MAFIA 48 -The Gladiator- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Vaporwave]

we're in agreement in regards to Percy

he never fails to deliver snippets of charm when he's town. We might fear the worst, I also expected Percy to try some Roman shtick.

[Carambola]

After a careful scan of the thread, I am quite puzzled. It seems everyone is looking for who the scums are, but there's no agreement about which characteristics should be considered as indicative. So, it's mostly personal attacks, calls to intuition, and making use of previous knowledge of the players and their styles.
We are doomed, i guess? Any reason for having some faith?

[Jamiet99uk]

Current scumreads:

DemonRHK
RagingIke
Yuuki
possibly Vaporwave.


Current townreads:

Vecna
Worcej
possibly Damo
possibly Foodcoats

You call this reads? Names with no actual opinions? Anyone can write a list with names. How about putting some effort.

Hahaha what a joke, your reads list was fabricated and hedgy as all fuck.

[yuuki]

Current scumreads:

DemonRHK
RagingIke
Yuuki
possibly Vaporwave.


Current townreads:

Vecna
Worcej
possibly Damo
possibly Foodcoats

You call this reads? Names with no actual opinions? Anyone can write a list with names. How about putting some effort.

Fair point.

yuuki, if Jamie is scum, who do you think are their 4 fellow rebel slaves?

Really hard to say so right now, but I have to say Jamie being scum won't put you in good light. There is a lurker or two in that team. Maybe someone like Tem or Percy. damo could be too. It would probably be damo based on Jamie's 'reads'

[yuuki]

Current scumreads:

DemonRHK
RagingIke
Yuuki
possibly Vaporwave.


Current townreads:

Vecna
Worcej
possibly Damo
possibly Foodcoats

You call this reads? Names with no actual opinions? Anyone can write a list with names. How about putting some effort.

Hahaha what a joke, your reads list was fabricated and hedgy as all fuck.

Fabricated is such a big word for you. Did you learn that during your Phd?

[Carambola]

@Carambola

If you had to pick your top three players who you think are scum, who are they?

If you had to pick your top three players who you think are town, who are they?

I feel like a deaf judge in The Voice.

[Jamiet99uk]

After a careful scan of the thread, I am quite puzzled. It seems everyone is looking for who the scums are, but there's no agreement about which characteristics should be considered as indicative. So, it's mostly personal attacks, calls to intuition, and making use of previous knowledge of the players and their styles.
We are doomed, i guess? Any reason for having some faith?

If there was a standard, straightforward, and infallible mechanism for detecting scum, town would always win, scum would always lose, and everyone would lose interest in playing.

As a starting point it can be useful to ISO players you don't have a strong read on, and see if anything stands out from their ISO.

ISO = ISOlated reading of a player's posts, removing everyone else's.

You can do this using the magical Peterbot at http://mafia.peterlund.se

[rdrivera2005]

Why would you ever coach a newby to sound like a mediocre advanced player?

That just doesnt make sense. You just tell them to act clueless and own that shit.

That's something I was considering, that maybe newbies get coached with mafia day chat. In this case Yukki and Temasek seems the least likely as they just keep going same way since start. Hosuke and Carambola are more timid, the second one just vanished after claiming VT.

I think I will ##vote Chaqa to see if he materializes, before the consolidation time arrives.

The 'pressure the lurker' vote is a classic scum move

Yes, but it worked, Chaqa posted twice after my vote (exactly the same amount as before). And interestingly he is scumreading you but not voting you.

[TrPrado]

Alright, I think the thread is saturated enough for me to stop playing Fire Emblem and actually come to the good ol Mafia table. My Jamie vote was and is serious. Vecna says he got a very passionate vibe from him, but I think it's really just the all caps that gives the impression of passion. The fact that he's kept up the Roman numeral and stylization thing up is NAI in and of itself, but him making so many posts like that without error means he's being careful about how he says what he says, measuring every letter, and I don't like the vibe I get when I think about that.

Ike wants to have fun, that is pretty clear. He's the only one that wanted to play along with my weird game, and I really don't think scum would.

(For public record, the easiest way to read those posts is to quote them.)

I think foodcoats is a little strange. He's shooting leads in a few directions, but they're not based on much and he doesn't seem interested in following up on any of them. He's spent more time buddying Carambola than he has following up on leads. Town lean on Carambola since he's not giving off any kind of danger signals anyway.

Neph and xorxes both seem to be putting in good effort. Worcej has so many back to back uninterrupted posts and it put a frown on my face.

Yeah, how about you dont put words in my mouth

Are you saying you never called him passionate?

[Jamiet99uk]

Fabricated is such a big word for you. Did you learn that during your Phd?

I have a verbose and variegated vocabulary, replete with a resonant rhapsody of putative and pusillanimous prose. I can purport with the most pugnacious of them.

[RagingIke297]

My Jamie vote was and is serious. Vecna says he got a very passionate vibe from him, but I think it's really just the all caps that gives the impression of passion. The fact that he's kept up the Roman numeral and stylization thing up is NAI in and of itself, but him making so many posts like that without error means he's being careful about how he says what he says, measuring every letter, and I don't like the vibe I get when I think about that.

Ike wants to have fun, that is pretty clear. He's the only one that wanted to play along with my weird game, and I really don't think scum would.

Please note:

RagingIke is allowed to have fun.
Jamiet99uk is not allowed to have fun.

TrPrado has spoken.

I don't want to have fun, i want to rally a wagon

[RagingIke297]

After a careful scan of the thread, I am quite puzzled. It seems everyone is looking for who the scums are, but there's no agreement about which characteristics should be considered as indicative. So, it's mostly personal attacks, calls to intuition, and making use of previous knowledge of the players and their styles.
We are doomed, i guess? Any reason for having some faith?

Lol shhhhhhhhhhh, we dont do that here

[yuuki]

After a careful scan of the thread, I am quite puzzled. It seems everyone is looking for who the scums are, but there's no agreement about which characteristics should be considered as indicative. So, it's mostly personal attacks, calls to intuition, and making use of previous knowledge of the players and their styles.
We are doomed, i guess? Any reason for having some faith?

And faith, ye shall have.

Yuuki's guide of Standard scummy behaviours is here to delight your senses:

1) Tunneling: scum tends to tunnel because they know people's real alignments so it's really hard for them to 'fake' change their opinions on others. Townies on the other hand are clueless. Thus, we tend to shift our opinions several times throughout the game and are very rarely completely sure of anything.

2) Parking the vote on a lurker: another classic scum move is to park the vote on a 'safe' bet like a lurker. This allows them to sit in the sidelines waiting for town to create wagons on themselves while defending their position as voting for lurkers which should be a townie move in theory since lurkers are always bad for town. Real townies however shift their votes often or park it on someone they are trying hard to drive a wagon on because they are convinced on their scumminess.

3) Buddying up: scum loves to pick a townie early on to buddy up to to gather goodwill. Townies rarely band together because there is too much suspicion until there are cleared townies.

4) Fakeclaiming: town should never fakeclaim since it only adds confusion which benefits scum. That being said, this inherently scummy behavior is sometimes showcased by poor players who think their own survival is crucial to the town's victory and refuse to accept that sometimes a quiet sacrifice is beneficial to town.

5) Leading conversation away from the game into pointless arguments: this is harder to prove as there are a lot of opinions regarding what it pointless and what isn't but is usually a good scum sign when combined with some of the aforementioned points.

6) Lurking: lurking is anti-town behavior. Nothing is better for scum than to sit in the sidelines and watch townies kill each other while laughing it out. All townies should be trying to actively scumhunt. Sadly, real life gets in the way and it's hard to say when lurking is purposeful and when it's merely life. That being said lurkers should rarely/never be killed on D1 and even D2 because they offer little information and could be PRs trying to lay low to prevent scum from NKing them. Scum loves town lurkers because they can control the conversation, and they are usually easly lynches in the latter days due to the amount of ill-feelings generated by their lurking.

[TrPrado]

Vecna: HAIL CAESAR. Strong Null read here.

What the fuck is a "strong" null read?

Hey that’s the exact same way I was gonna phrase that question

[foodcoats]

That's something I was considering, that maybe newbies get coached with mafia day chat. In this case Yukki and Temasek seems the least likely as they just keep going same way since start. Hosuke and Carambola are more timid, the second one just vanished after claiming VT.

I think I will ##vote Chaqa to see if he materializes, before the consolidation time arrives.

The 'pressure the lurker' vote is a classic scum move

Yes, but it worked, Chaqa posted twice after my vote (exactly the same amount as before). And interestingly he is scumreading you but not voting you.

Hmmmmm... that is a good point... but Chaqa did say they are scumming Temasek and have voting thusly.

However, I wonder why town!Chaqa wouldn't place a vote on Jamie, who they also read, and who is a big wagon. So Chaqa is instead alone on Temasek. If Chaqa is scum, Jamie is town and yuuki and Temasek are both scum, perhaps.

[yuuki]

Fabricated is such a big word for you. Did you learn that during your Phd?

I have a verbose and variegated vocabulary, replete with a resonant rhapsody of putative and pusillanimous prose. I can purport with the most pugnacious of them.

Such a dazzling cornucopia of formulae

[foodcoats]

##unvote

I'll probs reread to make sure I'm not making any rookie mistakes

^^ This post is so scummy it hurts, and Tem isn't as inexperienced as we should initially believe, based on him reading last game and being a friend of Hosuke, so there's obviously a little bit more knowledge than would be expected. Therefore, this post is enough for me to feel comfortable with a Tem vote.

##Vote Temasek

Is this post from Temasek actually scummy? Or is scum!Chaqa just looking for a reason to bus? Chaqa bussed the team hard last game when he was scum.

[Vecna]

damo's posting so far is actually kind of crap. I really thought damo was great as town last game and I think I was feeling good about them so far just because of that. The ItsHosuke vote looks like a park.

To be fair, Damo is always shit on the first part of day1. He usually has picked up steam though after 36h and becomes very readable very quickly.

If it doesnt happen soon, im definately crucifying him.

[DemonRHK]

5 to go, 5 multi-vote wagons:

Hosuke - My leading scumread. I still feel the terminology ask was an attempt to play dumb. You don't suddenly ask about something like that when it was used a ton last game. And if you want to play the other side of that, people said they were lazy, so why try now?

Jamie - I'm not a fan of the wagon. I'm getting more town on jamie as the day goes on, he's back to being the angry, insulting jamie we know and love(?)

yuuki - The second of my coached suspects. The entire 'you'll be sorry when I flip town' and 'It was a rxn test' are really bad and flimsy stances, and normally scumbo defense tactics

foodcoats - I'm leaning town. Throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and to get back and forth going in the thread. THAT is how you get people to react, not by misquoting and pretending it was a test.

DemonRHK - I'm town. Kinda usless, but town nonetheless.

[Jamiet99uk]

This is a helpful post from Yuuki right here, so I have a few questions, applying Yuuki's own techniques.

Yuuki's guide of Standard scummy behaviours is here to delight your senses:

1) Tunneling: scum tends to tunnel because they know people's real alignments so it's really hard for them to 'fake' change their opinions on others. Townies on the other hand are clueless. Thus, we tend to shift our opinions several times throughout the game and are very rarely completely sure of anything.

@Yuuki: Vaporwave said he was completely convinced that I'm scum, and he won't change his mind no matter what.

What is your opinion on that?

2) Parking the vote on a lurker: another classic scum move is to park the vote on a 'safe' bet like a lurker. This allows them to sit in the sidelines waiting for town to create wagons on themselves while defending their position as voting for lurkers which should be a townie move in theory since lurkers are always bad for town. Real townies however shift their votes often or park it on someone they are trying hard to drive a wagon on because they are convinced on their scumminess.

@ Yuuki: What is the difference between "convinced" and "completely sure" ?

3) Buddying up: scum loves to pick a townie early on to buddy up to to gather goodwill. Townies rarely band together because there is too much suspicion until there are cleared townies.

@Yuuki: I think Temasek engaged in some pretty hardcore buddying of Vecna in the early pages. You also mentioned this in your read of him, so clearly you observed it. This being the case, however, why is your verdict on him "clueless town", when here you've just described buddying as a serious scumtell?