you would feed a guy lines??? I guess I had more respect for you than I should

[Vecna]

One final parting gift: If I was actually scum here, you'd still be talking to ceasar.

100%

[Vecna]

The last few games have all been won with some exceptional bussing. I think that you saw a chance and took it, you know that with each day you live the suspicion on you grows therefore I think you would, especially if you were the goon.

A few games ago I remember xorx posting something in maf chat along the lines of

"I'll be lynched easy D3/4 so bus me before then to not draw attention to yourself."

I think you would have happily swapped a lynch to keep the day chat open.

If I actually was scum here, I wouldnt bus whatsoever. This setup makes it way too easy for scum to sweep with all 5 alive. Especially if Tem is scum here, they played it really fucking poorly. I wouldve instructed all my teammates to townread eachother hard. And it wouldve worked easily. I wouldve never even voiced a scumread on Hosuku to begin with, and I wouldve fed him easy lines to make him seem towny. If I was scum here Hosuku would have never been a wagon to begin with. Its a mistake. A bad way to play as scum.

Perhaps I truly am stupid but please enlighten me as to why everyone townreading each other would make it an "easy" sweep.

Why it is easier if Tem is scum

Are you actually gonna say that you would feed a guy lines??? I guess I had more respect for you than I should

Why on earth wouldnt you feed a guy like Hosuku lines? Thats what daychat is there for. You could easily make him look decent, and survive for a long time since people dont care for lurkers that say sensible things from time to time.

The only reason he ended up being lynched now is because of Temasek's really weird handling of the slot and people drawing connections - that might still end up being wrong, but if he actually is scum it just further proves my point about how poorly they handled this situation.

[Nephthys]

The only way im not on your team is if you are scum.

Id think its very easy to read me if you look at my reasoning and my arguments, but whatever. If you wanna keep up with this and scumread me just because you wanna refuse to see things from my perspective, enjoy being wrong I guess.

On the contrary, I think you have either fallen back on your reputation or deflected most of what I've asked.

The sad thing is that many players here don't have the balls to stand up against you.

[Vaporwave]

this is so dramatic it's actually enjoyable

carry on guys

will give my thumbs up or down to Vecna later

Neph is a solid townread as mentioned previously

[Vecna]

What have I deflected? You have a version of events in your head, surrounding my switching my vote to Damo, that is not correct. Ive given you my explanation, you refuse to accept it. Still, I cannot really change the reasoning why I did what I did, hence im trying to give you other arguments that I think are reasonable, but apparently theyre not working.

If you have other stuff you feel im deflecting on, do bring it up. Ill try to change your mind, because I dont think this is coming from a scum motivated mindset.

About the balls thing....I dont know if I agree entirely, but theres probably some truth to it.

[Jamiet99uk]

this is so dramatic it's actually enjoyable

carry on guys

will give my thumbs up or down to Vecna later

Neph is a solid townread as mentioned previously

Claiming Mafia Emperor now, are you?

[Vecna]

All of this, and that is what you have to comment?

[Nephthys]

What have I deflected? You have a version of events in your head, surrounding my switching my vote to Damo, that is not correct. Ive given you my explanation, you refuse to accept it. Still, I cannot really change the reasoning why I did what I did, hence im trying to give you other arguments that I think are reasonable, but apparently theyre not working.

If you have other stuff you feel im deflecting on, do bring it up. Ill try to change your mind, because I dont think this is coming from a scum motivated mindset.

About the balls thing....I dont know if I agree entirely, but theres probably some truth to it.

Sorry, was getting triggered so took a break.

Looking back the deflecting was not phrased as a question in my post as I intended it to be.

"As scum, would you trade yourself, a goon for Hosuke, the encryptor in this game state?"

I'm relatively happy that I've teased out what I wanted to from this conversation and I do accept that I may have tunneled.

Hopefully those more interested than Jamie in solving can share their thoughts and progress this further.

[Nephthys]

What have I deflected? You have a version of events in your head, surrounding my switching my vote to Damo, that is not correct. Ive given you my explanation, you refuse to accept it. Still, I cannot really change the reasoning why I did what I did, hence im trying to give you other arguments that I think are reasonable, but apparently theyre not working.

If you have other stuff you feel im deflecting on, do bring it up. Ill try to change your mind, because I dont think this is coming from a scum motivated mindset.

About the balls thing....I dont know if I agree entirely, but theres probably some truth to it.

It gets me soo much, look at Vapor and Tem and tell me they would make a case against you and try to drive your lynch. I remember the last time you were scum and I was pushing you hard and the only onedoing it, the God thread said it was ballsy. The issue with this site is that everything is so meta-wrapped that people shy away from winning the game at the cost of being look down upon by a "good player"

At times I see why brain left.

[Jamiet99uk]

Temasek brief re-scan:

DAY ONE

- Buddies Vecna hard.

- Mentions ItsHosuke a lot (but they know each other in RL, right?). Most of his references are about how dumb Hosuke is.

- Votes DemonRHK. Then unvotes and says DemonRHK looks good for voting ItsHosuke. Then votes DemonRHK again.

- Then votes ItsHosuke.

- Claims he's done a re-read that makes ItsHosuke appear town, and votes Yuuki instead.

- Unvotes and moves to TrPrado as EoD approaches.


NIGHT ONE

- Appears regretful at the TrPrado lynch.

- Still buddying up to Vecna and declares him top townread.

- Also declares Yuuki and Hosuke are both town, and he'll be "shocked" if either is scum (despite having attaked Hosuke during D1 and voted both of them at one stage or other).


DAY TWO

- Provides a reads list containing three reads. In that readlist, ItsHosuke and Yukki are both listed as scumleans, while Carambola is listed as town.

- Thinks Jamie vs Yukki could be scum-vs-scum.

- A page later, he says "its more likely that both are town".

- Votes ItsHosuke but hedges by saying "not meant to be serious".

- Votes Chaqa. Also scumreads Xorxes.

- Stayed on Chaqa despite acknowledging he was aware Chaqa had softed a town PR.


KEY FINDINGS

1. He buddies Vecna a whole lot.

2. His read on ItsHosuke changes from scum to town during D1, he has ItsHosuke as a strong townread N1, flips to a scumlean on him D2 and votes him but says its "not serious" and quickly moves off.

3. Was willing to leave his vote parked on Chaqa even though he was aware Chaqa was claiming town PR.


I can certainly see why people are scumreading this guy.

[damo666]

@Damo

Do you have anything on EMC except the policy lynch?

I didn't like his lack of activity but he has improved a lot recently.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOtE TEMASEK

[Vecna]

I dno what you want me to respond to that Neph.

I feel like im usually a pretty easy townread as town, and that im very hard to lynch. Ill do weird shit which causes some odd looks and suspicion, but I dont ever end up getting lynched over it because ill put up a fight, which I tend to win.

Im not that great as scum, but I hardly ever random scum here. I dont even remember the game you mention, just that other weird one where I played as Ceasar and for some reason people did not end up lynching me.

[damo666]

So Chaqa neither jailed nor killed. Hmmm

This is scummy as... You are literally questioning an un-CCed PR

No, I am questioning why would scum allow an un-cc'd cop get off another scan. I actually have a theory but to discuss it would, I think, be more detrimental to town than scum so we should drop this for the timebeing.

[Vecna]

Yeah the annoying thing is, were probably pretty close to a point where -potentially- claiming the two town gladiators might be worth it to remove the risk of the scum gladiator wifom'ing into an extra nightkill....but its hard to know whether thats optimal before we know what Vapour is gonna flip as.

[Nephthys]

I dno what you want me to respond to that Neph.

I feel like im usually a pretty easy townread as town, and that im very hard to lynch. Ill do weird shit which causes some odd looks and suspicion, but I dont ever end up getting lynched over it because ill put up a fight, which I tend to win.

Im not that great as scum, but I hardly ever random scum here. I dont even remember the game you mention, just that other weird one where I played as Ceasar and for some reason people did not end up lynching me.

Do you think thats a mechanically advantageous swap you for Hosuke. Its a simple question

[Nephthys]

@Damo, thoughts on Caram/Percy

Are we late enough to lynch lurkers?