Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

Every town on the worcej wagon should be asking themselves the following:
1. Why has the wagon been so stable?
2. Why have people been passive today?

The answer to both questions is that worcej is town. The scum feel they don't have to work very hard to get him lynched.

That said I also very much agree with this post by EP. I am reminded of the Vapor wagon, although this is less dramatic and we're seeing movement now.

The answer to both questions is because all the other wagons before bozo have been scum.

So you mean the scumteam is worcej, EP and Jamie and they just piff-paffed their way onto bozo to see if they can?

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello Worcej.
I'm not scum.

Why did you think sacrificing Percy was a price worth paying to potentially (falsely) expose me?

I’ve addressed this already - the Oracle is an excellent role for scum to hide behind because the explanation on why you will not be NK’ed is a perfect spot to hide the Human.

And you were willing to sacrifice town's single use RoleCop to find out if I was lying about being Oracle?

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey Jamie,

Will you join me on food? If not, I will join you on someone who isn't worcej or me.

I don't scumread Foodcoats.

I scumread Xorxes but he's a strange choice for today because he can either clear himself or be exposed as scum very soon.

I'm inclined to scumlean Bozotheclown. Would you vote for him?

Jamie, why do you scumlean bozo? I have tried to find the dirt on bozo, but... basically my best reason to scumread bozo would be that his/her iso is too clean, and I don't think town presents so cleanly after 6 days of play.

Bozo has done very little since his D1 advocating for a massclaim. I have now realised that a massclaim wasn't actually a very good town plan as the scum would just claim from their fake roles (apart from Darg, for some reason). Bozo has really faded into the background and other than my initial D1 townlean I can actually find no reason to justify townreading him. So my instinct says he could be scum just trying to appear somewhat useless and uninvolved.

[Jamiet99uk]

Call me selfish but part of my strategy today is to ensure I'm not today's lynch. I want to put my power to good use while I still can.

[foodcoats]

Call me selfish but part of my strategy today is to ensure I'm not today's lynch. I want to put my power to good use while I still can.

Did you change your mind about worcej?

[xorxes]

That said I also very much agree with this post by EP. I am reminded of the Vapor wagon, although this is less dramatic and we're seeing movement now.

The answer to both questions is because all the other wagons before bozo have been scum.

So you mean the scumteam is worcej, EP and Jamie and they just piff-paffed their way onto bozo to see if they can?

That's what I've been saying for the last two days, yes.

Lynching Jamiet today makes zero sense, and both worcej and EP pushing for that when they know it won't happen is telling.

[xorxes]

Call me selfish but part of my strategy today is to ensure I'm not today's lynch. I want to put my power to good use while I still can.

There's no chance of you being lynched today. It should be worcej or EP. You were never in any danger.

[bozotheclown]

So you think bozo would be a better lynch currently? I think I am following you logic, but I am struggling to find bozo inherently scummy - I find him mostly just bad.

Remembering the last game bozo was scum though, he had a tendency to avoid being on the wagons and played the distance game. However he is not doing that this game. In fact, he has mostly been voting on the top wagon, except for D2 when he was on Chaqa (who lost by only 1 vote).

bozo really hasn't left much of an impression on me with what he has said other than his bad ideas. It feels like there is a lot of fluff or a decent bit of bad questions. I do find it funny that upon reading recently, even he pointed out Jamie is setting up Percy to die (said this on N5) and now is voting me because I am bussing Jamie...

This is interesting, since worcej is bringing up the last time I was mafia to apparently say why he does not think I am mafia this game, but at the same time fabricating facts to do so. Anyone can review M45 and see that the part about me avoiding the wagons in that game is not true. Maybe that was the point, for someone to point out that he was wrong and therefore I am really doing the same thing I did as scum?

The error is I forgot you were scum in M45. I was referring to the game me, Bo_, and ND lost to you and rdr. That was 43 or something.

You and rdr voted each other a lot and avoided wagons most of that game.

And also, my read you are reacting to is I think you are bad town, not scum atm...

The game you are referring to is M40. So you clearly remember the details of M40, but forgot about M45, even though you survived until the end?

[bozotheclown]

I have not seen anything today to cause doubt that worcej, Jamie, and Espresso are the scum team bussing each other. worcej and Jamie talking about different plans for Percy's scan appear to be just for show, as Percy was sure to get NKed if he was town.

To be clear, do you think my potential scum game is that good to pull that off?

I think I am a good 3rd party player, but I blow at scum because I am bad at fabricating a narrative and reads.

Yes, I think you are capable of that.

[worcej]

I’ve done what I can. My meeting is starting.

Good luck guys. My meeting is starting and I will miss the phase. I look forward to the GT to see if I am right.

Scum:
1. Jamie, one in food/Flash, not sure on the 3rd but will lean bo for shitzngigglez.
or
2. Jamie, xorxes, EP (possibly) but most likely one in food/flash

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh look, a wild Bozo appears.

Bozo, who are your scumreads other than Worcej, and why?

[bozotheclown]

@Worcej:

You haven't helped your cause by self voting, end hammering, and generally being a huge crybaby.

Let me ask you a hopefully productive question:

Do you think EP is scum?
And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to?

Woah now, I don't think I have cried in the slightest this day. Spam/Troll, yes for sure. But cry? Nah.

Do I think EP is scum? No I do not. The only way I think he is scum is if xorxes turns out to be scum. I'll get into this more down below.

And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to? Woah there kiddo, I have had my butt on the chopping block possibly more than EP. I think that 'support' is dumped right into voting for me atm.

I have not seen anything today to cause doubt that worcej, Jamie, and Espresso are the scum team bussing each other. worcej and Jamie talking about different plans for Percy's scan appear to be just for show, as Percy was sure to get NKed if he was town.

Your right with 2/3 as a possible scum team in my thoughts now, but it is hyper dependent on one thing...

So can I ask the thought provoking question - what are you guys going to think/do next once I flip town?

If we mislynch today, we will be at lylo/mylo tomorrow, so smug is the wrong attitude for town!worcej to have at this point. If you are town, what do you think happened Day 3:

Vapor (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo Hosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vapor
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Why were three or four scum voting for Vapor? Besides Jamiet, who do you think are the other two scum? Are you so certain Jamiet is scum that you are willing to risk wasting his Oracle power if you are wrong?

Here is my meat, and a response for you: everything on my thought process depends on xorxes flip. And I think ultimately that if you xorxes flips scum, the remaining teammates are EP and Jamie.

Now that I am putting effort into this read of xorxes, these are my factors why I am inclined to think he is scum at this point and that EP and Jamie are dependent on this situation:

1. If xorxes is scum, then the gamble on double scum tracker claims makes sense because they are trying to generate a clear for later on D4. They know xorxes is facing potential death on D7, so they need another late game guy to make it and making a semi-clear to hopefully ride it out is the most plausible. The thing they probably didn't expect was the push and eventual lynch of Chaqa.
2. xorxes defended and tried to protect Chaqa on D4 pretty hard - this was seen in his bad math, statements like 'I want Tom to live longer, thus Chaqa shouldn't be lynched' (which made no sense), countering bozo's arguments, and kept fighting the scum reads people put on him during the end as he defended chaqa.
3. xorxes also fits scum at this point because the push he made on the masons to reveal themselves (and create clears) which allows the scum to keep a pool of suspects around (such as myself, food, flash, bo, and bozo) around to spread doubt around about.
4. If you look at xorxes most of this game, he hasn't really been driving anything. Using analogy, he has been that more annoying 'backseat driver' that pokes at you about how you're driving instead of telling you where to go. He asks questions, pokes at the responses, dismisses some pushes, but what case has he built himself? I can't seem to find much in this game.

So yeah, there you go. I choose scum!xorxes over town!xorxes. It fits the mold pretty well. And I think he's desperate to set a mislynch up right now because he knows he is fucked on D7.

And btw, I am more firm in my read of Jamie as scum than EP. I am just stating it makes sense that EP could be scum in this scenario. I want Jamie's flip first before I would lynch EP.

Also, this may be my last post for the game - my morning at work will be a little busier than normal and then I have my meeting right @ EOD.

If you are town, at least we will know if you are correct about xorxes D7.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Worcej:

You haven't helped your cause by self voting, end hammering, and generally being a huge crybaby.

Let me ask you a hopefully productive question:

Do you think EP is scum?
And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to?

Woah now, I don't think I have cried in the slightest this day. Spam/Troll, yes for sure. But cry? Nah.

Do I think EP is scum? No I do not. The only way I think he is scum is if xorxes turns out to be scum. I'll get into this more down below.

And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to? Woah there kiddo, I have had my butt on the chopping block possibly more than EP. I think that 'support' is dumped right into voting for me atm.

I have not seen anything today to cause doubt that worcej, Jamie, and Espresso are the scum team bussing each other. worcej and Jamie talking about different plans for Percy's scan appear to be just for show, as Percy was sure to get NKed if he was town.

Your right with 2/3 as a possible scum team in my thoughts now, but it is hyper dependent on one thing...

If we mislynch today, we will be at lylo/mylo tomorrow, so smug is the wrong attitude for town!worcej to have at this point. If you are town, what do you think happened Day 3:

Vapor (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo Hosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vapor
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Why were three or four scum voting for Vapor? Besides Jamiet, who do you think are the other two scum? Are you so certain Jamiet is scum that you are willing to risk wasting his Oracle power if you are wrong?

Here is my meat, and a response for you: everything on my thought process depends on xorxes flip. And I think ultimately that if you xorxes flips scum, the remaining teammates are EP and Jamie.

Now that I am putting effort into this read of xorxes, these are my factors why I am inclined to think he is scum at this point and that EP and Jamie are dependent on this situation:

1. If xorxes is scum, then the gamble on double scum tracker claims makes sense because they are trying to generate a clear for later on D4. They know xorxes is facing potential death on D7, so they need another late game guy to make it and making a semi-clear to hopefully ride it out is the most plausible. The thing they probably didn't expect was the push and eventual lynch of Chaqa.
2. xorxes defended and tried to protect Chaqa on D4 pretty hard - this was seen in his bad math, statements like 'I want Tom to live longer, thus Chaqa shouldn't be lynched' (which made no sense), countering bozo's arguments, and kept fighting the scum reads people put on him during the end as he defended chaqa.
3. xorxes also fits scum at this point because the push he made on the masons to reveal themselves (and create clears) which allows the scum to keep a pool of suspects around (such as myself, food, flash, bo, and bozo) around to spread doubt around about.
4. If you look at xorxes most of this game, he hasn't really been driving anything. Using analogy, he has been that more annoying 'backseat driver' that pokes at you about how you're driving instead of telling you where to go. He asks questions, pokes at the responses, dismisses some pushes, but what case has he built himself? I can't seem to find much in this game.

So yeah, there you go. I choose scum!xorxes over town!xorxes. It fits the mold pretty well. And I think he's desperate to set a mislynch up right now because he knows he is fucked on D7.

And btw, I am more firm in my read of Jamie as scum than EP. I am just stating it makes sense that EP could be scum in this scenario. I want Jamie's flip first before I would lynch EP.

Also, this may be my last post for the game - my morning at work will be a little busier than normal and then I have my meeting right @ EOD.

If you are town, at least we will know if you are correct about xorxes D7.

Could you not pollute the thread like this? Do you not have a backspace or delete key?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Xorxes what is your read on me right now?

[xorxes]

I’ve done what I can. My meeting is starting.

Good luck guys. My meeting is starting and I will miss the phase. I look forward to the GT to see if I am right.

Scum:
1. Jamie, one in food/Flash, not sure on the 3rd but will lean bo for shitzngigglez.
or
2. Jamie, xorxes, EP (possibly) but most likely one in food/flash

That's basically everyone except bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE ESPRESSO PATRONUM

His flip from solidly scumreading me, to townreading me for poorly explained "scientific" meta reasons, and then suddenly looking to form a voting pact with me on anyone but Worcej smacks of nervous scum trying to save his team-mate.

[xorxes]

@Xorxes what is your read on me right now?

Scum, but I don't want to lynch you today in case I'm wrong.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Xorxes what is your read on me right now?

Scum, but I don't want to lynch you today in case I'm wrong.

I can't believe both town!worcej and town!xorxes would be so committed to such a mistaken read...

[EspressoPatronum]

Et tu, Brute?

[bozotheclown]

Oh look, a wild Bozo appears.

Bozo, who are your scumreads other than Worcej, and why?

Obviously you and Espresso, and I have already explained why.