Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo: TOWN
Espresso: SCUM
flash: [won't respond so he doesn't look bad]
foodcoats: SCUM
Jamiet: SCUM

I will give bo some more time to answer before I post my conclusions.

[bozotheclown]

I also believe that there's a good chance that Chaqa had me as his target, which explains why they chose to kill Vecna over me N1 (I know, how modest of me right? but I was sure I would be the kill if Vecna was scum, and one of us two if Vecna was town, which is why I claimed in case of Janitor). This would explain why bozo tried to corral me into voting for Chaqa because I had him as a scumread and was annoyed that I voted for emc instead. And Jamiet's warcry for all unclears to move to Chaqa when Chaqa was already a gonner. But this is just idle speculation, not meant to convince anyone of anything. I wouldn't count it as strong evidence.

I do not think the scum were trying to get Chaqa lynched D2, even though he was the cow.

[bozotheclown]

damo: claimed to avoid getting shot
Percy: claimed to avoid getting lynched
Chaqa: claimed to avoid getting lynched
xorxes: claimed in case he was janitored

There is only one role left that matches damo's claims, and it is unverifiable. Percy's claim can only be verified D6 if the roleblocker is gone.
Chaqa's claim is unverifiable.
xorxes could be verified D7.

Unless something changes, we have 2 mislynches left, so we could lose the game by D5.

I don't really know what to do with this post, so many mixed signals.

There is only one role left that matches damo's claims, and it is unverifiable.

False. But you might think this was true if you knew that the Tracker was not an option. I still can't believe the "connotation" bozo tried to pull about "later in the game" -> "late in the game". Even if there was such a connotation, you would not outright exclude the literal reading to say that there was only one role left for damo.

Percy's claim can only be verified D6 if the roleblocker is gone.

bozo made such a big deal about Percy being confused about N4 or N5, but now he is not aware that the roleblocker can't act when Percy's power is active. I can't really say if this is a real townslip or a well crafted one. Also, how exactly could Percy's role be verified? If he said he scanned a scum, we lynched them and they flipped scum, would that have counted as verification? No. If he said he scanned a town, we lynched them and they flipped town, would that have counted as verification? No. All this makes me doubt bozo because he is usually more careful with these details.

Chaqa's claim is unverifiable.

Only half-true, because Chaqa had said that he was at high risk of dying that night, which pretty much narrowed down the choices to dying with rivera or dying with brainbombadil. When he didn't die with rivera, he again heavily implied he would die with Tom. So not exactly verifiable, but basically he was caught.

xorxes could be verified D7.

Stating the obvious here.

Plus his defense of Hosuke's claim, which didn't really need defending because it was trivial to prove, while constantly attacking damo's, Percy's and my claim, which needed more time to prove themselves, was really awful.

Chaqa was not caught, because the scum would not NK Tom, and town would speculate, as I think you did, that the scum was keeping Tom alive to either get Chaqa mislynched or wait to use their 2 for 1 kill to win the game.

I expected Percy to have a better understanding of his own role, and I forgot that the RB was limited use.

Obviously I disagree that pushing damo, Percy, and Chaqa for their claims was "awful". The main point of the post you are talking about was that if all four of your were scum, we would not have time to give them all "more time to prove themselves", because we would likely lose by D5. I was not even considering the double vote, so I think we actually could have lost by D4.

[xorxes]

Besides my continued suspicion that claiming inno child on D2 was a total waste of the ability and therefore scummy, I think xorxes baiting us to debate whether xorxes is town or scum is also pretty scummy. Xorxes is confirmed town or scum tomorrow. If xorxes is scum, everything they are doing now is to make it more complicated to rally the lynch when they try to delay revealing.

Foodcoats is stuck with a read of me that he made after my N1 claim. Now it's N6 and nothing I have said or done in the meantime has apparently added or subtracted from that original read. It's hard to believe that in more than 500 posts from me he has found nothing to make him believe I'm town, or to solidify his initial scumlean.

Not to mention that doing something you consider suboptimal is not inherently scummy. And if you scumread me (incorrectly) this game the same way you scumread me (correctly) in that other game you mentioned, this means you can't distinguish town!xorxes from scum!xorxes. I always look scummy to you no matter what my alignment is.

If they are town, then we should be focused on figuring out who is scum.

This shows he has not read anything of what I have been posting tonight, or he just doesn't care. As if asking everyone what they think my alignmengt is was the only thing I've been doing, or as if that wasn't a valid way to get reactions from people in order to better read them.

Considering we are going to be at mylo, and since it appears people don't really agree that EP is logically the most probable to be scum, I would argue we reestablish the Bozo Doctrine. Survey everyone's top 3 scumreads and lynch the top candidate. Yes, scum will manipulate this, but they will also be forced to bus and/or be backed into a corner with indefensible reads. It gives us a rational basis on which to lynch. We need to get it right three times in a row, and I think that town's collective wisdom may be the best way to do that (at least for the first two... I suspect the last one could be much harder to break down this way).

Thoughts?

The best way to get something like this rolling is to start by giving your own list. I don't think I know what your current reads are, other than EP.

[bozotheclown]

After reviewing D4, I think there is a good chance Espresso is town and the goal of the dargorygel counterclaim was to get Espresso lynched after dargorygel. The three primary reasons are:
1. Chaqa was the first player to bring up the possibility of both being scum.
2. dargorygel claimed not long after Espresso's claim, he might have been waiting to see who the real tracker was before counterclaiming. If the goal was to try to clear Espresso, it would not have been as important to get his counterclaim in right away.
3. Espresso's DP claiming seemed to catch dargorygel off guard, even though Espresso started it during the night. If they were both scum I would expect dargorygel to be better prepared. It was dargorygel's response to the DP claiming that likely forced scum to counterclaim tracker (or claim 2 trackers).

[bozotheclown]

Oh look Vecna scumreads me just like he does every single game.

I love old fashioned nostalgic things. Ceefax, Angel Delight, Monster Munch, shell suits, Vecna scumreading me, Watney's Red Barrel, Crackerjack.... ah, the warm fuzzy memories of my youth.

Lover, Oracle, Divine Presence, okapi, Tracker?

An okapi is a bit monstrous, isn't it?

@Jamie: Do you acknowledge that this post could be pointed to as crumbing roles we now know belonged to the mafia?

[flash2015]

Ok, i think xorxes is town...and probably espresso too.

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox: [no response]
bozo: TOWN
Espresso: SCUM
flash: TOWN
foodcoats: SCUM
Jamiet: SCUM

[xorxes]

Ok, i think xorxes is town...and probably espresso too.

Why do you think Espresso is town?

(And, less interested, but why do you think I'm town?)

[flash2015]

So that leaves bozo, food, jamiet and bo in the scum pool for me. Hmmm....

[xorxes]

After reviewing D4, I think there is a good chance Espresso is town and the goal of the dargorygel counterclaim was to get Espresso lynched after dargorygel.

What is your explanation for damo not being roleblocked or killed N3? Do you think all the scum also interpreted "later in the game" as "late in the game" and were therefore not worried about tracker!damo, or do you think scum believed Vapor when he said he was going to visit flash?

[xorxes]

@flash, what is your explanation for scum roleblocking Vapor N3 and leaving damo alive and not roleblocked despite his claim?

[flash2015]

Ok, i think xorxes is town...and probably espresso too.

Why do you think Espresso is town?

(And, less interested, but why do you think I'm town?)

I am on the phone in the doctor's office so i will be brief and it is difficult for me to search. I never believed the SvS story. EP felt prepared. Darg seemed to be making it up on the fly EP appears to have been trying hard to find scum...even though i know you didn't disagee with his methods.

In you, i am not really seeing the scum motivation for this discussion...unless you had gone through very well rehearsed stories to try to throw shade on the wrong people. That just sounds too error prone.

[Foxcastle]

Bleh, sorry, weekend. Flash and foodcoats would be my next set of wagons. Espresso and Jamiet not off the hook, though.

[flash2015]

@flash, what is your explanation for scum roleblocking Vapor N3 and leaving damo alive and not roleblocked despite his claim?

Wasn't vapor more explicit with his tracker claim (i think he said he would visit me)? I am guessing they must have thought he really was the tracker instead of damo.

[bozotheclown]

After reviewing D4, I think there is a good chance Espresso is town and the goal of the dargorygel counterclaim was to get Espresso lynched after dargorygel.

What is your explanation for damo not being roleblocked or killed N3? Do you think all the scum also interpreted "later in the game" as "late in the game" and were therefore not worried about tracker!damo, or do you think scum believed Vapor when he said he was going to visit flash?

My guess is it was both.

[xorxes]

bo_sox: [no response]
bozo: TOWN
Espresso: SCUM
flash: TOWN
foodcoats: SCUM
Jamiet: SCUM

bo: He hasn't posted at all tonight. Unfortunately this is NAI. He is just not a team player when he is town, and that serves as good cover for when he is scum.

bozo: He gives a reasonable reason for his read. I suppose he could be town, but him suddenly townreading Espresso is suspect.

Espresso: I don't believe he can sincerely read me as scum, he is not that bad. It's impossible to extract concrete reasons for his reads from him. There are too many indications that the Tracker was one of scum's fake roles.

flash: I believe he is town based on dargo wanting to lynch him right after roleblocking Vapor. If we manage to lynch two scum and one of them is the human, we will be at 3-1 mylo D9 and it should be a no-lynch. I expect flash to be the N9 kill in that case.

foodcoats: Surprised that he still reads me as scum.

Jamiet: He claims to scumread me but his plans for D7 assume I'm town.

So my scumteam is EP/bozo/Jamiet, but I can't really say that I townread bo or food. I'm most certain about EP.

[TrPrado]

Night has ended please hold

[TrPrado]

The town gathered once again, but something was off about their meeting place this time. Clumps of fur were lying around in an unfamiliar pattern. That's when they realized they were standing inside the remains of something. Bones were sticking up out of the ground and two tusks near the front end. Everyone looked on in horror as another species has gone extinct... after already having been extinct.

XORXES has died. He was the WOOLLY MAMMOTH, the Innocent Child.

Day has begun, you may now post.

[EspressoPatronum]

RIP xorxes.

Foodcoats is the common thread in the reads ppl posted at EON. We can worry about sorting the other two once foodcoats flips.

##vote Foodcoats