Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Why didn't Worcej defend and advocate for his plan? It was better than mine.

[Jamiet99uk]

I assume Xorxes will not have to clear himself tomorrow.
If he is telling the truth it would make sense for him to be the NK.

If he survives and clears himself I will follow him and the other clears, as long as I'm not the wagon.

[Jamiet99uk]

Actually no. Perhaps scum would leave Xorxes alive if he's town, so he could (albeit with good intentions) ensure my mislynch tomorrow. Then scum wouldn't even need to push me that hard.

[Jamiet99uk]

So assuming Xorxes is alive and clear tomorrow, there must be THREE scum in a pool of only FIVE suspects:

bozotheclown
bo_sox48
EspressoPatronum
flash2015
foodcoats

If town stays focussed we can still do this.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am going to re-read all five.

[xorxes]

damo: claimed to avoid getting shot
Percy: claimed to avoid getting lynched
Chaqa: claimed to avoid getting lynched
xorxes: claimed in case he was janitored

There is only one role left that matches damo's claims, and it is unverifiable. Percy's claim can only be verified D6 if the roleblocker is gone.
Chaqa's claim is unverifiable.
xorxes could be verified D7.

Unless something changes, we have 2 mislynches left, so we could lose the game by D5.

I don't really know what to do with this post, so many mixed signals.

There is only one role left that matches damo's claims, and it is unverifiable.

False. But you might think this was true if you knew that the Tracker was not an option. I still can't believe the "connotation" bozo tried to pull about "later in the game" -> "late in the game". Even if there was such a connotation, you would not outright exclude the literal reading to say that there was only one role left for damo.

Percy's claim can only be verified D6 if the roleblocker is gone.

bozo made such a big deal about Percy being confused about N4 or N5, but now he is not aware that the roleblocker can't act when Percy's power is active. I can't really say if this is a real townslip or a well crafted one. Also, how exactly could Percy's role be verified? If he said he scanned a scum, we lynched them and they flipped scum, would that have counted as verification? No. If he said he scanned a town, we lynched them and they flipped town, would that have counted as verification? No. All this makes me doubt bozo because he is usually more careful with these details.

Chaqa's claim is unverifiable.

Only half-true, because Chaqa had said that he was at high risk of dying that night, which pretty much narrowed down the choices to dying with rivera or dying with brainbombadil. When he didn't die with rivera, he again heavily implied he would die with Tom. So not exactly verifiable, but basically he was caught.

xorxes could be verified D7.

Stating the obvious here.

Plus his defense of Hosuke's claim, which didn't really need defending because it was trivial to prove, while constantly attacking damo's, Percy's and my claim, which needed more time to prove themselves, was really awful.

[xorxes]

Shit wait is it LyLo tomorrow?

LyLo if there's a human, mylo otherwise, but we have to treat it as lylo.

In any case, not lynching is not an option for mylo when there are still clears left.

[xorxes]

I assume Xorxes will not have to clear himself tomorrow.

So do I, but I thought you were sumreading me?

[Jamiet99uk]

I assume Xorxes will not have to clear himself tomorrow.

So do I, but I thought you were sumreading me?

I am not sure now. Maybe I'm just really hoping you're town and can still help us win. Re-reading your actions just from the current phase, they do seem town-motivated.

[xorxes]

Unless I'm missing something, there are two roles left that match damo's claims.

There are, but you claimed one of them.

Jamiet makes the same assumption bozo made that damo could not be the Tracker.

This all makes perfect sense if the scumteam is EP-bozo-Jamiet.

I'm just scared that things are never this easy, but what other explanation is there?

[Jamiet99uk]

Unless I'm missing something, there are two roles left that match damo's claims.

There are, but you claimed one of them.

Jamiet makes the same assumption bozo made that damo could not be the Tracker.

This all makes perfect sense if the scumteam is EP-bozo-Jamiet.

I'm just scared that things are never this easy, but what other explanation is there?

You know what the other explanation is in terms of me making this assumption, because I already explained it to you in detail. Have you forgotten?

[xorxes]

I also believe that there's a good chance that Chaqa had me as his target, which explains why they chose to kill Vecna over me N1 (I know, how modest of me right? but I was sure I would be the kill if Vecna was scum, and one of us two if Vecna was town, which is why I claimed in case of Janitor). This would explain why bozo tried to corral me into voting for Chaqa because I had him as a scumread and was annoyed that I voted for emc instead. And Jamiet's warcry for all unclears to move to Chaqa when Chaqa was already a gonner. But this is just idle speculation, not meant to convince anyone of anything. I wouldn't count it as strong evidence.

[xorxes]

There are, but you claimed one of them.

Jamiet makes the same assumption bozo made that damo could not be the Tracker.

This all makes perfect sense if the scumteam is EP-bozo-Jamiet.

I'm just scared that things are never this easy, but what other explanation is there?

You know what the other explanation is in terms of me making this assumption, because I already explained it to you in detail. Have you forgotten?

The same one bozo gave, that you thought "later in the game" had a connotation of "late in the game". If you gave a different explanation, I have forgotten it, yes.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamiet makes the same assumption bozo made that damo could not be the Tracker.

This all makes perfect sense if the scumteam is EP-bozo-Jamiet.

I'm just scared that things are never this easy, but what other explanation is there?

You know what the other explanation is in terms of me making this assumption, because I already explained it to you in detail. Have you forgotten?

The same one bozo gave, that you thought "later in the game" had a connotation of "late in the game". If you gave a different explanation, I have forgotten it, yes.

No, that is the correct explanation, it's just weird you seemed to totally overlook it or not mention it in this analysis.

[xorxes]

You know what the other explanation is in terms of me making this assumption, because I already explained it to you in detail. Have you forgotten?

The same one bozo gave, that you thought "later in the game" had a connotation of "late in the game". If you gave a different explanation, I have forgotten it, yes.

No, that is the correct explanation, it's just weird you seemed to totally overlook it or not mention it in this analysis.

I had just discussed it a couple of posts before.

[xorxes]

It is also possible that the team is bo_sox/food/flash and that they are lurking their way to victory.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is also possible that the team is bo_sox/food/flash and that they are lurking their way to victory.

I am sure at least one of these is scum.

[xorxes]

It is also possible that the team is bo_sox/food/flash and that they are lurking their way to victory.

I am sure at least one of these is scum.

So I have finally convinced you that I'm town?

[xorxes]

So we have two options:

Team A: Chaqa, dargo, EP, bozo, Jamiet.
Team B: Chaqa, dargo, bo_sox, foodcoats, flash.

Team A didn't roleblock/kill damo N2 because they knew there was no Tracker, so there was no concern.

Team B roleblocked Vapor because they really were scared that Vapor would track flash.

The problem with option B is that dargo bussing flash looks really strange if the purpose of the roleblock was to save flash.

[foodcoats]

Besides my continued suspicion that claiming inno child on D2 was a total waste of the ability and therefore scummy, I think xorxes baiting us to debate whether xorxes is town or scum is also pretty scummy. Xorxes is confirmed town or scum tomorrow. If xorxes is scum, everything they are doing now is to make it more complicated to rally the lynch when they try to delay revealing. If they are town, then we should be focused on figuring out who is scum.

Considering we are going to be at mylo, and since it appears people don't really agree that EP is logically the most probable to be scum, I would argue we reestablish the Bozo Doctrine. Survey everyone's top 3 scumreads and lynch the top candidate. Yes, scum will manipulate this, but they will also be forced to bus and/or be backed into a corner with indefensible reads. It gives us a rational basis on which to lynch. We need to get it right three times in a row, and I think that town's collective wisdom may be the best way to do that (at least for the first two... I suspect the last one could be much harder to break down this way).

Thoughts?