Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

If xorxes is town, he has a lot of explaining to do with why his reads have been so off.

Some of my reads have been quite on point: damo, Percy, dargo. I scumread Chaqa for most of the game, I then townread him for his claim but I always stated the caveat that he should be lynched if he didn't die with Tom, so I wasn't terribly wrong there. Some of my reads have been weak (emc, Vapor, worcej). I won't apologize for wanting to lynch emc and worcej though. As for Vapor, I didn't end with a vote on him, and I thought there were reasons to doubt him.

Being right every time is more suspect than being right sometimes and wrong other times, especially when you don't give reasons for your reads that others can follow.

Not much to say until xorxes does/does not use inno child.

Noted. I will put you down as "refused".

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo:
Espresso: [refuses to answer]
flash:
foodcoats:
Jamiet: SCUM

The clears are not required to participate, but they may do so if they wish, for bragging purposes.

The survey ends some time before EON.

[EspressoPatronum]

If xorxes is town, he has a lot of explaining to do with why his reads have been so off.

Some of my reads have been quite on point: damo, Percy, dargo. I scumread Chaqa for most of the game, I then townread him for his claim but I always stated the caveat that he should be lynched if he didn't die with Tom, so I wasn't terribly wrong there. Some of my reads have been weak (emc, Vapor, worcej). I won't apologize for wanting to lynch emc and worcej though. As for Vapor, I didn't end with a vote on him, and I thought there were reasons to doubt him.

Being right every time is more suspect than being right sometimes and wrong other times, especially when you don't give reasons for your reads that others can follow.

Tbf to you, I'm mostly talking about your recent reads. I think your foodcoats read is wayyy off + I'm certain your read of worcej and me is wrong.

I don't blame you for EMC or Chaqa. I was fully on board with those ones, too.

I also agree with you that being right every time is suspicious. That's why foodcoats' voting record is scummy!

Not much to say until xorxes does/does not use inno child.

Noted. I will put you down as "refused".

Apologies - didn't see that part of your post. If you had asked me at any point before after like D2 and before D6, I would have said you were town. Now I think you're scum. Your stance on worcej was too skewed for my liking and you're really hammering down the SvS theory between me and darg.

So without any hedginess, I anticipate you flipping scum.

[EspressoPatronum]

Correction: foodcoats was not right on D5 and D6.... but it doesn't matter bcz his voting record is still sus.

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo:
Espresso: SCUM
flash:
foodcoats:
Jamiet: SCUM

The clears are not required to participate, but they may do so if they wish, for bragging purposes.

The survey ends some time before EON.

[xorxes]

Sorry worcej, now I wonder if xorxes is going to turn out to be scum.

Because I was just as convinced that worcej was scum as you were?

[xorxes]

Sorry worcej, now I wonder if xorxes is going to turn out to be scum.

If he doesn't activate his power at the beginning of Day 7, yeah, he should be the lynch tomorrow.

Stating that I will be the lynch if I don't activate is obvious, but do you have an actual read of me? If you had to make a bet, what would you bet, given all I have done this game so far?

[xorxes]

Like I said earlier, my money is 2on/1off the worcej wagon

But which two on, and which one off? Throwing numbers like that is saying next to nothing if you don't give a reason why you would think that.

The only one off-wagon besides yourself is bo_sox, and you have already stated you think I'm scum, so you are saying it's me, bo_sox and one of bozo/flash/Jamiet/food, correct? Why not say straight up that you think bo_sox is scum instead of saying 2on/1off? Why do you think bo_sox is scum?

[xorxes]

To what purpose?

If you think I'm town, it should be obvious: so I can get a better read of you.

If you think I'm scum, whatever purpose you may want to attribute to me. If I'm scum my obvious kill is Fox anyway, so your answer won't help me decide the NK.

Ok then. I think you're bluffing. I think you're scum. I think you decided to pick the role with the D7 activation to ensure you remained alive and could manipulate town for the majority of the game and help your scumteam win.

So you think I manipulated town into not lynching damo and Percy so I would have to kill them instead of killing the clears? If we had lynched damo and Percy, we would have no clears by now. Wouldn't scum be much happier with two additional unclears where they could hide? And why would I be bluffing, just to have some fun before I die tomorrow?

[xorxes]

Correction: foodcoats was not right on D5 and D6.... but it doesn't matter bcz his voting record is still sus.

We know he was right on D2 and D4 and wrong on D1 and D6. Only you and scum know if he was right or wrong on D3 and D5. For him to be mostly right you have to be scum, otherwise he was mostly wrong.

[xorxes]

@bozo, do you think I will be proven town or scum tomorrow, and why?

[Jamiet99uk]

If you think I'm town, it should be obvious: so I can get a better read of you.

If you think I'm scum, whatever purpose you may want to attribute to me. If I'm scum my obvious kill is Fox anyway, so your answer won't help me decide the NK.

Ok then. I think you're bluffing. I think you're scum. I think you decided to pick the role with the D7 activation to ensure you remained alive and could manipulate town for the majority of the game and help your scumteam win.

So you think I manipulated town into not lynching damo and Percy so I would have to kill them instead of killing the clears? If we had lynched damo and Percy, we would have no clears by now. Wouldn't scum be much happier with two additional unclears where they could hide? And why would I be bluffing, just to have some fun before I die tomorrow?

Why would you stop bluffing now after keeping it up for so long? I presume you think this will glean some information for your team.

[xorxes]

Ok then. I think you're bluffing. I think you're scum. I think you decided to pick the role with the D7 activation to ensure you remained alive and could manipulate town for the majority of the game and help your scumteam win.

So you think I manipulated town into not lynching damo and Percy so I would have to kill them instead of killing the clears? If we had lynched damo and Percy, we would have no clears by now. Wouldn't scum be much happier with two additional unclears where they could hide? And why would I be bluffing, just to have some fun before I die tomorrow?

Why would you stop bluffing now after keeping it up for so long? I presume you think this will glean some information for your team.

You didn't answer the first part of the question, the more interesting one.

And of course I want to glean some information for my team. The information I get is public though. Do you think it will be more useful to town or to scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

Xorxes - I don't think you ever had to "manipulate town into not lynching Damo" because Damo was never in real danger of being lynched in three days he lived through.

[flash2015]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo:
Espresso: SCUM
flash:
foodcoats:
Jamiet: SCUM

The clears are not required to participate, but they may do so if they wish, for bragging purposes.

The survey ends some time before EON.

I am not sure what the point of this question is now. Isn't it kind of moot? Why would I spend time on it if we will know one way or the other in < 24 hours anyway? At best it will probably show how bad I am at this game.

[xorxes]

Xorxes - I don't think you ever had to "manipulate town into not lynching Damo" because Damo was never in real danger of being lynched in three days he lived through.

He was, D1 he and Percy were the two leading wagons until I intervened, and there were several people scumreading him up until he was killed, and who would have jumped at the first opportunity to lynch him. For example bozo. He kept scumreading me for defending them.

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo:
Espresso: SCUM
flash:
foodcoats:
Jamiet: SCUM

The clears are not required to participate, but they may do so if they wish, for bragging purposes.

The survey ends some time before EON.

I am not sure what the point of this question is now. Isn't it kind of moot? Why would I spend time on it if we will know one way or the other in < 24 hours anyway? At best it will probably show how bad I am at this game.

It would have taken you less time to respond than what it took you to complain that it would take you too much time to respond.

[Jamiet99uk]

Xorxes - I don't think you ever had to "manipulate town into not lynching Damo" because Damo was never in real danger of being lynched in three days he lived through.

He was, D1 he and Percy were the two leading wagons until I intervened, and there were several people scumreading him up until he was killed, and who would have jumped at the first opportunity to lynch him. For example bozo. He kept scumreading me for defending them.

This is an interesting lie, or at least, an interesting mis-remembering of events.

The most votes Damo's wagon ever had on D1 was two votes. I remember this because it was my very own vote that briefly put Damo on two votes.

At the moment I voted Damo on D1, Percy only had one vote on him, there were also two votes on Brainbomb, whilst EMC was way out in the lead on SIX votes.

Everyone may look here if they don't believe me:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_st ... =day&num=1

To claim that at any point on D1, "Damo and Percy were the two leading wagons", and that Xorxes intervened to save them, is demonstrably false.

[xorxes]

Is xorxes town or scum?

bo_sox:
bozo:
Espresso: SCUM
flash: [won't respond so he doesn't look bad]
foodcoats:
Jamiet: SCUM

[xorxes]

He was, D1 he and Percy were the two leading wagons until I intervened, and there were several people scumreading him up until he was killed, and who would have jumped at the first opportunity to lynch him. For example bozo. He kept scumreading me for defending them.

This is an interesting lie, or at least, an interesting mis-remembering of events.

You'r right, it was D2, not D1.

Percy(4)
damo(3)
Hosuke(2)

Fox was pushing for a lynch of Percy or damo, and then I voted for Hosuke and started to push for a reveal of the second mason, because it seemed obvious to me that If Hosuke was mason then Fox had to be his partner, and if Hosuke was scum, Fox had to be scum as well (possibly intending to claim 2nd mason if it was safe).

To claim that at any point on D1, "Damo and Percy were the two leading wagons", and that Xorxes intervened to save them, is demonstrably false.

Right, it was D2.