Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

@flash: I was voting Dargo before this all happened. Other scumreads were Bozo and bo_sox. I haven’t read the last... dozens of pages yet though.

Really, lynching me probably isn’t that bad. My role is a bit of a liability for the town anyway and my lynch probably gives us an extra mislynch in the late game.

Looks like when Chaqa declaimed their dislike for the Vapor wagon because of their scumreads, those supposed scumreads were darg, bo and bozo. So darg was being bussed. Was Chaqa bussing 1/3, 2/3 or the whole lot?

Chaqa only voted for darg and bo_sox when they had no chance of getting lynched.

That is interesting... Chaq also sat on you all vaporday.

Did his own bo wagon d1.

I don't think he touched jamie.

[foodcoats]

But Dargorygel could also have done that, and he didn't... How does this clear Flash?

As the xorxes post points out, dargorygel could not have claimed DP because he said he would have targeted a town clear N1.

Was that person known to be a townclear on N1?

Yes, brain used vote steal d1

[bozotheclown]

Xorxes brought up an interesting point about foodcoats and his unchanging scumread of xorxes. Town's reads are usually more fluid than that.

This post from xorxes about Espresso's DP smokescreen shows why the mafia would avoid claiming DP if Jamie, bo_sox, and foodcoats are the remaining scum. Also, it shows that most of the scum candidates were unprepared for their DP claim, which points to Espresso as town.

Why are you both sheeping the dead guy now?

You're attaching to his earlier posts, too, not his final conclusion:

So my scumteam is EP/bozo/Jamiet, but I can't really say that I townread bo or food. I'm most certain about EP.

I believe EP attacked me earlier because I had, long ago, suggested there might be some wisdom in dead-Vecna's reads. Apparently the wisdom of the dead sometimes suits, sometimes does not.

I think the post by xorxes about the Espresso's DP claiming was useful information, but it does not mean he was right about Espresso being scum. I believe the primary reason xorxes thought Espresso was scum was because he felt that tracker was one of the fake scum roles. I am not as sure about that, and if you take that away, Espresso looks town to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

As the xorxes post points out, dargorygel could not have claimed DP because he said he would have targeted a town clear N1.

Was that person known to be a townclear on N1?

Yes, brain used vote steal d1

Oh yes true. I guess that has to be put down as a fuckup by Darg...

[bozotheclown]

Also, everyone realizes it is equally likely the missing claim is Absorber, right?

Possible, but the mafia could safely claim absorber, so that would mean they decided to counterclaim tracker, with either one or two scum in the tracker claims, instead of simply claiming absorber. Considering no scum had been lynched yet, and there was no reason to believe dargorygel was at risk of getting lynched D4, I doubt they would take that risk unnecessarily.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bo_Sox has gone into hiding.

I would vote him today. I can't think of a reason to townread him.

What's everyone else's view of Bo_Sox?

[foodcoats]

Bo_Sox has gone into hiding.

I would vote him today. I can't think of a reason to townread him.

What's everyone else's view of Bo_Sox?

My pool right now is EP and bo. Just trying to figure out number 3.

[bozotheclown]

I still question bo_sox as bulletproof. If he had asked to be lynched D1, we would have had 5 clears. Instead, he left himself open to suspicion for not clearing himself when he had the chance.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE BO_SOX then

[bozotheclown]

The vote should be 7-1 before EOD to be safe.

[flash2015]

So my scum pool is bo_sox, bozo, food and Jamiet. So if I can figure out who is the town in those four, we have our scum team.

I am liking bozo's reasoning at the moment. It is a bit weird how Chaqa, food AND bo all worked in unison on EP. If I follow my scum pool AT LEAST one of these two are scum, if not both. Would scum be that dumb though to all pile on the one person like this? Possibly. Is there one here which I would see as more likely (even slightly) to be town than the other? I think food has been trying hard for a while now to get EP mislynched. bo has been a bit distant and not really in the game. Last game I played with him he was the same and he tunneled me like he is tunneling EP now and he wouldn't hear an argument otherwise. If he really is town, I hope he can quickly get out of the tunnel, but I think bozo is right and he is probably scum, especially if you throw in the bulletproof claim too - he should have made use of it day 1. There is no reason for bulletproof other than to take the bullet and make a town clear.

Jamiet vs. bozo or Jamiet and bozo? - This is hard because I wasn't really scum reading either of them, but since I am pretty confident about EP, AT LEAST one of these two is scum. For Jamiet to be scum, he has to have faked the Oracle claim. I guess that could make sense. Perhaps worcej was right but his methods were faulty? And I think bozo's reasoning has gotten better as the game has progressed, though he is probably the best player remaining.

Long story short, I think bozo and EP are probably right. The last three are likely food, Jamiet and bo. If I have to make the choice now, I will go with the one I would follow my current strongest townread who I think is voting for my strongest scumread. So this means:

##VOTE foodcoats

[EspressoPatronum]

I won't have a ton of time to put into the game this weekend. I'm liking the the progress on bozo and flash's solves. Since I don't see myself ever voting for those two over others, they're both in my town block. That leaves bo_sox, food, and Jamie in my scum pool.

I also won't have time to complete my meta read of Jamie, so I'll leave you all with what I had. I looked through some of his past games to see how many times he asserted he was town, then considered if the quantity was alignment indicative. Like I said, it's "super scientific" (/s).

M46 - 5 times
1 I'm town
3 I am town
1 I am not scum

This game - 11 times
4 I'm town
2 I am town
4 I'm not scum
1 I am not scum

0 times m43 [moderator]

M45 - 12 times
4 I'm town
5 I am town
1 I am not scum
2 I am not scum

M42 - 1 time
1 I am not scum

The main issue with treating these results as AI is the lack of scum!Jamie games I considered. As the incomplete meta read stands, he appears to repeat that he's is town +/ not scum in games where he is in fact town +/ not scum.

[bozotheclown]

So apparently all 5 non-clears besides bo_sox are scum reading bo_sox. Either his 2 scum teammates are bussing him, or 2 two town are misreading him.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE foodcoats

[bozotheclown]

The bo_sox situation is causing me some concern. If he is just being bussed, I think Jamie, bo_sox, and foodcoats makes sense as scum. If not, however, that would mean at least one of Espresso and flash would have to be scum. That would probably mean both are, and the scum team is Jamie, Espresso, and flash. Since Jamie fits either way, he is my preference to lynch today, but we need to consolidate on a lynch.

[Jamiet99uk]

The bo_sox situation is causing me some concern. If he is just being bussed, I think Jamie, bo_sox, and foodcoats makes sense as scum. If not, however, that would mean at least one of Espresso and flash would have to be scum. That would probably mean both are, and the scum team is Jamie, Espresso, and flash. Since Jamie fits either way, he is my preference to lynch today, but we need to consolidate on a lynch.

Can you imagine a situation in which I'm not scum?
Who is the scumteam in that situation?

[bozotheclown]

I suppose it is possible Espresso and flash could be bussing bo_sox. I would be very surprised if Espresso and flash are on opposite teams, so that leave three possibilities:

1. Jamie, bo_sox, foodcoats
2. Jamie, Espresso, flash
3. bo_sox, Espresso, flash

[bozotheclown]

The bo_sox situation is causing me some concern. If he is just being bussed, I think Jamie, bo_sox, and foodcoats makes sense as scum. If not, however, that would mean at least one of Espresso and flash would have to be scum. That would probably mean both are, and the scum team is Jamie, Espresso, and flash. Since Jamie fits either way, he is my preference to lynch today, but we need to consolidate on a lynch.

Can you imagine a situation in which I'm not scum?
Who is the scumteam in that situation?

Do you think bo_sox is being bussed?

[bo_sox48]

Nope.

I'm climbing cliffs and swimming in glacial lakes, so I'm not here. I'm checking in briefly and will answer questions shortly.

[Jamiet99uk]

The bo_sox situation is causing me some concern. If he is just being bussed, I think Jamie, bo_sox, and foodcoats makes sense as scum. If not, however, that would mean at least one of Espresso and flash would have to be scum. That would probably mean both are, and the scum team is Jamie, Espresso, and flash. Since Jamie fits either way, he is my preference to lynch today, but we need to consolidate on a lynch.

Can you imagine a situation in which I'm not scum?
Who is the scumteam in that situation?

Do you think bo_sox is being bussed?

I'm the only person voting for him.
I'm town.
So, no, I don't.
I think the Bo_Sox wagon is 100% town.